Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
this will kill the First Class on this route as the FRA based 346ers have only a 2-class config, but nevertheless a smart move as demand to MCO/MIA/Florida especially in winther is very high!
TISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 306 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3771 times:
I have no knowledge of this so excuse my ignorance. Now on to the question...
Is Florida that hot of a tourist destination for Germany? What other cities are popular destinations for Germany (non biz travel)?
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
Increasing capacity on this route is a good thing in order to keep the competition with Air Berlin!
After the LH expansion at DUS increasing the capacity to Florida is just a logic step to attack the already hardly struggeling Air Berlin
CVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 5): Is Florida that hot of a tourist destination for Germany? What other cities are popular destinations for Germany (non biz travel)?
Southwestern Florida is also rather popular, as LTU/Air Berlin usually has several weekly flights to Germany from Ft. Myers (RSW).
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15727 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 4): this will kill the First Class on this route as the FRA based 346ers have only a 2-class config, but nevertheless a smart move as demand to MCO/MIA/Florida especially in winther is very high!
I think the reality is there is no F demand to MCO, and a huge back cabin is more important
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3468 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3): Very interesting development, especially taking into account that MCO is usually unfairly bashed as a low yielding destination.
It just supports the theory.
Some (the majority?) of A340-600s in Lufthansa has no First Class cabin, and is configured in a high density configuration, better suited to a market like Orlando with little premium demand. It also helps keep F seats consistent to Florida, because they are removing 8 F seats from Orlando and adding 8 F seats to Miami.
If I'm not mistaken - and I might be - the FRA-based A340-600s are the ones with no F, while the Munich-based A340-600s do have an F cabin.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
Quoting SQ325 (Reply 6): After the LH expansion at DUS increasing the capacity to Florida is just a logic step to attack the already hardly struggeling Air Berlin
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1437 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
But they recently increased Fort Meyers and they fly to MIA.
A lot of german tourists travel around FL and don' t just stay at one place.
LTU served MCO untill LH came in I think.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): If I'm not mistaken - and I might be - the FRA-based A340-600s are the ones with no F, while the Munich-based A340-600s do have an F cabin.
Current destinations:
from MUC: JFK, ORD, LAX, SFO, DEL, PVG, CLT, PEK (all flights with F-Class)
from FRA: DEN, BOS, YVR, YYZ, KIX, ICN, TLV (all flights without F-Class)
Planned destinations winter 08/09:
from MUC: JFK, LAX, SFO, DEL, HKG, SIN, PVG (all flights with F-Class)
from FRA: MCO, DEN, KIX, ICN, CPT (without F-Class), ORD (with F-Class)
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
Anyone have the arrival and departure times and what runway they use?
AirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3): Very interesting development, especially taking into account that MCO is usually unfairly bashed as a low yielding destination.
LH setting the stage in MCO!
Rgs,
Classifying a city as a low yielding destination isn't bashing it. Just reality. The demand for F seats to certain destinations is significantly less than the demand for Y seats and as such the airlines have to allocate seats accordingly. MCO is a perfect example of this.
jamaica...no problem.
25 Lufthansa411: In may not just be a larger demand in the back, but a larger "middle range" demand. In other words, LH 343's are configured 8-48-165. The 2 Class 346'
26 BestWestern: The C cabin on the 346 is huge - Flew Business class from KIX to FRA last year on the LH 346, and the cabin went on for ever... Downstairs toilets in
27 DTWAGENT: From a travel agent point of view. Yes Germany and any other Europe country is big in the MCO/FLL/MIA areas. That is because of the many cruise line c
28 MrBrightSide: don't know why... but flying A346 is by far the most comfortable experience in long haul flying... I am flying on any metal that is known to *A, and
29 MAH4546: What upgrade? They are doing this so that they have more economy seats on the Orlando route, which has really struggled to fill the premium cabin.
30 MCOGVADCA: you're operating under the assumption that DTW's definition of upgrade is based solely on premium seats. Some of us would consider the increase in to
31 CitrusCritter: And remember that C class, where companies like Siemens (which has a large operation in Orlando) are likely to book their employees, is enlarged in t
32 Clipper136: If the idea was to limit Business Class seats and increase Economy...wouldn't it be more prudent to use a 2 class A343.?? (44C 222Y) 8F and 48C to 66C
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