Hidden deep in this report about a group of leaders from the N.O area going to Panama to expand the relationship between the nation and the Port of New Orleans is a small blurb that the group will also visit with COPA in an effort to have the carrier start a flight from PTY to MSY.
My question is, could the route be a viable one with the E90's?
EA, I believe, was the last carrier to operate a MSY-PTY nonstop, which took place in early 80's with, I believe, 727-100 equipment. The flight continued onto several cities in South America after the PTY stop.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
Quoting CM767 (Reply 1): But I do not believe that MSY has recovered enough to attract traffic from Latin America
That is a common misconception, even among people in the USA. New Orleans, business wise and port wise, for the most part, is to pre-K status. Conventions are on the upswing as well. That's why I don't get the huge remaining void in air service. The flying demographic is essentially unchanged.
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2): That is a common misconception, even among people in the USA. New Orleans, business wise and port wise, for the most part, is to pre-K status. Conventions are on the upswing as well. That's why I don't get the huge remaining void in air service. The flying demographic is essentially unchanged.
Some think the business climate in New Orleans is better than it was before the storm. The city is seeing many new small and mid-sized companies take shop in the area. Of course, none of this makes the news around the country. But I have a good friend in commercial real estate in New Orleans so he keeps me in the loop, and the news is generally very good.
Also...and something which the census does not take into account and is likely not widely known....there has been a huge influx in people from Latin America who have settled in the city to take advantage of the construction work which will be going on for the next decade. Many of these people are settling down in the area. Mexico, for example, just reopened its consulate due to the new influx of Mexican residents.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 5152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3088 times:
The success of the hypothetical CM PTY-MSY would be sustained in healthy connections from Central and South America through PTY. For instance, CM PTY-MCO is getting excellent records nowadays and CM PTY-IAD passed from 5x weekly to 7x weekly.
MSY was an important gateway to the US bound several years ago for most passengers originated in Central America, regarding the existence of direct and non-stop services linking New Orleans with [Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica and Panama].
The disadvantage is that CO has been supposedly capturing the market-share between MSY and Latin America through IAH lately.
TA MSY-SAP was the last scheduled service from Central America as long as they withdrew the route after the Hurricane Katrina.
Correct. CM flies to Guadalajara, Mexico with E90 equipment which is farther than PTY-MSY.
PTY-GDL: 1547 nm **
PTY-MSY: 1392 nm **
** According to the Great Circle Mapper. Distances have been measured purely as straight line. This information may not be accurate and is not valid for flight planning.
Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter): EA, I believe, was the last carrier to operate a MSY-PTY nonstop, which took place in early 80's with, I believe, 727-100 equipment. The flight continued onto several cities in South America after the PTY stop.
Probably, you were referring to Braniff International instead.
As far as I remember, Eastern Air Lines offered MIA-PTY exclusively.
Snaiks From Panama, joined Mar 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2821 times:
as it has been discussed in earlier posts i think a PTY-SPS-MSY or PTY-TGU-MSY would be more proffitable, as it is said that New Orleans is the third largest city of Honduras. It could also work if it was shared with CO and have connections in IAH, that would offer the passengers different options while flying into NOLA.
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2690 times:
I don't know if CO would be too happy about a CM stop in Honduras.....ALOT of their MSY-IAH traffic is CentAm bound...especially to SAP and TGU. In fact if I am not mistaken their SAP flight number originates and terminates in MSY.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
As much as I would like to see CM in MSY, I'm quite aware that CM's PTY hub can't sustain a daily E190 flight to MSY rightnow and in the near future (until 2010).
My guess is that if people in New Orleans and MSY wants CM, they'll make concessions and CM most likely could start a thrice-weekly E190 PTY-MSY-PTY, maybe w/ an extra frequency Dec-Jan.
CM policy rightnow is to avoid stops on their flights to the U.S.; flying via SAP, which may well be a gold-mine, doesn't go with CM current airline style.