Moderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 459 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12678 times:
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The much awaited 2008 Farnborough International Airshow is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run 3 A.net Official threads on the major LoI / MoU / Order announcements made by Airbus, Boeing and other Manufacturers.
You can find the official 2008 Farnborough International details at the following link
This thread is for announcements from other Manufacturers in relation to orders, these include but are not limited to Bombardier, Embraer, ATR and Sukhoi etc below are links to the Homepage of each of the relevent OEMS.
Additionally, we realise that many Military Contracts may be announced. We ask that those be posted in our Military Aviation & Space Forum as a lot of Military activity takes place at this event.
The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.
We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by say a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 Commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on the relevent carrier and order, without overwhelming the official threads.
In this case if Bombardier were to progress with the CSeries it certainly warrants it's own thread
Some Engine orders and developments may suit that Forum as we will not be running an Engine Order thread and ask that the membership
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ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12679 times:
Russia's Sukhoi will announce 30 orders for its Superjet 100 regional aircraft at the Farnborough air show. The orders will be unveiled at a news conference on Tuesday.
A progressive move by Bombardier and it'll be of note to see how they go in the segment they target, interesting also to see who else they have lined up as potential launch customers. Lufthansa as a cornerstone commitment is a good start.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11138 times:
Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 3): Will these be classified as regional jet? They are five abreast and Bombardier has never related them as being regional jets !!
I don't consider this, or Embraers' 170/190 series a Regional Jet. These are purpose built people haulers vs having Bizjet heritage.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3594 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10771 times:
Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 3): Will these be classified as regional jet? They are five abreast and Bombardier has never related them as being regional jets !!
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 5):
I don't consider this, or Embraers' 170/190 series a Regional Jet
Well, I see your point, but I will stick to the rules set by the moderators:
Quoting Moderators (Thread starter): This thread is for announcements from other Manufacturers in relation to orders, these include but are not limited to Bombardier, Embraer, ATR and Sukhoi etc
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10684 times:
Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6): Well, I see your point, but I will stick to the rules set by the moderators:
Not criticizing the moderators or yourself.
I've seen the CRJ and Embraer 35 to 70 seaters referred to as regional jets in the US market for several years. They are derivatives of business jets, morphed into mini airliners, and so were not designed from the beginning for what they do, and it shows.
The newer Ejets and the C series have been designed from the start to be airline equipment. For that reason I think the regional jet moniker is miss-leading.
I'm not alluding to or suggesting anything negative with the thread name or it's purpose. Segregating the subject into specific threads will keep the subject focused. Seems a good idea to me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10473 times:
Maybe the moderators should split the threads a little more. One for narrow-body orders, which would cover the EJets and C Series, as well as A & B narrowbodies. Even within A&B, the narrowbody and widebody businesses are very distinct, with the dollar value being heavily weighted with widebodies. Then for Regional Aircraft, which would include the traditional Barbie Jet (CRJs) and JungleJets (ERJs), as well as the turboprops like the Q Series.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10445 times:
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7):
The newer Ejets and the C series have been designed from the start to be airline equipment. For that reason I think the regional jet moniker is miss-leading.
The trouble with segmenting as you suggest is that the CR7 and the E70 are pretty much direct competitors, and you suggest splitting them up on account of their heritage.
Should the 73G (based on a 60s design, albeit with a lot of changes) and the 32x (based on, and largely still, an 80s design) be similarly segmented?
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
TylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10284 times:
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7): The newer Ejets and the C series have been designed from the start to be airline equipment
While the EJets were being designed and initially marketed they were called regional jets by Embraer as well. It wasn't until years later they started trying to remove the moniker.
Bomardier is now calling all their airline offerings Commercial Aircraft if there website is any clue....
Other way around for Embraer. The ERJs were always intended for airlines. The Legacy 600 is a modified ERJ. In fact, it only entered service a few years ago.
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SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10040 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 12): Other way around for Embraer. The ERJs were always intended for airlines. The Legacy 600 is a modified ERJ. In fact, it only entered service a few years ago.
Good point, yet it is less roomy than the bizjet based CRJ. The new E and C jets offer range, performance, and comfort beyond the "regional jets" as well. Just my opinion.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): The trouble with segmenting as you suggest is that the CR7 and the E70 are pretty much direct competitors, and you suggest splitting them up on account of their heritage.
Should the 73G (based on a 60s design, albeit with a lot of changes) and the 32x (based on, and largely still, an 80s design) be similarly segmented?
My point is, that the CRJ is a stretch and modification of a non-airline design, and the newer C and E equipment were designed from the beginning as airline equipment.
In the case of the 737 and A320, they were purpose built, not modified into their present day role for air carriers.
Were the 737 the same barrel section and design as the B52 or KC135 I could see the argument.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
Tys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9804 times:
Quoting ENU (Reply 1): Russia's Sukhoi will announce 30 orders for its Superjet 100 regional aircraft at the Farnborough air show. The orders will be unveiled at a news conference on Tuesday.
any idea who might have made this order? I would like to see a western carrier order, but I doubt that will happen, especially with the C-Series getting launched
Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
Not an order, but some related news:
Quote: French-Italian regional turboprop manufacturer Avions de Transport Régional (ATR) is considering a new aircraft to complement its 46/50 passenger ATR 42 and 68/74-seat ATR 72 regional turboprop aircraft. CEO Stéphane Mayer confirmed that the airframer is studying a larger turboprop, probably to seat between 90 and 100 seats, and options including a two- or three-member family. “A stretch [of today’s ATR 72] is not a solution,” he said.
The company is “contemplating a larger, new-generation aircraft with the same capabilities as the new ATR 72-600 with lower emissions, [better] comfort, [more] concern for the environment and [better] cost-effectiveness, compared to similar-range turboprops and jets,” Mayer told AIN. “This could be in the 70- to 90-seat range or even up to 98 or 99.”
The new ATR family–two or three aircraft depending on the market–must represent a “real breakthrough” in technology and cost to the customer, Mayer added. The fuel bill is growing, he said, even for ATRs, but turboprops remain the most economic aircraft. “The big question is how the planet can afford air transport,” said Mayer. He could offer no explicit information about a potential engine, cost or a time frame, however.
“The main question is whether the 50-seater is still viable,” he said, alluding to the clear downward trend for turboprops of 50 seats and under that has taken hold.
More competition for the RJ's and especially the Dash 8-Q400!
ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6616 times:
Quoting ENU (Reply 17): Can we expect any order for Embraer?
Reuters:
"Brazil's Embraer unveiled orders for 22 of its 190 aircraft and options on 20 more: Aeromexico orders 12 190 aircraft and takes 15 options; Saudi low-cost carrier orders five 190 aircraft; and Niki Lauda's Niki orders five 190 aircraft with five options."
From Russia:
"Russia may launch a joint venture with China to continue the development of a new passenger airliner, MS-21, the head of a Russian state-run aviation corporation said on Monday.
"We will come to a decision with Chinese manufacturers next year on the possibility of setting up a joint venture to design a new mid-range passenger aircraft, MS-21," Alexei Fyodorov, the CEO of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, said at the Farnborough-2008 air show in Britain. "
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6441 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6265 times:
Dont Forget ATR
Speaking at a press conference today, ATR chief executive Stephane Mayer revealed orders for single ATR 42-500s from scheduled carrier Air Saint Pierre – based on the French overseas territory of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon - and Italian coast guard Capitania del Porto. He also announced an order for two ATR 72-500s from an undisclosed customer.
Af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2578 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
Could NW be ordering the C Series or E190/195 as a DC-9 replacement?
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5752 times:
Is MHI at Farnborough? Do they have any sort of conferences scheduled?
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Tys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 21): Could NW be ordering the C Series or E190/195 as a DC-9 replacement?
Too close to the merger, I think you'll see NW/DL waiting till everything passes to even think about placing an order
Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
25 ENU: I doubt if there is room for a new type in this segment, but... Source: http://www.russiatoday.ru/business/news/27520
26 ENU: Reuters: Russia's Sukhoi said on Tuesday it had signed a deal to sell 24 Superjet regional planes to Avia Leasing. They announced around 30 orders inc
27 Ty134A: any idea sa to who this "non-russian" could be, maybe Malev??? Ideas welcome!
28 SIBILLE: Could be Icelandair or Island Air (not sure about traduction from Russian to English). Also talking about a greek airlines but not Olympic.....
29 Columba: What means in talk with AF and LH ? I remember the statements of Sukhoi that they are in talks with LH and what did they buy EJets and CSeries. LH an
30 PanAm_DC10: Is the following a new accord to buy the SuperJet by a new customer? Sukhoi Signs $630 Million SuperJet Accord With Leasing Group By Lyubov Pronina Ju
32 ENU: Yes. It's on behalf of UTAir I understand.
33 Viscount724: That's not correct for the Embraers. The E-135/140/145 RJs came first. They're a development of the E-120 Brasilia turboprop commuter aircraft, with
34 ENU: A major Tu-204 order: Antonov launches stretch variant of delayed An-148: Source: http://www.ainonline.com/news/single...stretch-variant-of-delayed-an
35 ENU: "Superjet International said on Wednesday it had secured orders for the sale of 25 Superjet 100 medium-haul passenger airliners with an Swiss leasing
37 Addd: See Fifghtgloba newsfash on SSJ orders below. The "undisclosed Western client" is rumoured to be Icelandair. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...st
39 KrisYYZ: Malev to replace CRJs and F-70s with Q400s!! Malev did announce earlier this year that they are looking for some turboprops, but I never expected them
40 Columba: I guess that will be the SAS aircraft ??
41 WA707atMSP: I agree. I think DL will probably wait until A and B come out with their A320 / 737 replacements, then place a big order to replace the merged airlin
42 Kingsford: I once read that Brussels Airlines was considering the Sukhoi to replace it's aging Avro fleet. And we are speaking about 20 to 30 planes here.
43 Humberside: If it's Icelandair at least some must be for leasing out, because they don't need that many aircraft in their fleet
44 Rampart: A global market of multiple thousands of airframes, and not enough room for a new type? Even if the C-Series or E-jets grow, the AVIC I narrowbody co
45 NicoEDDF: Agreed. And for which routes anyway do they need jets? I thought, operating from local Rejkjavik airport to all domestic iceland destinations props w
46 Columba: I think Brussels Airlines much more likely than Icelandair.
47 SpeedyGonzales: European routes that are too thin for a 757. 3000+ km range cover most of western Europe.
48 NicoEDDF: Sure, but also cutting capacity down at least 1/3 or nearly half...depends on configuration. And sorry, it is a different thing to fly transoceanic 7
49 AirbusA6: Hmm, the prospect of large Chinese participation and orders for the type would transform it's chance of success radically!
50 Voodoo: It does look like Icelandair for the SSJ.... http://www.kommersant.com/p912847/r_529/airplane_sales/
51 Humberside: Opening up new routes, increasing frequencies on others. But even then I could only see FI using 10 as an absolute maximum, which is why I suspect th
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