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Large FedEx 777 Order Tomorrow?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19937 times:
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Yesterday a FedEx 757 flew into PAE, now sitting at the delivery center, along with a Fedex GLEX and a Challenger.

Maybe a big order coming? Or maybe just a photo op with tomorrows 777F first flight?

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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19840 times:

I would imagine we will see an order for the 777F...as a replacement for the MD11. Anything that has three engines right now is a profitability killer given the situation regarding fuel.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30886 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19785 times:
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The 15 they have on order now were meant to replace the 10 A388Fs they canceled, so additional buys to start replacing the DC-10(C)F fleet.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19691 times:

I think we will see a fairly large order to replace their DC-10/MD-11 fleet. What about some 767Fs?

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19647 times:
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As stated, we have 15/15 for the 77F. There are no plans for a new order at this time.

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 1):
Anything that has three engines right now is a profitability killer given the situation regarding fuel.

We only use 2 of 3 engines during flight to save fuel.  Big grin


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19638 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 3):
I think we will see a fairly large order to replace their DC-10/MD-11 fleet. What about some 767Fs?

I always thought they might order the A330F as a Dc10/MD 10 replacement.



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User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19298 times:
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Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
We only use 2 of 3 engines during flight to save fuel.

The third engine in the back was just an extra one anyway. Otherwise they would have put it on the wing like the rest of them.  Wink



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30886 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19264 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
I always thought they might order the A330F as a Dc10/MD 10 replacement.

The 777F better matches payload volume and weight of the MD-11F, but the A332F does match the volume and weight of the DC-10-30F.

[Edited 2008-07-13 14:05:06]

User currently offlineCrjfixer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19128 times:

Tomorrow Boeing announces the 787F and FedEx puts in a huge order.......I Wish

User currently offlinePropjett From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19108 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
We only use 2 of 3 engines during flight to save fuel.

Doesn't that create some un-wanted drag? Do they rotate which engines they run to keep times even? Or do they shut down the center engine as a rule. Seems to me that shutting down a wing engine would cause for extra trim to be applied, also being a fuel burn issue.


User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Wow... the definition of sarcasm is totally lost on this forum.


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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 19007 times:



Quoting Propjett (Reply 9):
Doesn't that create some un-wanted drag? Do they rotate which engines they run to keep times even? Or do they shut down the center engine as a rule. Seems to me that shutting down a wing engine would cause for extra trim to be applied, also being a fuel burn issue

He was not being serious! They do not fly with one engine shut down.


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

I keep thinking of this car commercial here in Denver trying to sell the fuel sipping Chevy Subrban. All kidding aside, the B777 is a good choice.

For the previous poster about FEDEX ordering 10 A380s, check your research. They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18978 times:

I would love to see a HUGE order for more 777Fs from FX. I would also love to see an order for 330Fs to replace their 300/310 fleets. They'd definitely have a very efficient fleet for cargo.

On a side note, I'm kind of surprised that 5X has not followed in FX's steps and ordered the 777F... scratchchin  They have a pretty large number of 741/2 and DC10 and MD11 to replace, and the 777F would be absolutely perfect for that roll.



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18776 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
For the previous poster about FEDEX ordering 10 A380s, check your research. They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.

Sure they did.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12426 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18747 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 14):
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
For the previous poster about FEDEX ordering 10 A380s, check your research. They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.

Sure they did.

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Reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/11/07/AR2006110701506.html



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18732 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.

They were canceled because Airbus stopped working on the A380F.
Both UPS and Fedex were customers of the A380F.



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18667 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
For the previous poster about FEDEX ordering 10 A380s, check your research. They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.

You might want to research also...
FedEx Express to Acquire Boeing 777 Freighters, Company Cancels A380 Order



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18631 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):
On a side note, I'm kind of surprised that 5X has not followed in FX's steps and ordered the 777F... They have a pretty large number of 741/2 and DC10 and MD11 to replace, and the 777F would be absolutely perfect for that roll.

UPS Doesn't have DC-10's and for the 741/742's they started acquiring 744's factory new and I believe a few BCF's too will be coming online in the next coming years.

As for FX replacing the 300/310's with the A330 that would not be move that makes much sense as the 330 would hold more plus it could not operate out of airports such as SNA that can only take the 300/310.

FX1816


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3501 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18621 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12):
For the previous poster about FEDEX ordering 10 A380s, check your research. They may have thought about using them, I don't think they really placed an order.

No, FEDEX placed and then canceled a firm A380F order.

http://www.airfleets.net/forum/topic-1422.htm



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3393 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17816 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 16):
They were canceled because Airbus stopped working on the A380F.
Both UPS and Fedex were customers of the A380F.

Little backwards. The A380F was canceled because it's orders were canceled, not the other way around.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17613 times:



Quoting Flight152 (Reply 20):
Little backwards. The A380F was canceled because it's orders were canceled, not the other way around.

Airbus had problems delivering the passenger version on time and made an agreement with the customers of the freighter version to cancel as they did they put the programme on hold.



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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17128 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
We only use 2 of 3 engines during flight to save fuel.

Yeah, it's the backup, in case one or the other go awry.

Quoting Propjett (Reply 9):
Doesn't that create some un-wanted drag? Do they rotate which engines they run to keep times even? Or do they shut down the center engine as a rule. Seems to me that shutting down a wing engine would cause for extra trim to be applied, also being a fuel burn issue.

It does create a lot of unwanted drag. Actually now, ever since the jettison program went into place, they just jettison one of the three engines in flight, then apply another one upon arrival. The only reason the 3-holers have a 3rd engine is simply for backup purposes anyhow. Otherwise its just dead weight, hence the jettison program now in place.

My sources also tell me that all DC/MD10's and 11's now depart with one engine, usually the #2 in the rear, only if the aircraft is light though, the #1 and #3's are more powerful. I've seen them depart from MEM all the time with only the #1 operating and full left rudder on takeoff, or the #3 and full right rudder. Sometimes the pilots leave the windows open in flight too, just to save fuel on air conditioning.

 liar   Big grin



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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16925 times:
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FedEx just carries the third engine as a spare, just incase they need a replacement.  old 

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16681 times:



Quoting Warszawa (Reply 22):
My sources also tell me that all DC/MD10's and 11's now depart with one engine, usually the #2 in the rear, only if the aircraft is light though, the #1 and #3's are more powerful. I've seen them depart from MEM all the time with only the #1 operating and full left rudder on takeoff, or the #3 and full right rudder. Sometimes the pilots leave the windows open in flight too, just to save fuel on air conditioning.

ROFLMAO - it often takes some maturity and a sense of humor to catch the dry sarcasm in this thread - something that seems to be sadly missing recently.



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25 EBJ1248650 : I have to agree. Can't see them replacing the MD-11s just yet. The DC-10s are older and have more cycles on them.
26 Stratosphere : The 757 was out at PAE for a board of directors meeting...I guess a dog and pony show if you will...We just got through with FAA simulations on the 75
27 UAL757 : Oh my. Are you for cereal? Okay back to topic that would be awesome for Boeing to have a large 777 order tomorrow.
28 FXramper : FX is status quo guys. 5X is happy with their massive 76F order and their needs for a 77F are filled with their 74F fleet.
29 Astuteman : That's certainly what the aircraft's bashers would want you to believe. There is quite a lot of evidence to suggest that it was Airbus who initiated
30 Jet-lagged : Yes, it is cheaper than paying for warehousing costs somewhere that could be used for packages and cargo in transit.
31 Lightsaber : I thought that was so they could bring along their puppies and let them hang their heads out during the flight. Or with any engines on the tail. Toda
32 FXramper : 1Q we made money despite missing analysts predictions. Despite a slowing economy, we take more of the market share from 5X every year.
33 Jonathan-l : (Speaking of 777F) The 777F is in a very different category to the DC-10. It's much too capable for the DC-10 operations. Also, volume-wise, the 777F
34 Revelation : Yes, and there's a lot of evidence that once the size of the slip was known that FedEx would be cancelling anyhow (they wanted the frames to start As
35 KC135TopBoom : Doesn't Airbus still have problems delivering the A-380? Isn't the "hold" Airbus put on the A-380F until 2018, essentially cancelling the A-380F prog
36 Columba : It is not officially canceled and Airbus said they will resume work on the A380F at a later date. As long as it not officially canceled I would not m
37 Stitch : Well in that case, the A380-800F was a truly terrible option for them and management must have been drunk when they ordered it. The reality is that F
38 CosmicCruiser : From the info I've seen the 777 won't replace either of them. It will be flying 16+ hr. flights to major hubs (eg. MEM-HKG) that the MD-11 can't reac
39 EA772LR : 16 hour flight for cargo??? I was not aware that cargo flights were that long...that's getting into the ULH commercial pax. flight times and ranges.
40 SM92 : Just wondering: Would FedEx replace their MD-10s as well? Not all DC-10s were converted to MD-10s, right?
41 N867BX : How far out do they jetttison the engine. I live about 15 miles south of MSP sort of inline with that new runway that is over by all the cargo planes
42 Post contains links Revelation : I would think not. According to Wikipedia, FedEx has 5 DC-10-10, 13 DC-10-30, 58 MD-10-10 and 7 MD-10-30, and only the DC-10s are leaving the fleet.
43 Warszawa : You need not worry, the DC-10's jettison the engine during cruise, that way, the engine evaporates before it ever reaches the ground.
44 Pnwtraveler : I think the total solution to the third engine is to turn it into a wind turbine to generate electricity. All that is needed is an extra long extensio
45 CosmicCruiser : Purely coincidental, they won't replace the DC-10 which is totally domestic. Keep in mind though that everything posted here is fact at this moment.
46 Post contains images Revelation : No need for a power cord, just fly over the nearest Tesla tower and download the electricity:
47 Revelation : Indeed, Wikipedia says the DC-10s are going away 2009-2011 but it seems they are already on their way out.
48 FXramper : Correct. The 777 will deploy on MEM-HKG, MEM-CAN, IND-CAN, etc. Just to clarify for some readers, we have many MD-10s, few DC-10s left in the fleet.
49 Ken777 : Wasn't it UPS that was playing eyeball to eyeball to see who blinked first. I seem to remember that if UPS cancelled then they would be paying cancel
50 Post contains links Manu : Yeah, don't mistake FedEx for Kalitta! http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...read.main/1787756/?threadid=178775 Or British Airways for that matter.
51 OyKIE : A bit of topic, but FedEx seems to convert allot of passenger planes into cargo. The oldest T7 are 14 years old. Would not it be time for the first co
52 Post contains images Astuteman : I think that's my point, really. According to both FX and 5X, Airbus advised them that the A380F's resources were being transferred to the A380-800 a
53 FRNT787 : I recall reading that both were still interested in the plane when it comes back to market.
54 Brilondon : They put the program on hold because that had no orders for the A380F. In another thread I was told that the reason for the lack of a freighter versi
55 Post contains links Revelation : Ref: http://www.ups.com/pressroom/us/pres.../press_release/0,1088,4873,00.html So: - UPS and Airbus come up with an agreement in March 2007 that says
56 SEPilot : My understanding closely parallels Astuteman's. Both 5X and FX would have still taken the planes but wanted a firm date. Airbus wouldn't or couldn't
57 Jonathan-l : Sorry, I made a mistake in my statement: I meant there is too much payload instead of volume.
58 Zvezda : I think announcement of a 787F is at least five years away.
59 Stitch : Well any freighter has too much available payload capability for 5X or FX when they're just hauling packages. However, since they don't even begin to
60 CosmicCruiser : I don't mean to be rude but some folks here need to understand that there is NO relationship between the DC-10/MD-11 and the 777. They will have comp
61 Brilondon : I don't think there will a 787F until the 777F program has run its course. Just my uninformed opinion.
62 JohnJ : And also operates a fair number of domestic US flights as well.
63 CosmicCruiser : Yes I know but I was trying to illustrate the mission role of each jet. The MD-11 only picked up the domestic stuff as the DC-10 began to go away and
64 Columba : They had Fedex, UPS and at one point even ILFC (?) and EK
65 JohnJ : Understood, and point taken. The FedEx 757 referenced by the OP appears to have returned to Memphis as of Monday morning, according to FlightAware.
66 OURBOEING : Are they looking into buying new ones or are they also looking at some sitting in the desert? Air India had picked up a few old UA (rust buckets ) a f
67 KC135TopBoom : Why not? Boeing currently is building the B-737-700C, B-747-8F, B-767-300ERF, and B-777-200LRF, for a total of four freighter types, in 4 different c
68 413X3 : I doubt fedex would be willing to spend the money needed to certify a freighter conversion for the 777
69 Post contains links Lijnden : If they take over TNT, there are again some 744F's for FedEx. How will they fit in? The article also mentioned UPS knocking... http://www.nu.nl/news/1
70 Avalon2862 : FX safely and easily delivered my horses to Buenos Aires when I was playing polo... actually, they delivered the entire team's horses (6 per player +
71 413X3 : interesting... an entire airplane for pizzas?
72 CosmicCruiser : not an entire plane load just a load. Don't remember where they were headed but I bet it was a big party.
73 Stitch : We used to FedEx bagels from NYC to SEA.
74 FXRA : My former airline preferred to use the #2 engine as a backup APU for ground operations. I sent out 80,000 lbs of pringles to NRT over a couple nights
75 Stitch : 5X's color scheme is gorgeous (I love watching their 744s out on the flight line at PAE) so a 777 in those colors will be pure magic.
76 CosmicCruiser : Yeah, and you will see more of what goes on than we do. Usually unless we see it on the ramp, eg. cars, equip., and such, we won't know unless someon
77 Plairbus : I still think and hope that they will order the 330 and it make sence because in a few years they will be a lot of 330 arround and for sure they will
78 CosmicCruiser : You don't know FEDEX very well.
79 113312 : Remember, folks, Wikipedia is not an authority on anything. It is created by the users themselves and the information contained may not be supported b
80 CosmicCruiser : You're exactly right and to prove the point I was just at a music fest where a popular DJ was giving a talk on the history and direction of pop/rock
81 KC135TopBoom : FedEx just used them as airplane tires.
82 Revelation : Well, we had some interesting conversations here on a.net when it was clear the 727s were going to have to be replaced, and when the large number of
83 Stitch : Well Boeing and their partners, as well as conversion specialists like Bedek would be the ones driving that market. A 777-200 built in 1995 is a bit
84 CosmicCruiser : Hey guys You may be speaking of WAY in the future I don't know but look back at the previous posts : The 777 for Fedex in the present is not meant to
85 Stitch : No argument there. My comments in Reply 83 were referring to a 777-200 passenger to freighter conversion. It would offer the same raw volume as a new
86 Revelation : Yes, we are. That's pretty normal here on a.net. We were discussing what would replace the 727s years ago, so it's not unusual to project what may re
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