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When Will We See A320s In Delta Colors  
User currently offlineRwex414 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15307 times:

Assuming that the deal goes through, when will we see A320s in full Delta colors? Is there an order that they will paint the planes. ex. A320s, then 757s, then A330s.
Thanks.

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User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15207 times:

I think that the A330's will look amazing in DL colors. I just hope DL keeps them around long enough to see them painted!

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15176 times:

From what I've heard around campus (and this is all hearsay at this point) is that a 747-400 would be painted and unveiled immediately upon merger approval.

Brand integration is being discussed.

Be patient. No one here knows the answer to your question so just sit back, relax, and enjoy the merger.  airplane 


User currently offlineAddi375 From France, joined Jun 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15154 times:

Why would they get rid of the A330s?
Its the first thing a lot of people here say...as soon as the merge goes through,,DUMP everything Airbus?
They make money for hte company so why dump them?



Walmart prices with Bloomies service...........
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15149 times:



Quoting PropilotJW (Reply 1):



Quoting Addi375 (Reply 3):

Oh brother...here we go. Another 500 reply thread on NW DC-9s and Airbuses post-merger.  Yeah sure  faint 


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15139 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
From what I've heard around campus (and this is all hearsay at this point) is that a 747-400 would be painted and unveiled immediately upon merger approval.

What an amazing sight that will be. I hate to put a damper on all of this but some of the NWA 744 routes are going to end up without the 747-400, as a few of the 747-400 types will be flying from Atlanta and JFK if all holds true.

Quoting PropilotJW (Reply 1):
I think that the A330's will look amazing in DL colors. I just hope DL keeps them around long enough to see them painted!

Dont worry, the A330 fleet is going absolutely nowhere anytime soon. Expect those colours within a year or two!


User currently offlineBoeing737WG From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15139 times:

I think it would be amazing to see a 747 in delta colors, so would the rest of the fleet, unfortunately I don't think the DC-9's are going to make it


Just My  twocents 



Yay, I won baid-aids! :)
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14960 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
From what I've heard around campus (and this is all hearsay at this point) is that a 747-400 would be painted and unveiled immediately upon merger approval.

STOP IT- you're giving me a coronary.

I don't care anything about seeing an A320 in Delta's colors- kind of a bland airplane, and it'll look just like USAirways' new scheme birds.
I do think, however, that the A330 and 747 will look INCREDIBLE in their new paint!!!
And the 757-300s, too... maybe. Not sure on that one.


Would have been interesting to see the DL paint on a DC-10-30... alas.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14918 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
I do think, however, that the A330 and 747 will look INCREDIBLE in their new paint!!!

To be honest, I like the NW c/s a lot more than the DL c/s, so either way they won't look as good as they do now (IMHO of course).

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
And the 757-300s, too... maybe. Not sure on that one.

Too much white on that long fuselage.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 5):
Dont worry, the A330 fleet is going absolutely nowhere anytime soon.

Agreed, I don't understand the silly misconception that DL will get rid of these brand new planes. They are the best in their class. I understand that fleet simplification is an issue, but with such a large fleet of a330's, that really should not be such an issue. If anything, it will give DL more flexibility to right-size their routes (for example a333's on busy European routes that require more pax and cargo capacity than the 763).

The DC9 is another story. They won't be gone the day of the merger, but IMHO they won't stay that long anymore, especially with the reduction in capacity announced by both DL and NW.



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14885 times:

Would the C Series or E-190/195 be the replacement for the DC-9?


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14767 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 9):
Its not a question of if an Air France 773 will be at MSP, its just a question of when.

I beg to differ. You'll never see the AF 77W at MSP. Keep dreaming, kiddo.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14663 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 10):
I beg to differ. You'll never see the AF 77W at MSP. Keep dreaming, kiddo.

For sure, right now the 77W is a 3 class aircraft. MSP-CDG really doesn't warrant or need any First class cabin.

The only AF aircraft you may see in MSP is an A330 or A340.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14365 times:

People need to get over the fact that the A330 will be in the fleet for at least another 10 years or so for now....and it will be painted in the new Delta livery.

As of right now a 744 is supposedly first in for the new livery as FlyNavy said, followed closely thereafter by an A330.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14335 times:

The only thing "ok" about the DL livery is the tail with the nice contrast of dark red and dark blue. The rest is too boring for me (and still has more elegance than the yucky wavy-gravy)

DL should ask a real artist to design a lasting image, like Miamix707  Silly


User currently offlineB727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14279 times:

I'd keep the Dc-9s and ditch the A320s The 9's have alot more in common to the Delta Mad Dogs, Plus they are well paid for. I believe Delta is trying to steamline to an all Boeing Fleet 737 757 767 and 777. I know the MDs are still in for the long haul, but to introduce Airbus into the mix would be a mess. I think these birds can fetch a decent price on the market, and further help streamline their ops.

B727
Glenn


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7598 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

Other than painting a few aircraft at first for symbolic or morale/team-building gestures (i.e., a 744, an A330 or two) repainting the fleet is not going to be the highest priority in the current state of the industry.

Repainting the fleet, while important for rebranding, is an expensive that will not create much if an additional revenue. The immediate focus is going to be on realizing the syngeries of the proposed merger to cut costs, overhead, and grow revenue. Additionally, the immediate operational changes will be of the highest priority.

Rebranding of airport signage, marketing materials, advertisements, merging reservations systems, and the website are far more important that repainting the fleet.

It will happen, but the current crunch on the industry make reprioritize a number of issues in the integration process.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
From what I've heard around campus (and this is all hearsay at this point) is that a 747-400 would be painted and unveiled immediately upon merger approval.

Indeed. I was very surprised after turning off the runway in ATLfrom DFW on Saturday evening around 2030 only to have a NW 747 land right behind us. I thought for just a second, that maybe she was headed over to the paint hangars but no, she turned in the other direction and parked next to a bunch or World MD-11's. Maybe it was here on a military charter. It was getting dark right about that time so I wasn't sure if it was a -400 or not, anybody know?

[Edited 2008-07-14 08:45:48]

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9509 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14213 times:

First plane should be a 744.

Quoting Addi375 (Reply 3):
Its the first thing a lot of people here say...as soon as the merge goes through,,DUMP everything Airbus?

I'm not that lucky.  Sad

Quoting B727 (Reply 14):

I'd keep the Dc-9s and ditch the A320s The 9's have alot more in common to the Delta Mad Dogs, Plus they are well paid for. I believe Delta is trying to steamline to an all Boeing Fleet 737 757 767 and 777. I know the MDs are still in for the long haul, but to introduce Airbus into the mix would be a mess. I think these birds can fetch a decent price on the market, and further help streamline their ops.

I'd go for that but yet again I'm not that lucky.  Sad
My hope is they will try to be like AA and keep the M88s and 737s in ATL,JFK,SLC and the Airbus in MSP and DTW.



yep.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14171 times:

As much as I'm a Boeing fan, I can't see DL ditching any of the Airbus products anytime soon. Unless there's alot of a/c in the pipeline from Boeing, they'll need something to fly all the routes picked up in the merger. I also believe they might use the DC-9's to replace RJ's on some routes.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSeamefly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14142 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 16):
Indeed. I was very surprised after turning off the runway in ATLfrom DFW on Saturday evening around 2030 only to have a NW 747 land right behind us. I thought for just a second, that maybe she was headed over to the paint hangars but no, she turned in the other direction and parked next to a bunch or World MD-11's. Maybe it was here on a military charter. It was getting dark right about that time so I wasn't sure if it was a -400 or not, anybody know?

How could you not tell the different between a 747 and other aircrafts? it's sooo obvious with the big hump


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7598 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14144 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 16):
Indeed. I was very surprised after turning off the runway in ATLfrom DFW on Saturday evening around 2030 only to have a NW 747 land right behind us. I thought for just a second, that maybe she was headed over to the paint hangars but no, she turned in the other direction and parked next to a bunch or World MD-11's. Maybe it was here on a military charter. It was getting dark right about that time so I wasn't sure if it was a -400 or not, anybody know?

NW flew a 744 charter Saturday night ATL-VOX (some airport up in Wisconsin) then ferried back to DTW.

No idea what was the purpose of the charter.

Nevermind, the merger isn't anywhere near being close, so there is no way they would be painting an aircraft in July!


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14127 times:



Quoting Seamefly (Reply 19):
How could you not tell the different between a 747 and other aircrafts? it's sooo obvious with the big hump

I don't think it was a matter of whether it was a 747, but whether it was a 747-400 OR -200/300, etc.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14122 times:

Quoting Seamefly (Reply 19):
How could you not tell the different between a 747 and other aircrafts? it's sooo obvious with the big hump

As I said, it was getting dark and I only got a fleeting glance out of a window of a moving a/c. I'm well aware of the differences in the a/c but thanks for the advice.   

[Edited 2008-07-14 09:02:49]

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3299 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14113 times:

I have no idea if this is true or not, but I sat next to a guy on a DL flight last month who is a VP at PPG. PPG sells DL the paint.

http://corporateportal.ppg.com/na/aerospace

He said his understanding was, that for the time being, DL was going to paint the tails of most of the NW aircraft only, leaving the fuselage in the current NW scheme. I have no idea what that means for the NWA logo at the front.

It would certainly be a quick and cheap way to at least get the DL brand on the NW aircraft. Given the cost environment, there won't be much appetite for a massive repaint program.

Again, I have no idea if this is now or ever has been the plan. But I thought it was interesting and the guy certainly seemed to be somewhat informed on the issue.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14084 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 23):
He said his understanding was, that for the time being, DL was going to paint the tails of most of the NW aircraft only, leaving the fuselage in the current NW scheme.



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 23):
It would certainly be a quick and cheap way to at least get the DL brand on the NW aircraft.

Sounds reasonable and consistent with the way DL prosecuted past mergers.

[Edited 2008-07-14 09:17:02]

25 DeltaL1011man : I have heard (not sure if true though) that the NW logos on the front of the plane are stickers. If true I think DL will pull them off and bring out
26 Post contains links Oly720man : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9810 Acarsd.org has it as N675NW (though the flight route is given as MSP-AMS)
27 SPREE34 : DL couldn't afford to loose the 330s. There is no other equipment, even in the combined fleet, to cover the routes. It was the right replacement for
28 Flynavy : Do you run an airline? Don't be so sure. I'm starting to hear blurbs about the MD-88 retirement beginning on 2009 in toto with the DC-9 fleet; if tha
29 1337Delta764 : I would expect that Delta will shift the A330-200s to longer routes that can use more capacity than a 763ER. The A330-300s might be used on some Euro
30 Jetlanta : I read that on here too. Not sure if it is true. Also not sure how easy it is to just peel them off. I suspect paint might come along for the ride. T
31 Jetlanta : For the last time....(I wish) A330's are not going anywhere. They will be in the combined fleet for many, many years. There is no economic justificati
32 Flynavy : But wait, I thought Delta was going to an all Boeing fleet?
33 WESTERN737800 : I agree. I think all of the Airbuses will be around for til their normal retirement dates. I do see DL going all Boeing after the buses go away but t
34 Bobnwa : Yes they are decals, but I guess it won't really matter to you, since you stated you will never fly Delta again if the have A320, A319, or A330's in
35 Post contains images Flynavy : Don't be so sure. Some of NW's A320s have already timed out and been scrapped. N302US - Scrapped Marana, AZ in 2007 N306US - Scrapped Marana, AZ in 2
36 DeltaL1011man : I'll take a guess on this 901-905 1/2009 906-912 1/2010 917 2/2010 914-916 7/2010 919-925 12/2010 913 12/2011 955-956 12/2011 966-967 12/2011 976 12/
37 DeltaL1011man : Yes but I will have to see it anytime I fly. (Live in Atlanta will be hard to miss Delta here.) Do you know how hard it will be to pull them off? Wil
38 SYfan100 : A Boeing 747-400 would rock in those colors! The Airbus 330s will be around for a long time. They are very young yet with the youngest not even being
39 1337Delta764 : The A330 has a narrower fuselage than the 777, so most likely, the 777 sleeper suites would still have to be in a 3-abreast layout unless a shorter b
40 Flynavy : Three of these ships have already left the fleet (901-903).
41 Flynavy : A few more years? More like within the next year, maybe two.
42 DeltaL1011man : Oh ok didn't know that thanks.
43 Airbazar : Nothing can possibly look good in that hideous livery. But that's just my opinion Luckily for those of us who share the same opinion, a DL livery is
44 Flynavy : That's no excuse! You're slacking!
45 DeltaL1011man : Tell me about it........I'm still missing a few 763 and 752 regs. that are gone. (I don't have the time or money to make the drive up to the airport
46 SYfan100 : Those Airbus 320s that hit the chopping block were returned the company who leased them out to Northwest if I am not mistaken.
47 United_Fan : Howabout a feshly painted 727 ?
48 DeltaL1011man : No this livery was done by Gerry. Maybe Anderson will do the right thing and stop the burning widget and bring back the real/tue widget. Just don't s
49 Jetlanta : My friend, get over it. It's not going to happen. The new widget is going to stay.
50 Post contains links and images Flynavy : I couldn't resist... Modified Airliner Photos: Design © Jennings Heilig Template © Jennings Heilig Modified Airliner Photos: Design © T.G. Template
51 Jetlanta : That's very interesting. I am very curious how easy they are to remove.
52 DeltaL1011man : One can only hope. With Delta track record someone will change it in a few years.
53 Post contains links CokePopper : The only way Delta should roll out the 747 Even better picture here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...ir-Lines/Boeing-747-132/1269404/M/ sorry I
54 Jetlanta : Speak for yourself. I find the complete re-branding MUCH better than anything Delta has ever done in the past. I thought I would miss the old blue an
55 Post contains links and images Aloha717200 : DL's loss is Allegiant's gain. The Mad Dogs will fly again. Shame, because it's a horrible livery. If a new DL livery is in the works it ought to be
56 Flynavy : Incorrect. No aircraft Delta owns will be sold to another airline, much less Allegiant (the exception being 757s/767s going to cargo operators). They
57 Flynavy : There is no new livery in the works. Period. End of story. End of debate.
58 Aloha717200 : But we aren't talking "forever" in this thread, we're talking about events over the next few years, and I believe Allegiant have stated that they int
59 Bobnwa : Don't know how easy they are to remove, but I guess we will find out.
60 Flynavy : It is the recent attitude here at ATG. No aircraft will be sold to another competitor unless it's a cargo operation. The exceptions being the leased
61 SPREE34 : But wait, I thought Delta was going to remain a stand alone carrier? My the landscape changes quickly.
62 Alitalia744 : Ok, gonna try and beat a dead-horse again ... Airbus Aircraft There will be no immediate withdrawl of any Airbus aircraft (except possibly some early
63 Flynavy : What are you talking about? Perhaps you missed my sarcasm?
64 Aloha717200 : I see, thank you for the insight then, sorry for the misunderstanding. Shame, I'll miss the red and blue. I will agree that the brand is more strongl
65 Flynavy : No harm done. There are many misconceptions about Delta's future out there. Glad to have helped you clear up at least one. I agree with you wholehear
66 Jetlanta : How do you feel about the non-livery branding though? The new concept is very strong on the ground, in my opinion.
67 Solnabo : DL ac´s gonna look like any other euro white metal flying around imo. Crying shame that the cool silver/red livery will disapear. //Micke
68 SPREE34 : Good one! Yep, I totally missed it. I've used the week to move my body clock to UK time for Farnborough. Looks like my brain got there early.
69 SYfan100 : Would love to see the hangers at MSP and DTW do alot of the painting of the aircraft if the merger is approved.
70 Max550 : I've often wondered what a white 747 would look like.
71 Post contains links and images Flynavy : Modified Airliner Photos:Design © JetaboutTemplate © Jetabout
72 Alitalia744 : Do you really expect people to look at the Brand from a total/holistic standpoint? On a.net, a brand only goes as far as the livery...C'mon pal!
73 Aloha717200 : I like it on the ground. Ticket jackets looked great and the logo looks good behind the counters and on other Delta material. I would still prefer it
74 Jetlanta : No. I really don't. Sometimes I harbor a foolish wish that people might accept that their personal preferences are not necessarily the best or more r
75 Richierich : Well, there have been plenty of DC-9s (and a few 747s) in DL colors already, granted it was all the Widget scheme. I don't wonder too much about what
76 Max550 : Not too bad actually, for some reason I was thinking all white. I don't see many Delta planes around here, just the Comair CRJ's mostly, which are at
77 Post contains links and images RobK : Delta's current scheme... View Large View MediumPhoto © Diego Ruiz De Vargas - Iberian Spotters is pants and the 744 would look horrific in it .
78 DeltaL1011man : Right on!! Nope Yes DL doesn't want anymore little FL's popping up. Wait wait wait......Do the Delta employees want them or do a few plus Anderson wa
79 Max550 : I don't want to offend anyone, as I don't really follow Delta liveries much at all, but I think the new one looks a lot better. Aside from the fact t
80 Lambert747 : There are to many A330 in the NWA fleet for Delta Air Lines to just do away with. The A330 serves a very distinct purpose. No other fleet type can op
81 DeltaL1011man : Ok how did that answer my question?.......and BTW its a new plane that can do all that......Its called the 777. (also PDX-AMS is likely to become 763
82 SeaBosDca : Will those of you who know less than the above well-connected members now PLEASE stop with these constant predictions that DL will get rid of very ef
83 Planefxr : Trust me that bare metal on the belly does not look that good unless polished every so often, which unfortuneatly does not happen. Besides the new co
84 CokePopper : I am looking forward to working the A330. It has to be better than our A310 we had right? That a/c did leave a bad taste for many of us. Anyway, the c
85 Jetjack74 : Hardly. While no NWA pilots based there, the fact that no NWA FA's are based in ATL, nor are any DL FA's trained on the 744, it would be unlikely any
86 Planefxr : Sorry, but it will happen. Just like DL flies TATL out of CVG with no international 767 pilot base, they are flown with ATL based crews. DL will cons
87 YWG747 : I am thinking just maybe we should all let the merger go through.
88 DeltaL1011man : LAX-NRT-ATL-NRT-LAX and look at that a 744 in Atlanta. ATL-LGW-CVG-LGW-ATL. The 752 flight is with NYC crews though right? What will stop it now? If
89 Jetlanta : LOL, thanks! You are in for a big surprise my friend. ATL-NRT will be a 744 quicker than you can spit.
90 DeltaL1011man : Not only NRT but a a few other city's have been talked about.
91 NWASkyking : I am just wondering if delta will come out with another livery to show support to both northwest and delta as a whole...it would be quite costly consi
92 JBirdAV8r : Ask Delta what happened the last time they sold their old Douglas aircraft to Maury Gallagher...
93 PSU.DTW.SCE : I know you HATE the Airbus, but why on earth would they go and order a boatload of 777's to replace perfectly fine A330's. Nevermind that NW has 32 A
94 Planefxr : Warren Buffet said once when asked about owning airlines stocks. " You could make a small fortune buying and selling airline stocks,.......If you sta
95 Planefxr : PSU.DTW.SCE I thought NW still had five A319's on order? If this is correct do they plan on taking delivery of these? What kind of IFE or AVOD do the
96 PSU.DTW.SCE : There are 5 A319's and 2 A320's that are on a continually deffered order. highly doubt we will see NW (or DL) take delivery of any more A319/A320 air
97 Planefxr : What system? Panasonic, Rockwell, Sony?
98 PSU.DTW.SCE : Panasonic
99 Planefxr : Hey who said that there is no fleet commonality between NW and DL. That is actually good to hear, one less expense to change systems or maintain yet
100 PSU.DTW.SCE : Nope. None. Some of the early-build A320's had IFE with overhead monitors, but the system has long since been deactived, and now removed.
101 Jetjack74 : Pure speculation. With the vast fleet types this merger will create, mgmt will be eager to do away with excess capacity, and with the flexibility the
102 Lambert747 : Northwest Airlines Flight Attendants are not going to be the sole Flight Attendants on the 747-400 a year from now. Things are going to be changed up
103 Alitalia744 : Lambert - some of those are what I've been hearing, others slightly changed.[Edited 2008-07-14 22:44:34]
104 Lambert747 : Thanks .. There is a lot of speculation. However, I am 100% in agreement that the 747-400 will be offered on multiple routes from both JFK and ATL. D
105 Aloha717200 : If the 747 is so important to DL then why haven't they acquired one before this merger idea took hold? I'm somewhat skeptical that they will keep it.
106 DL767captain : that actually wouldn't be a bad idea. it's fast and cheap but most of all it will get people to start seeing that NWA is becoming DL and start recogn
107 EBGflyer : Why would a DL flight replace a CO flight??? It's not up to DL to decide. CO is flying the freakin routes. What's that got to do with DL?
108 CokePopper : I believe that would have to do with CO leaving SkyTeam. No more Sky Team between those cities.
109 PSU.DTW.SCE : Nice list Lambert - however, anything beyond 3-6 months right now in this industry might as well be a decade out. There are way too many unknowns to p
110 Bobnwa : Talked about by whom? Are you talking about people on this board?
111 Flynavy : Well, we're at 112 replies! Only 388 more to go!
112 1337Delta764 : Actually, it isn't the same Panasonic system that Delta uses. The NW A330 AVOD system is a Panasonic 3000i system, while the AVOD systems that are us
113 Jetlanta : I can't vouch for the list, but a lot of it sounds about right to me. Understand this, it isn't really a huge expansion so much as a reallocation. Re
114 Post contains images Lambert747 : It has everything to do with that! Someone at Delta.. (Not a line employee).. There wasn't anything proprietary about the list, if anyone asks. As no
115 Jetlanta : ALPA already has. That should tell you something.
116 Mayor : When Ron Allen was president, there was a decision to be made between the MD-11 and the 747-400. It turns out that three MD-11's could be purchased f
117 Planefxr : Ok, thanks for the info. Believe me, I am all to familiar with the EFX system, unfortuneately. It is nice when it works, but there are many reliabili
118 DeltaL1011man : Fleet commentalty. (like I said I would love it if DL would order about 30 A332s with RRs on them) 77W agreed JFK-NRT will be a 777. SYD will most li
119 Planefxr : Don't count on it it. NW will be down to 10 742's on their cargo ops by years end, and as profitable as cargo can be, NW cargo ops is a big money los
120 Jetjack74 : Uhhh, yes we will. And if AFA wins the combined vote in the representational election(which they most likely will), fence agreements will be go into
121 Post contains links Jetjack74 : Actually, all facets of the industry are taking a nosedive at the present time. However, there was an article or 2 about Delta wanting to invest incr
122 Alitalia744 : Actually Jetjack74, not really zany assertions. Most of these routes, minus a few changes, are slated for re-gauge. Some were even mentioned in a rec
123 DeltaL1011man : Some markets (mostly the ones Lam said) need to be filled. Jet your betting that the all holy AFA will win but last time I checked you guys failed th
124 Planefxr : Jack, you may very well be correct, I will not argue the point. However Anderson did question the viability of the cargo ops and said that no the 744
125 Planefxr : Like Lambert said DL will fill those markets. Outside of a handful of markets what void does CO create? They are a great airline, they were not reall
126 Lambert747 : No, they will not. Delta Air Lines, is running the show with the merger. Yes, certain NWA management team members will remain. Why is it so hard to u
127 DeltaL1011man : Which is what I was talking about. Those few markets need to be filled.(those markets being the ones Lam listed)
128 DL767captain : Well that made sense back when frequency was more important than capacity and fuel was not insanely expensive. It would be cheaper to fly more people
129 Mayor : Exactly. I guess I should have said that I think Allen made the wrong decision then, just as it would be the wrong decision, now. I never felt that D
130 EBGflyer : So you're saying CO is pulling out of EWR-CPH just because they are joining *A. It's not necessarily the case. There are other cases of SK serving th
131 DeltaL1011man : what a get plan that was thanks again Ron. What? Ok What I am saying is CO is dropping out of Sky which means the markets Lam listed will no longer h
132 Gsosbee : Only at the risk of going to the end of the seniority list. First of all, and no disrespect to NW and its employees, but it will be DL only the secon
133 PSU.DTW.SCE : [ Regardless of all these comments, about DL launching all these routes from JFK that CO is currently flying from EWR, DL current earns ZERO revenue o
134 DeltaL1011man : Not true. Its more up to Both DL/NW and AF/KL.
135 Jetlanta : Network changes can and will happen much quicker than the overall corporate integration. Trust.
136 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Prove me wrong. Sorry I have to resort to this level, but there is literally so much junk being spewed in this thread I am going down that path. http
137 Jetjack74 : Pointless? For a route that is a consistant money maker as the AMS-India has been? AMS-BOM will bearond after the merger takes place. It will most li
138 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : http://cardatabase.net/modifiedairli...earch/photo_search.php?id=00009040 http://cardatabase.net/modifiedairli...earch/photo_search.php?id=00009957
139 DeltaL1011man : Sure no "massive" expansions but DL will keeping growing internationally like they are now. There will be something close to 5-6 new 767 routes alone
140 Jetlanta : My friend, a couple of folks on here who are highly credible are telling you something. You can chose to read the PR literally and assume it means th
141 PSU.DTW.SCE : Jetatlanta - I do agree with you. However there are certain, uneducated folks who do believe there are going to be earth-shattering changes on Day 1,
142 Jetlanta : OK, we are definitely agreed on that.
143 Gsosbee : You cannot have it both ways. Based on previous DL acquisitions and participating in more mergers than you, I can truthfully say you have no idea how
144 Bobnwa : Only the DL flight attendants voted in the election you mentioned. The next election will have the DL attendants and the NW attendants voting. It wil
145 Bobnwa : Only the DL flight attendants voted in the election you mentioned. The next election will have the DL attendants and the NW attendants voting. It wil
146 Lambert747 : An aircraft on a routing can be changed at a moments notice. Dont be surprised to see a DTW-NRT-ATL-NRT-DTW routing appear on the Flight Attendant bi
147 DL767captain : Oh ok that makes sense. DL might not need anything larger than a 772 alone but when they merge with NW they will need larger jets. Not only for route
148 EBGflyer : Don't understand your logic. Why would it be picked up by DL? Who said there were ever need for Skyteam on that route? Nevertheless, Skyteam is infer
149 Planefxr : I never implied that they did share revenue. They don't need 13000 f/a's trained on the 747, depending on how many lines are made up for ATL, they wi
150 CokePopper : Let me get this straight, IF they move the A330 to say ATL, and say I was based there. Jack are you saying I can't work that flight for "a few years"
151 BERflyer : Long time lurker, first post: As some of you might now there were 747's in DL livery out there already: in the early 80's! I think you might find pict
152 Planefxr : Absolutely right CokePopper! Hopefully DL f/a's will look at everything and make the right decision. If there is one thing that worries me about this
153 CokePopper : BERflyer -- you must of missed this post: again, if Alitalia744 or Flynavy says so....... I would believe it!
154 Nwaflyer : I have limited knowledge of how airlines work. I do however understand a few principles. You cannot just plug in a 747 from ATL or JFK to anywhere in
155 Planefxr : Yes they would need to carry spare parts in ATL. Yes they would carry spare parts in ATL, they may come from other places such as MSP, they may come
156 PSU.DTW.SCE : When that day does occur, there will be so many DL fanboys at the airport fence in ATL peeing their pants with excitement.
157 Planefxr : Too Late! It must have been all those Coca-Cola's we drank.
158 BERflyer : CokePopper, i was kidding! I was talking about DL's 747-200 they had in the early 80's in the classic DL Livery. So we already saw 747's in DL livery
159 Lambert747 : If it means anything... The 747-400 are the first, reportedly, to be going to the paintshop.. Reality and Delta Air Lines have proven that LHR, GRU,
160 PSU.DTW.SCE : I still stand by the belief that DL will have to upgrade the 744 interiors & seats in Y before they even think of sending them on ATL-NRT/GRU/LHR.
161 Post contains links and images Mayor : Welcome aboard. BTW, DL took delivery of their first 747 in 1970 and we sold the last one in '77. View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank C. Duarte
162 Lambert747 : The soft upgrades can be done quickly, Delta Air Lines can bring the NWA 1990's interiors up to modern date within a few days. It is nothing to detai
163 Jetlanta : Agreed. Wow Lambert, that's several times in one day! Anyway, the soft upgrade will bring the 744's basically up to DL 767-300ER standard. Clearly th
164 Post contains images Lambert747 : See I really do like my widget!
165 Post contains links 1337Delta764 : If I would like to see any upgrade in the cabin of NW's 744s, I personally would like to see the Contour Premium Solar Suites like on the 772LRs, PTVs
166 KingAir200 : Oh don't flatter yourself. This site is loaded with people who just want to see DL 744s. They might be bare bones, but passengers don't seem to mind
167 Planefxr : That may be true, but DL is trying hard to distinguish themselves among peers and provide a more consistent product.
168 Nwaflyer : How on earth will all of these upgrades happen when the airline industry is in the toilet? It certainly seems people here know how to spend money: New
169 Planefxr : So what is a couple hundred million dollars, DL will pay it if required. Who said they are going to close MSP? MSP will be a valuable hub for many ye
170 Nwaflyer : So what is a couple hundred million dollars, DL will pay it if required. Who said they are going to close MSP? MSP will be a valuable hub for many yea
171 Planefxr : What has to be done, has to be done. I don't say that with any disrespect to you or the taxpayers of MN and I am not saying a couple of hundred of do
172 A388 : I thought the condition for DL and NW to merge was that they both keep their own identity, something similar to AF and KL. Has this been changed? I ha
173 WESTERN737800 : Agreed NW did a great job of building up MSP over the years. DL would be crazy to walk away from it.
174 Panamair : No, there is no rule/regulation requiring this; both DL and NW are from the same country, unlike AF and KL. No, but trust us when we tell you that AT
175 Post contains links and images Beertrucker : Twa and AA did not do any repaint. other then the hybrid one before the take over. And you did not see one in HP/US. But I think what was reported be
176 A388 : I'll explain my post further. What I meant is that DL and NW decided to merge on the condition that they remain separate entities and keeping their o
177 Nwaflyer : No disrepect taken. When the people of a certain city help a great company you (or at least I) get bitter when they chose to move. NW is a special ca
178 Planefxr : MSP is a great city, airport and hub and will continue to be even if the name and paint change on the airplanes. The employees of either airline have
179 Lambert747 : Aloha left Honolulu American left San Jose Continental left Denver US Airways left Pittsburgh It can happen and it will happen to other airlines and
180 SYfan100 : They would have a million massive heart attacks in Atlanta if that happened. Would the new Delta be serving Pepsi for inflight beverage service? I ca
181 Planefxr : Don't you think the A330 to Glasgow would be a little overkill?
182 Jetjack74 : Well, i'm sorry to say, Building F(our training site in MSP) would not be able to accomodate the Delta FA's while our FA's are going through recurren
183 SYfan100 : The Airbus 330-200 I would say No. But the Airbus 330-300 I would say Yes it would be a over kill. I really do believe Northwest would do well on a D
184 Planefxr : In the past yes f/a were trained on all fleet types. It is divided between international and domestic now. There would be no need to train domestic b
185 SeaBosDca : A 757-200 would be more appropriately sized, if the route would work at all. GLA just isn't that big a market. A330s (both -200s and -300s) will be u
186 Planefxr : No I agree DTW is very nice, I just wonder if the demand for Glasgow would justify such a large a/c. That would be great!
187 Lambert747 : The above statement seems and sounds like a bit of isolationism on behalf of a Northwest Airlines Flight Attendant against Delta Air Lines Flight Att
188 Beertrucker : For those who say It is going to be NW just with Delta paint I dissagree. I belive this will be the old Delta will be deas as will NW. I see this as a
189 SYfan100 : It depends how you market it. If a larger aircraft wouldn't work like a Airbus 330-200 then a Boeing 787-800 would be excellent for the route. The re
190 Lambert747 : I wonder if it will be full bar cart, or a half cart? There is a lot of Coke to be served in the Atlanta market..
191 Planefxr : How about a refurbished 757-200 with the new BizElite, and AVOD throughout. They really are very nice. Seats 16/158, that is 174 seats.
192 SeaBosDca : The 787-8 and A330-200 are, for all practical purposes, exactly the same size. Both are too big for a route connecting what will be a secondary hub t
193 1337Delta764 : Nope, it will be Coke. Delta President/CFO Ed Bastian said so in an interview about the merger.
194 Nwaflyer : Agreed Not the same except for maybe PIT. This is where we we totally disagree. MSP is not STL, PIT, MCI. ATL is a medium sized city. Without a OVERS
195 Coronado : I look forward to the Delta take over of NWA. The joined companies will be a force to be reckoned with. Having said this I must comment on the paranoi
196 Lambert747 : A medium sized city that has the demand for Air France, KLM, Korean, Lufthansa and a boatload of other Delta Air Lines long-haul routes.. Something t
197 Post contains links DL Widget Head : Medium size city??? Not according to the statistics below. Atlanta is the 9th largest metro area in the USA ahead of both Minneapolis and Detroit. Bu
198 Nwaflyer : All other than Lufhansa are Sky Team. I am not implying the ATL insignifigance. It is a hub that is oversized. Why do the airlines in the second para
199 Jetjack74 : It's not isolationism, it's called a contract. And you're just off and away with these wild unsubstatiated claims. I would just like to know 2 things
200 DeltAirlines : There are plenty of major companies that have changed headquarters locations over the years for several reasons. Heck, in the aviation industry, Boei
201 Post contains links Nwaflyer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tes_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas Metropolitan Statistical Areas of the United States of America Rank Metropol
202 Nwaflyer : Did the people of Washington bail out Boeing? Not that I know of. That is my exception.
203 DL Widget Head : Nobody puffing their chest out. The fact is your comment is incorrect and I provided the data to refute it.
204 Flynavy : You need to learn how to properly utilize the Quote feature of this forum. 205 down! 295 to go! And, when we get to 500 freakin' replies, we'll have
205 Nwaflyer : I am sorry for not completely understanding the Quote feature. My mistake. We will accomplish nothing since it is our opinions and that only. We are n
206 Flynavy : What is your point, exactly? (Note proper use of quote feature)
207 Lambert747 : I am the son of an ex-TWA Flight Attendant(1961-1997). Many people that I know are involved in the airlines in one form of another. In fact a few eve
208 DL Widget Head : When comparing US cities to other US cities, Atlanta as well as the other top 10 on the list are indeed LARGE American cities, some of course being l
209 DeltaL1011man : Pointless AMS-BOM will be gone. They will feed JFK-BOM and later ATL-BOM. I don't think they will give it up but I think KLM will take the route over
210 Bobnwa : AMS-BOM is a joint venture flight so NW/DL flying it is the same as KL/AF flying it.
211 Lambert747 : KLM can operate the route, there is no reason for DL/NW to maintain the service...
212 DeltaL1011man : yes but It will free up 2 A332s for other routes. I understand the they will get the money ether way but why not take the money and use the a/c for o
213 Jetjack74 : Just as I thought. Another outsider who believes he knows all. When you actually work as a flight attendant, and understand what a contract is, then
214 Bobnwa : The other flights are also likely to be joint venture also,so why take an aircraft off a known money maker to try something new.
215 CokePopper : I believe the mantra of the present/future Delta is Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
216 Lambert747 : Dont presume anything. I think coming from a parent who was a Flight Attendant for over 35 years, makes me perfectly knowledgeable of what a contract
217 Post contains links and images Srbmod : Actually Delta had sold those DC-9s back to McDonnell-Douglas who in turn sold them to Valujet. The only reason why Valujet went with the DC-9 is tha
218 Planefxr : I wouldn't call myself and outsider, just because I don't wear a smock, I have been married to a DL F/A for almost 20 years. Her best friend is a UA
219 CokePopper : Oh I can't wait for the trip in the non-too distant future when I have to hear on one side of the aisle, "Well at NW we did it this way"....and on the
220 PGNCS : And we know it's all about you, isn't it? And this is likely why you aren't the CEO of a major airline. You don't have to be based somewhere to fly a
221 DeltaL1011man : With fuel this high the best MSP would get would be some WN flights.
222 SYfan100 : Every Airline has their weakness on something. Not one Airline is perfect in all areas of operation. It just depends though where the weakness is at w
223 Nwaflyer : It is not peanuts. DL lost 1B and it is a love fest (read the other post). There will be larger airlines that will go BK or bust. And if NW/DL are no
224 DL Widget Head : According to Glen Hauenstein's latest employee call-in show, the 747's will probably be flowing through ATL within about 4 months after the close of
225 Jetlanta : Rapid City is a small market, MSP is not. The idea that the 9th largest MSA in the nation is "medium sized" is ludicrous unless you have absolutely n
226 DL Widget Head : To further illustrate this concept... SRQ is small, PDX is medium size. DTW is large.
227 Post contains images Flynavy : I suppose all of us at ATG are misinformed then. Thanks for clearing this up.   The FACT is that we sold DC-9s and they eventually ended up going to
228 Dl757md : Welcome to the forums BERflyer! Delta does not schedule paint visits with mtc checks. NW aircraft will be pulled out of service to be repainted in DL
229 FLYjoe : We had something similar when I was with US in the 90s. Some of our older 737-200s were sold and their next mission was with Nations Air flying PHL-P
230 DeltaL1011man : And please do tell us Nwa how much was a cash loss? If you check again you will see DL MADE money for Q2. the !B was a non-cash write off. and now we
231 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : I think a hybrid livery like these would be cool: Modified Airliner Photos: Design © Jennings Heilig Template © Jennings Heilig Modified Airliner Ph
232 Avek00 : How much of a payload hit would DL be taking with NWA's 744s on ATL-NRT? I mean, NWA often skimps on performance when buying widebodies, so I'm sure
233 A388 : Nice combination of both DL and NW liveries but I'm not that much of a fan of the combined tail logo. The new DL logo looks much better. A388
234 Jetjack74 : So every offspring of an FA is suddenly an expert in the realm of the Flight Attendant? My father was a British Diplomat, so I guess i'm omnicient in
235 Lambert747 : Probably the same payload hit the Korean Air takes on its daily 744 ATL-ICN flight..
236 SYfan100 : Those look nice!
237 Lambert747 : Why not work for British Airways? Virgin Atlantic? BMI? Being a son of a diplomat one would think that one would understand such things.. Everyone is
238 Planefxr : DL also does recurrent in SLC. Like I said before, this is not going to be insurmountable. 747's are not going to be flying out of ATL as soon as the
239 Planefxr : DL is considering the 77L to JNB, of course somebody from a.net should inform him that this too is impossible, because the a/c can't possibly do it a
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