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Etihad's Aircraft Order Largest Ever In History?  
User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 14478 times:

Just looking through the stats here, and surely Etihad's Farnborough aircraft order must be pretty close to being the largest ever in the history of aviation? I mean...

70 B787s (35 firm, 25 options, 10 rights)
25 B777s (10 firm, 10 options, 5 rights)
50 A350s (25 firm, 10 options, 15 rights)
20 A380s (10 firm, 5 options, 5 rights)
40 A320s (20 firm, 5 options, 15 rights)

That is 205 aircraft in one hit, of which 165 are widebodies! 100 firm orders.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14272 times:
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Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter):
pretty close to being the largest ever in the history of aviation

I wouldn't use the words "pretty close"!  Wow!

Even just the firm components easily make it the largest order ever placed (although split over two manufacturers).

I would guess QR's order for 80 A350s was the previous biggest.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14203 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter):
Just looking through the stats here, and surely Etihad's Farnborough aircraft order must be pretty close to being the largest ever in the history of aviation? I mean...

70 B787s (35 firm, 25 options, 10 rights)
25 B777s (10 firm, 10 options, 5 rights)
50 A350s (25 firm, 10 options, 15 rights)
20 A380s (10 firm, 5 options, 5 rights)
40 A320s (20 firm, 5 options, 15 rights)

That is 205 aircraft in one hit, of which 165 are widebodies! 100 firm orders.

No it is not the largest order in civil aviation. Please do remember that Etihad did not order any 787/777's at Farnborough. What Etihad did was simply identify itself as being a UFO already booked with Boeing months before.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14204 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter):
That is 205 aircraft in one hit, of which 165 are widebodies! 100 firm orders.

No way. It's not 205 in one hit since the Boeing were UFO. And they are options and purchase rights as well.

Just because you announce it all at one time doesn't make it true. Today consisted of 55 new orders, that's all. 35 were widebodies. Hardly the biggest.  Wink



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14204 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Today consisted of 55 new orders, that's all. 35 were widebodies. Hardly the biggest.

But they did succeed in their goal, which was to make some people BELIEVE it was a huge order.  Wink



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

Not even close... no 


"SEATTLE, Nov. 21, 1996 -- Boeing Commercial Airplane Group today confirmed an order by American Airlines for 103 Boeing jetliners and confirmed that the airline had arranged innovative "purchase rights" for 527 more Boeing jets over the next 20 years."

five-hundred and twenty-seven.... Wow!

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767...news/1996/news.release.961121.html

Of course, due to Boeing's purchase of MDD, some parts of the contract had to probably be redone, however, the amount of frames ordered is staggering!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

It's funny though, looking through past news, there is no shortage of articles with various middle east airlines claiming their recent order is the "largest in history" truth be damned. And the newspapers seem to just print it without ever checking.

EY is claiming their order is the largest ever, EK claimed theirs was, QR claimed theirs was, etc., etc...



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

I think that Emirates currently sets the record for widebody's. At the Dubai Air Show in November, 2007 Emirates ordered the following.

A350's x 70 firm + 50 options
A380's x 11 firm
777w's x 12 firm.


Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13930 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
I think that Emirates currently sets the record for widebody's

Yes, and value at 23.4 billion. EY is claiming their 20 billion is the most valuable, and that includes purchase rights and such. It's CLEARLY not, so why would any newspaper not check that?

And even then, book value is an easy measure to win, because each year, the price of planes goes up. So the value of the AA commitment in 1996 dollars would have outpaced the EY 20 billion in 1996 dollars because it consisted of 777s, 767s, 757s and 738s.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13240 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Yes, and value at 23.4 billion. EY is claiming their 20 billion is the most valuable, and that includes purchase rights and such. It's CLEARLY not, so why would any newspaper not check that?

And even then, book value is an easy measure to win, because each year, the price of planes goes up. So the value of the AA commitment in 1996 dollars would have outpaced the EY 20 billion in 1996 dollars because it consisted of 777s, 767s, 757s and 738s.

You're clearly really upset by all of this. May I ask what the huge hang up is?

As for the monster deal with AA, how many of those actually got delivered? Surely not all 527 of them.

YOWza



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12900 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
You're clearly really upset by all of this. May I ask what the huge hang up is?

Well, it would be nice for the media to check the facts they are reporting as opposed to just printing the press release they were handed. Wouldn't it be nice to have some quality reporting as opposed to organizations such as CNN having their "iReporters" which is just regular people reporting what they want?

No opinion regarding the orders, just tired of the media and their reporting habits.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
As for the monster deal with AA, how many of those actually got delivered? Surely not all 527 of them.

I believe some of them were taken by QF.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12692 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
"SEATTLE, Nov. 21, 1996 -- Boeing Commercial Airplane Group today confirmed an order by American Airlines for 103 Boeing jetliners and confirmed that the airline had arranged innovative "purchase rights" for 527 more Boeing jets over the next 20 years."

five-hundred and twenty-seven....

I doubt much cash was put in the table regarding those 527 planes, it sounds more like a gentlemen's agreement than a firm commitment. Still AA may take those 38 757s yet  Wink



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12584 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
You're clearly really upset by all of this. May I ask what the huge hang up is?

???

How can you read my mind. I was just having fun doing a little research that these paid newspaper people can't be bothered to do.  Smile

But no, I don't like liars. And I think the press has an obligation to search for truth, not just reprint PR they get from corporations.

Do you not agree with that?  confused 

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
As for the monster deal with AA, how many of those actually got delivered? Surely not all 527 of them.

More than have been delivered from the monster EK, QR and EY deals so far (zero).

If you assume that all aircraft delivered from 1998 on were from this order, 176 have been delivered. (I am not sure, as some 757s may have been from a previous order?)

17 763s
35 752s
47 772s
77 738s

And they are now taking more 737s from that announcement. But obviously they still have quite a few to go...  Wink



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

How much of the success of Boeing and Airbus in the next few years will be tied up in the success of airlines in the Gulf? Approximately one third of the orders for the A380 are from one airline - EK, and the mega orders are from EK, EY and QR. We are also seeing huge orders for single aisle planes from this part of the world.

The large airlines are in a region, which Boeing and Airbus will hope continues to be politically and economically stable. Quite a lot of the business done by the three large airlines involves carrying traffic between Europe/America and India/Pakistan. In theory, as the airlines of India expand, their non stop services from (IE) Bangalore-US West Coast should reduce the traffic that the three Gulf Carriers would carry through their hubs. Now that there are non stops between NYC and Mumbai, do people still use EK to fly the route?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12034 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 13):
How much of the success of Boeing and Airbus in the next few years will be tied up in the success of airlines in the Gulf? Approximately one third of the orders for the A380 are from one airline - EK, and the mega orders are from EK, EY and QR. We are also seeing huge orders for single aisle planes from this part of the world.

Airbus is much more beholden to the success of this region than is Boeing. 35% of the A380 orders are from 3 airlines on the fringe of Arabia. 40%+ for the A350 for those 3 carriers. Without them, both programs are struggling big time...



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11914 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
EY is claiming their order is the largest ever, EK claimed theirs was, QR claimed theirs was, etc., etc...

Clearly these airlines are run by men: we all claim that ours is the biggest!



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 11585 times:
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hopefully, one of these will show up in HKG soon.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9886 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
Clearly these airlines are run by men: we all claim that ours is the biggest!

Yes, but only one can actually be the biggest... mine.  Smile



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User currently offlineEtihadairways From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

There are a lot of great planes to use these aircrafts up to their limits and this order for sure not for show or just to blindly fallow Emirates or Qatar airways.

We have a new Mega Terminal under construction which will be a stat of the art and when it’s open by 2012 passengers will have a new experience flying with Etihad both on Ground and on the Sky’s

Etihad also investing a lot of money in new products and services and improving it’s current to make sure gusts have a wonderful experience and bring back the good old days of flying

Also this order will open a huge job opportunities for both gulf residents or any one who’s interested to move to work and Live in UAE from across the world

Congratulation to Airbus, Boeing & all Aviation Lovers


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1439 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9180 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
five-hundred and twenty-seven....

Here you go again. How many of those will ever be delivered? I am surprised this time around you didn't lu-in one of your hideous photos.  duck   biggrin 



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1907 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9125 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Do you not agree with that?

Well, yes, but I think the man in the street reading the news doesn't give a thing about it. This isn't headline news for the world, so why putting all the effort and resources in something that won't help to increase the salesnumber of your paper?

That it annoys us here at A.net sometimes is a whole other ballgame.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Don't be surprised that the press get it wrong, isn't it one of the ten commandments of the press that are set forever in newsprint 'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story'

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

Excellent and very true. They will do anything to sell.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 21):
isn't it one of the ten commandments of the press that are set forever in newsprint 'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story'




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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

That is incredible. EK really have an ambitious competitor.

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7659 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 13):
Quite a lot of the business done by the three large airlines involves carrying traffic between Europe/America and India/Pakistan. In theory, as the airlines of India expand, their non stop services from (IE) Bangalore-US West Coast should reduce the traffic that the three Gulf Carriers would carry through their hubs. Now that there are non stops between NYC and Mumbai, do people still use EK to fly the route?

Good question. It would seem that as Jet A1 becomes more expensive, coach passengers are opting for one stops which are generally cheaper than non-stops. Premium traffic on the other hand can still afford to go non-stop. So EK, EY and QR may be onto something here.

...direct links save passengers time, and airlines charge 20% more for the convenience of flying nonstop


Today, only a handful of distant city pairs generate sufficient high-paying traffic to support direct flights. Qantas shelved its "hub-busting" plan in 2005 and Chief Financial Officer Peter Gregg says that with today's fuel prices the business case is even worse.Today, airline executives say coach passengers are increasingly opting for one-stop routings, which carriers generally price below nonstops to offset the inconvenience. Without sufficient economy-class traffic, most long-haul routes become unprofitable


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121547453054734059.html



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25 YOWza : Yes but there are far better stories they could spend time researching than aircraft orders! That said inaccuracies do annoy the shit out of me. Sorr
26 N328KF : Well, since 1999 (which -- just a guess, could be when the first unit under this contract was delivered), they have 176 delivered.
27 PennPal : Truer words were never spoken! In the case of CNN, if it's bad news, they just go ahead and report it; if it's good news, they don't bother mentionin
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