787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6590 times:
Passing by BFI for the past few months, I noticed that there has been a DT 777 sitting on the ramp. Can anyone provide some info as to what Boeing or the airline is doing with their airplane in such an obscure location for them?
Looks like Kevin Scott captured it twice recently:
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6584 times:
IS TAAG Angolan airline still banned from the EU and Portugal.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11950 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
Yes, but they are doing (or have done) a deal with EuroAtlantic Airlines, whereby this carrier provides crews and maintenance, effectively operating on DT's behalf.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2220 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6461 times:
Quoting 787seattle (Thread starter): Passing by BFI for the past few months, I noticed that there has been a DT 777 sitting on the ramp. Can anyone provide some info as to what Boeing or the airline is doing with their airplane
I've been wondering the same thing. I drive by BFI at least once a week and every time I go past, I think about asking the a.net community. Thanks for beating me to it...now if someone only has the answer
Airplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 649 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
I was told that Boeing hasn't been allowed to legally deliver her... I see her every day, but haven't seen her in the air for a few weeks.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9603 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6300 times:
I read somewhere that Boeing is doing some testing with this aircraft, though I don´t know what nature these tests are. I wonder if the other two 772s are in regular service now. Shame about this beautiful aircraft, the TAAG 777s are some of the best-looking Triple Sevens.
Btw, is TAAG still operating its two 743 Combis? Last photo I´ve seen was D2-TEA from December 2007. The internet fleetlists still have them as "active"
Pacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6144 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2): Yes, but they are doing (or have done) a deal with EuroAtlantic Airlines
Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 3): So are the 777's now SA)">CS reg or still D2- if operating under EuroAtlantic?
There was indeed a big deal of speculation and allegedly negotiations in Portugal with a view for EuroAtlantic to operate the two B777s on behalf of TAAG, but nothing has "happened"!
The LAD-LIS-LAD route is operated by a SAA B747-400, but there have been times when SATA Internacional, White and EuroAtlantic also operate DT flights - possibly if the SA aircraft
is in JNB for maintenance.
About 2 months ago I saw a TAAG 747 in LAD, couldnt see reg however and more recently
saw a 777 at JNB.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6101 times:
So there is a lot of uncertainty and mistery surrounder the 777s of TAAG Angola (and probably also their 737NGs). I thought they were on the right track with the introduction of these brandnew Boeing aircraft but apparently they need more experience and better company procedures to be taken out of the black list?
I remember seeing their L15 when I was travelling through LIS back in 1994. Nice aircraft and livery!!!
787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5824 times:
Quoting Airplanenut (Reply 5): I was told that Boeing hasn't been allowed to legally deliver her
What do you mean by that? If Boeing can't deliver an airplane to a certain airline, then why would they bother to repaint it or make one in those colors?
FlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5723 times:
Quoting 787seattle (Reply 9): why would they bother to repaint it or make one in those colors?
maybe because they painted the aircraft before they knew they couldnt deliver the plane legally...............
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3932 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5502 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11): Iv read an article Boeing is currently utilizing the aircraft for tech crew training...
That was the case for a short period but I don't know if it's still happening.
Regarding reply 5 by planenut, that is rubbish as the plane was officially delivered to TAAG just before Christmas last year. There's nothing stopping TAAG flying it away but they don't want it yet because they've got nowhere to fly it due to being banned from everywhere.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
Why is TAAG banned? Is it political?
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SwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 13): Why is TAAG banned? Is it political?
TAAG is on the EU's blacklist. Not really political, but rather a safety-record related thing. Angola sees it as being political though and started banning EU Airlines into LAD...
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4782 times:
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Quoting NA (Reply 6): Btw, is TAAG still operating its two 743 Combis? Last photo I´ve seen was D2-TEA from December 2007. The internet fleetlists still have them as "active"
Yes, they are frequent visitors at GIG on the now 4x weekly LAD-GIG flight.
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A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4526 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17): Quoting NA (Reply 6):
Btw, is TAAG still operating its two 743 Combis? Last photo I´ve seen was D2-TEA from December 2007. The internet fleetlists still have them as "active"
Yes, they are frequent visitors at GIG on the now 4x weekly LAD-GIG flight.
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18): And their current T7's where are they flying right now???
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A good question, why doesn't TAAG fly their 777s on their non-European longhaul routes, I think GIG is their only non-European longhaul route, is that correct? Is it because of cargo that the 743 Combi is still used? If so than why did TAAG order/lease the 777 as replacement aircraft for the 743 Combi if it doesn't fullfill the same role on the route, cargo wise speaking?
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4522 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18): And their current T7's where are they flying right now???
They're flying LAD-JNB and LAD-DXB. However, the 747-300 is also used on the LAD-JNB route.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18): And their current T7's where are they flying right now???
Hi Ghost:
Here is the complete schedules of TAAG's international ops. As one can see, their only operational 777 is barely operating 2x weekly to Dubai and 1x a week to Lisbon (via Euro Atlantic) and does several hops to Johannesburg. Very low utilization rates don't you agree? The other 777 they have I think is stored at 4 de Febreiro. Plans to fly to Beijing and the U.S. have been shelved completely so you see why they don't need that 3rd 777 and why the rumors are so strong that it is now being offered to AeroMexico, which is desperately looking for spare 777s with precisely those type of engines.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 21): Here is the complete schedules of TAAG's international ops. As one can see, their only operational 777 is barely operating 2x weekly to Dubai and 1x a week to Lisbon (via Euro Atlantic) and does several hops to Johannesburg. Very low utilization rates don't you agree? The other 777 they have I think is stored at 4 de Febreiro. Plans to fly to Beijing and the U.S. have been shelved completely so you see why they don't need that 3rd 777 and why the rumors are so strong that it is now being offered to AeroMexico, which is desperately looking for spare 777s with precisely those type of engines.
What a waste of money....honestly.
I am sure many airlines are interested in TAAG B777s. In my view, TAAG should phase out their B747s and replace them with the more efficient T7. However, efficiency is a word which does not exist in TAAG vocabulary...
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4301 times:
Here is the complete schedules of TAAG's international ops. As one can see, their only operational 777 is barely operating 2x weekly to Dubai and 1x a week to Lisbon (via Euro Atlantic) and does several hops to Johannesburg. Very low utilization rates don't you agree? The other 777 they have I think is stored at 4 de Febreiro. Plans to fly to Beijing and the U.S. have been shelved completely so you see why they don't need that 3rd 777 and why the rumors are so strong that it is now being offered to AeroMexico, which is desperately looking for spare 777s with precisely those type of engines.
The 777 is not being flown to LIS. The deal with Euro Atlantic failed, therefore, South African flies the daily LAD-LIS route for them with a 744. Their 1x week LAD-CDG service is flown by Air France with one of their A330's. AF also flies a 1x weekly CDG-LAD with a 77W on their own. I know their website says 777 but it doesn't get updated very much. If you want to see an updated timetable for TAAG, click here.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22): In my view, TAAG should phase out their B747s and replace them with the more efficient T7. However, efficiency is a word which does not exist in TAAG vocabulary...
They would love to replace their 743's, I'm sure, but there is no way in hell that they are gonna be able to get their 777's ETOPS certified. That would be required for them to fly the LAD-GIG route. Therefore, the 743 is the only aircraft that can fly the route. The person running TAAG obviously has no clue how to run an airline.
KL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 748 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4278 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 23): I know their website says 777 but it doesn't get updated very much. If you want to see an updated timetable for TAAG, click here.
Well they basically don't have a website. The one linked above looks like it was designed by the child of one of the pilots. I guess the same child has been updating the wikipedia page on TAAG:
Quote: It is also in negotiation for a Boeing 777-300ER. It has been reported that the airline is currently in negotiation with South African Airways (SAA) to acquire more 747-400's replacing the current 777 models that TAAG own; as they are not as suited as thought to the economic structure and profitability of the routing(s) they serve.
25 Hardiwv: This is for sure. TAAG is another reflection of the corrupt and inefficient Angolan government and flights are usually full with free, voucher ticket
26 NA: There are also two ancient 732s in that picture. I thought these geriatric planes were scrapped when the 737NGs arrived. And look at that maintenance
27 Hardiwv: There is no planning in TAAG, which only serves the purpose of transport for the political and corrupt elite in Angola. TAAG flights are full with fr
28 MHTripple7: As disorganized and ridiculous DT seems, they apparently make money. Apparently the demand to Angola is very high right now because of their growing
29 NA: Seems so. There is another current thread about Sonanagol getting 3 ex-Oasis 744s!
30 Hardiwv: But this just because the Angolan government protects their market limiting foreign operations there. AF, LH, BA are only allowed one weekly flight.
31 MHTripple7: Very true. However, TAAG does have a lot of potential in terms of in-flight product. They have PTV's, mood lighting in Business and First class, and
32 MSYtristar: I know a few people who work with the weight and balance/loadplanning aspect of the airline and all I can say is that I wouldn't be caught dead on a T
33 Hardiwv: I've been asked to include the below message as an information note through a private email message so I am not responsible for the post pasted below,
34 MHTripple7: I love how getting themselves un-banned from Europe is included in those plans. [Edited 2008-08-01 05:13:55]
35 Hardiwv: I had the same question, but as I said I am just coping the message....everything is possible with TAAG! How would an ailrine with a parked B777 of n
36 The777Man: Thanks for the link to my trip report. As a passenger, I could not be aware of weight/balance issues and the cabin crew seemed well trained. As I wrot
37 WestWing: This aircraft earlier used BOE548 as the flight number. At the time of my writing this, FlightAware shows BOE548 making a trip up to PAE and a flight
38 RobK: Yes I would tend to agree normally, but where that hypothesis crumbles is the fact that the aircraft has remained with its Angolan reg throughout, wh
39 Ghost77: " target=_blank>http://taagangola.pages.web.com/page....html Hi Latinplane! Thanks a lot for the info and the pictures! It's really amazing how a mil
40 MHTripple7: Just an update, TAAG again missed their chace to get themselves off of the EU ban, which was in early July. Officials said that the problems with TAAG
41 NA: Posted in the wrong thread, sorry. [Edited 2008-08-03 06:43:51][Edited 2008-08-03 06:44:08]
42 NA: To good to be true. That would make one of the best looking aircraft in the world.
43 LipeGIG: You might take a look on their Brazilian website, it's even more complete than the one from Head Office www.taag.com.br At this time they got approva
44 NA: Gosh, what a cheap website. That was sub-standard already 10 years ago, ages in internet!
45 MHTripple7: What's even more surprising is that TAAG is capable of issuing e-tickets.
46 RobK: D2-TEF is now at Luanda for anyone interested. R
47 MHTripple7: Does anyone know what route it's gonna fly first? Or is it going to sit and do nothing in LAD like that other 777.
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