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SXM Says Goodbye To AF A320  
User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Too bad, last AF A320 flight will leave SXM on Sept.6, at 3:00 PM to PTP.

Plus, AF will finally not re-open PBM from PTP FDF & CAY.

Also, all summer charter flights from PTP to PUJ, CUN and MCO are cancelled.

Some employees are wondering if the 2nd AF A320 (F-GKXG) based in PTP since Nov.'07 will stay.

Good news !

AF A-320 F-GKXC will be soon replaced by a brand new A-320 with of course the new interior design.

AF is trying to get PAP-YUL route ... Could be a profitable route but not on a daily basis.

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8374 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
AF is trying to get PAP-YUL route ... Could be a profitable route but not on a daily basis.

what is your source?

Can they do it?

AF should use there A320 on FDF-YUL PTP-YUL SXM-YUL

PAP is serve from YUL by TS and AC on wide body A330 and B767 respectively


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8366 times:

Will the MIA Intra-Caribbean AF flights be affected?


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User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8311 times:



Quoting YULYMX (Reply 1):
Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
AF is trying to get PAP-YUL route ... Could be a profitable route but not on a daily basis.



Quoting YULYMX (Reply 1):
what is your source?

Source : A meeting with management held on June 5th; as I say ... AF is trying to get it ...

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 1):
AF should use there A320 on FDF-YUL PTP-YUL SXM-YUL

Totally agree ... AF is handling AC in PTP so don't know if that 's the reason why they don't do it


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9999 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8311 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
Too bad, last AF A320 flight will leave SXM on Sept.6, at 3:00 PM to PTP.

Yes, I don't see a source. Has AF stated this themselves? Is AF operating unprofitable from their PTP/FDF hub and flights to SXM on the A320? What about there MIA service?

We need official sources.

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8293 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 2):

No, AF 3949 will operate MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY, and AF 3952 will operate CAY-FDF-PTP-PAP-MIA 5x weekly.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8262 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Is AF operating unprofitable from their PTP/FDF hub and flights to SXM

Air Caraïbes, along with Air Antilles, (from PTP) serve both SXM and L'Espérance Airport in cooperation with AF.

[Edited 2008-07-14 18:48:18]

User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8256 times:

I'm working on these flights and know the schedules ...

You may always check on amadeus.net or airfrance.com and will see no AF flights between SXM PTP/FDF or MIA after Spet. 6 of this year

As I said, there was a meeting with managment on the 5th of June in PTP.

CAY FDF PTP PAP MIA and MIA PAP PTP FDF CAY will stay


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8264 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Is AF operating unprofitable from their PTP/FDF hub and flights to SXM

Air Caraïbes, along with Air Antilles, (from PTP) serve both SXM and L'Espérance Airport. Therefore, the AF A-320 routing at SXM is redundant.


User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8237 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
Air Caraïbes, along with Air Antilles, (from PTP) serve both SXM and L'Espérance Airport. Therefore, the AF A-320 routing at SXM is redundant.

Actually, Air Caraibes(TX) and Air Antilles Express (3S) serve the french side of St Martin (SFG) not SXM


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9999 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8197 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 9):
Actually, Air Caraibes(TX) and Air Antilles Express (3S) serve the french side of St Martin (SFG) not SXM

I thought TX flies to SXM using the Cessna Caravan nowadays?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8196 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 9):
ir Caraibes(TX) and Air Antilles Express (3S) serve the french side of St Martin (SFG) not SXM

Air Caraïbes actually flies into SXM via Saint Barthélemy, (SBH).


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8185 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 10):

Yep, TX uses the Cessna into SXM and the Fairchild Dornier 228 into SBH.


User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8166 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
I thought TX flies to SXM using the Cessna Caravan nowadays?

My apologies, TX and 3S do not fly from PTP to SXM anymore but PTP to SFG uisng respectively ATR72 & ATR42

SXM is served by TX from SBH using Cessna Caravan


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9999 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8055 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Reply 13):
My apologies, TX and 3S do not fly from PTP to SXM anymore but PTP to SFG uisng respectively ATR72 & ATR42

SXM is served by TX from SBH using Cessna Caravan

Okay so if I want to go to PTP from CUR than SXM is no option anymore. I will need to travel via PAP or SDQ? I remember reading about TX flying to SDQ or am I mistaken?

Also how is the SJO route doing for TX? Are the load factors high? They use their ERJ190 on that route but I personally still don't see a link between the French Caribbean and spanish speaking Central America, in this case SJO. Is there enough demand to warrant those flights?

A388


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 8023 times:

What's the status of AF's PAP-MIA link? Has it gone daily, or is it still 3 or 4 weekly to MIA and the rest back towards PTP?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7963 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 15):
What's the status of AF's PAP-MIA link? Has it gone daily, or is it still 3 or 4 weekly to MIA and the rest back towards PTP?

Currently daily; but will become 5w with the intra-Caribbean schedule changes coming up.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7891 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
I personally still don't see a link between the French Caribbean and spanish speaking Central America, in this case SJO. Is there enough demand to warrant those flights?

AF, (operated by Air Caraïbes) used to operate FDF-POS-CAY with an ERJ-145 in 2003. However, the route didn't preform well and was short-lived.


User currently offlineAFCDGPTP From France, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7812 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Okay so if I want to go to PTP from CUR than SXM is no option anymore. I will need to travel via PAP or SDQ? I remember reading about TX flying to SDQ or am I mistaken?

This is interesting, cause I wanted to plan a trip from PTP to CUR !

I know it sucks but you can fly TX or 3S from PTP to SFG then take a ground shuttle service between SFG and SXM.

Otherwise, AF flies 2X wk PTP SDQ, Wed. & Sat. at 4PM during summer time then once a wk on Sat.
And you're right, TX also flies PTP SDQ 4x wk using AT7 & E190

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 15):
Also how is the SJO route doing for TX? Are the load factors high? They use their ERJ190 on that route but I personally still don't see a link between the French Caribbean and spanish speaking Central America, in this case SJO. Is there enough demand to warrant those flights?

Loads factors are good; TX flies 2X wk Tues. and Thurs. at 3:55PM PTP PTY SJO.
The crew stays over night in SJO; most pax are connecting pax arriving from Paris at 12:55PM in PTP;
TX got a deal with a french Tour Operator for these two destinations


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7382 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
AF will finally not re-open PBM from PTP FDF & CAY.

Because traffic rights were not granted by the Suriname Gov.


User currently offlinePeachAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6040 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
AF is trying to get PAP-YUL route ... Could be a profitable route but not on a daily basis

If I were AF, I would not dispatch and A320 to the caribbean , unless I could get at least 8-10 hrs a day and at least 6 days a week operations out of it.

Have it sit in the sun, would seem to be a waste of resources.

My  twocents 


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5971 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):
Because traffic rights were not granted by the Suriname Gov.

Is there a reason why?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9999 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5391 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):
Because traffic rights were not granted by the Suriname Gov.

Is there a reason why?

I was thinking the same. Why does the government of Surinam not want to grant those traffic rights?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5255 times:



Quoting PeachAir (Reply 20):
If I were AF, I would not dispatch and A320 to the caribbean

Many Government officials use this service!

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Why does the government of Surinam not want to grant those traffic rights?

To protect Surinam Airways; who knows, maybe AF wanted to operate PBM-CAY-BEL.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5210 times:



Quoting AFCDGPTP (Thread starter):
Plus, AF will finally not re-open PBM from PTP FDF & CAY.

Too bad  Sad

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
I was thinking the same. Why does the government of Surinam not want to grant those traffic rights?

The Surinamese government has always been notoriously protectionist with it's traffic rights. i was hoping AF could open up a new route to PBM. MP is abandoning the AMS-PBM route, so it could've opened up some seats. But PY is bleeding money, so they need to protect the national carrier in these ways, iso making it a profitable carrier. PY is a goverment owned airline with far too many employees.



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25 A388 : Hmmm okay, talking about PY what's the status on their aircraft replacement program? I've read they were supposedly interested in secondhand 777s, A3
26 SCL767 : "After approximately sixteen years Surinam Airways has regained permission from the air transport authorities of the Unites States of America to oper
27 Kappel : Good question. It has been postponed a few times, not sure where they stand now.
28 CodyKDiamond : Any chance of AF getting a YUL-MIA-PAP? route?
29 Speedbird0125 : Does AF have a hub in Carribean route? If they do, do they also hire local crew who bases there? or crew from CDG also flies intra carribean route?
30 SCL767 : [quote=Speedbird0125,reply=29] No, Air Caraïbes has a hub in Pointe-à-Pitre at L' Aéroport International Le Raizet. AF flights are operated by CDG
31 AFCDGPTP : Most of the flight attendants are locals; they are based and live in PTP. AF has also hired locally for the 2nd A320. Those are not qualified to fly
32 SCL767 : So there is a mix of both PTP and CDG based crews operating the route simultaneously?
33 AFCDGPTP : Correct
34 SCL767 : Interesting, in regards to the second A-320, any new routes out of PTP, (e.g. PTP-PAP-YUL)?[Edited 2008-07-15 18:52:16]
35 AFCDGPTP : Nothing confirmed yet ... Just capacity increased on existing routes ( PTP FDF CAY / CAY FDF PTP PAP MIA ) and SDQ 2x wk ( will go 1x wk from Sept.)
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