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LAN Airlines Announces New Flights Between Toronto  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4997 times:
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South America's Leading Airline to Offer Service between Toronto and
Santiago, Chile, starting in September.

The company will offer five flights per week to Santiago via New York City on its modern fleet of Boeing 767 aircraft.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...0004849532&EDATE=#linktopagebottom

[Edited 2008-07-15 11:55:31]

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Welcome back to Canada LAN Chilie!

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5011 times:
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For those interested, here is a link to the official announcement:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...0004849532&EDATE=#linktopagebottom


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

And your source...

http://www.economiaynegocios.cl/noticias/noticias.asp?id=50140

It's always important.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5009 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
And your source...

I included a link to the announcement.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4981 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
I included a link to the announcement.

Yeah, about a minute before my post. Sorry Big grin



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4978 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5):
Yeah, about a minute before my post. Sorry 

No worries, I should have included it in the thread starter.


User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Here is the Itinerary:

LA 533 13456 YYZ 3 SCL I 435P 650A+1 STOP IN JFK EQP 763
LA 532 23457 SCL I YYZ 3 945P 1245P+1 STOP IN JFK EQP 763

Do Passangers have to clear customs in JFK or Not?

Regards,


OP


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4969 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 7):
Do Passangers have to clear customs in JFK or Not?

Yes - there's a need for a VISA to be a connecting passenger in the US.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

I question the economics of that operation. The cost of operating a 763 on the short JFK-YYZ-JFK sectors, and YYZ's high airport costs, is likely to be higher than the revenue they'll generate from YYZ passengers, and the JFK stop and security/immigration hassles will make LA's product less attractive than AC nonstops YYZ-SCL, never mind taking about 4 to 5 hours longer. JFK is also so delay-prone that on time performance may be affected.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4899 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The cost of operating a 763 on the short JFK-YYZ-JFK sectors, and YYZ's high airport costs, is likely to be higher than the revenue they'll generate from YYZ passengers, and the JFK stop and security/immigration hassles will make LA's product less attractive than AC nonstops YYZ-SCL, never mind taking about 4 to 5 hours longer

 checkmark  That's what I was thinking--I thought maybe a SCLLIMYYZ or even SCLGYEYYZ might be more appropriate.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4836 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I question the economics of that operation. The cost of operating a 763 on the short JFK-YYZ-JFK sectors, and YYZ's high airport costs, is likely to be higher than the revenue they'll generate from YYZ passengers, and the JFK stop and security/immigration hassles will make LA's product less attractive than AC nonstops YYZ-SCL, never mind taking about 4 to 5 hours longer. JFK is also so delay-prone that on time performance may be affected.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
checkmark That's what I was thinking--I thought maybe a SCLLIMYYZ or even SCLGYEYYZ might be more appropriate.

A tag on from JFK, even though it was not the best option - it is the best LAN has NOW. Why? Mainly because of three things:

-Airplane availability
-5th freedom rights from LIM, insufficient (approval of Open Skies is awaited)
-Consolidation of the JFK route.

These three items are basically essential to the operation.

LAN's business model includes three subsidiaries that share airplanes - these are LAN Chile, LAN Perú and LAN Ecuador. The rotation of the airplanes would actually be affected significantly if there was a plane dedicated to this route on the days mentioned in the article (all but Monday and Saturday).

Perú has limited the granting of 5th freedom rights to LAN Airlines, therefore LAN had to revert a lot of their peruvian international operation back to SCL. That's why we now have SCL-LAX-SCL and SCL-JFK-SCL. Those flights were exclusively done through LIM to obtain better loads and yields.

So far, the JFK route has seen a frequency increase - so therefore - there could be a marginal increase in the income generated by this route's tag on to YYZ, and strengthen it's performance.

Saludos.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4831 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

YYZ-YUL-SCL or a YYZ-MIA-SCL could do better time wise


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

I find that the route will struggle because AC will start operating SCL nonstop from YYZ B767 at the end of the year. AC has decided to split SCL and EZE and both destinations will receive nonstop service.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
South America's Leading Airline

South America no. 1 ailrine is TAM - whatever measure you use, number of planes or number of pax or number of destinations served.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4807 times:
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Would a service 3 times weekly nonstop from SCL to YYZ been better. Stopping at JFK is questionable. I think its great LAN wants to fly to Canada.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4702 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 14):
South America no. 1 ailrine is TAM

The press release refers to LAN as being, "South America's Leading Airline".

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
YYZ-MIA-SCL could do better time wise

LA codeshares with AA on MIA-YYZ-MIA.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4672 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
The press release refers to LAN as being, "South America's Leading Airline".

I am making a correction in the statement. The leader is South America and in fact Latin America is TAM. Indeed, TAM became the leading airline in the Southern Hemisphere.

Rgs,


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4628 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
The leader is South America and in fact Latin America is TAM. Indeed, TAM became the leading airline in the Southern Hemisphere

Considering?

Saludos,


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
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Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 17):
Considering?

Good question!


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4588 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
I find that the route will struggle because AC will start operating SCL nonstop from YYZ B767 at the end of the year

AC have been flying YYZ-SCL non-stop for ages. Routes YYZ-SCL-EZE-SCL-YYZ.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4579 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 17):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
The leader is South America and in fact Latin America is TAM. Indeed, TAM became the leading airline in the Southern Hemisphere

Considering?



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Good question!

Both of you, got to read before posting!!!!

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
South America no. 1 ailrine is TAM - whatever measure you use, number of planes or number of pax or number of destinations served.




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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4579 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 19):
AC have been flying YYZ-SCL non-stop for ages. Routes YYZ-SCL-EZE-SCL-YYZ.

Yes, and will be switched to two different flights, 5x weekly:

YYZ-EZE and YYZ-SCL

Saludos.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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"Greater Toronto Airports Authority welcomes new LAN Airlines service to Toronto"; enclosed in a link to the official GTAA statement:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2008/15/c4859.html

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 20):
Both of you, got to read before posting!!!!

Purely anecdotal.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

It is strange, at times when larger airlines are avoiding these type of tag-ons which can result very costly, LAN comes up with this new idea. They obviously must know something we don't.

AmericanEagle operates this route. Do oneworld members codeshare with AmericanEagle, or just with American mainline?


SA.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4406 times:
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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 23):
AmericanEagle operates this route. Do oneworld members codeshare with AmericanEagle, or just with American mainline?

Currently, LA 5598 (JFK-YYZ) and LA 5597 (YYZ-JFK) are operated by American Eagle with an Embraer RJ-135. LA also places its code on mainline AA flights to and from YYZ too. However, given that AA will be parking the RJ-135's, I do not know if this codeshare will be maintained.

[Edited 2008-07-15 15:46:33]

25 Dellatorre : In terms of numbers TAM is bigger than LAN no question about it, but considering other aspects such as service quality, reliability and abroad recogn
26 SCL767 : Well stated! And also it's worldwide network in cooperation with other Oneworld Alliance partners.
27 Flyyul : Awful decision. Lan, in this fuel environment, is going to use a B763 on a short sector, at the world's most expensive airport to land at? Just keep t
28 UPPERDECKFAN : Beyond that, chileans will have to get a US and a Canadian visa to get to YYZ on this flight
29 Babybus : If they didn't stop in JFK I'd consider doing this flight as I'd like to see YYZ and I'm planning a trip to SCL in November anyway. Unfortunately I do
30 SCL767 : Business demand from SCL; also, this flight will allow connections from LIM to YYZ and will also pick up passengers in JFK travelling to YYZ. LAN has
31 Hardiwv : Fleet size, number of pax, number of destinations (domestic or international), to name a few. TAM is the no. 1 airline of South America, Latin Americ
32 SCL767 : Factor in the size and population of Chile vs. that of Brazil. And also that LAN has seen a 10% rise in traffic since this time last year. TAM may be
33 Post contains links Hardiwv : TAM is the leading airline of South America, Latin America and the Southern Hemisphere. TAM will end 2008 with 123 airplanes: 4 B77Ws, 2 B763s, and 1
34 SCL767 : TAM's hubs and focus cities are ALL based in Brazil. However, unlike TAM, LAN has a central hub AND focus cities in four different South American cou
35 Hardiwv : TAM has a hub in ASU as well - TAM Mercosur is part of TAM Airlines. Anyway, if you combine all of LAN hubs in South America they are still much smal
36 SCL767 : Still, your focusing on Brazil; even though it is the largest country in South America and TAM is the largest airline. TAM does not represent the maj
37 MotorHussy : Bit of a contradiction in terms really. Surprised some Australian a.nutter hasn't chewed you for this. QF surely wears this mantle. Regards MH
38 SCL767 : Good point, since Australia is entirely located in the Southern Hemisphere; whereas Brazil is not! Also, TAM does not fly to Australia, but LA operat
39 Post contains links and images Hardiwv : This is diverting the discussion and will be my last reply. Anything else pls send me a private message. As a consolation, you can say that LAN is the
40 SCL767 : I don't need a consolidation; your argument regarding TAM's status as South America's leading airline is baseless. What concept? You did not mention
41 Hardiwv : Along with consolidating leadership in the Brazilian market, TAM has also recently assumed operating leadership in the southern hemisphere, according
42 MD11junkie : Sorry, and no offense to anyone, especially to my friend Hardiwv. But - Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - has TAM to do with this thread? Please, lets continue
43 Viscount724 : If you limit the discussion to international routes, isn't LA's longhaul widebody fleet much larger than TAM's?
44 Arcano : Indeed, at first time I thought why not MIA instead of JFK, aircraft availability perhaps? after all I think SCL-MIA a/c are used later as Lan Ecuado
45 Post contains links RJ_Delta : I don't care which company is bigger than the other but there are different points to make a comparison. The reason why LAN chose to stop in JFK was
46 Airbus767 : I don't believe this was mentioned, but will LA532/LA533 continue to fly to EZE as it does now, or will it be separated and just be YYZ-JFK-SCL and ba
47 Nickofatlanta : However if you use revenue passenger miles, I suspect you'll find that QF Group (including Jetstar) will be larger than JJ.
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