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BA To Cut Capacity By 5% In Winter!  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11861 times:

According to http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...airwaysbusiness.theairlineindustry ,
BA will cut capacity by 5% during the winter months and freeze hiring. Frequencies will be reduced and only 2 routes will be axed.

The detailed plan will be reveled next month.

I wonder which routes will be cut?!


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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11787 times:

On the reduction side my 2 cents go for LAX going back to 2x744 and PHX going to 3-4wk, let's see.....


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5319 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11727 times:

Perhaps the long awaited axing of Sydney?

Gotta be expensive to fly those birds all that way with such low yields....


In syaing thta I'm sure they will be European or North American flights that get reduced the most as those are the ecoenomies hurting currently


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11676 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 1):
On the reduction side my 2 cents go for LAX going back to 2x744

That is what hit me first also. I am sure that they will reduce the LAX service. But I wonder which of the departures. I am booked on BA282 on 21st December and I hope it wont be that flight.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11454 times:

How will BA reduce their flying by 5% for the winter schedule whilst reatining their LHR slots ?
as there's no way they will want to give up even one slot.
In order to do this they will have to either transfer flights from LGW to LHR, or expand short haul flying from LHR.
Both ways are fraught with problems; if you shift a route from LGW the regulars will be unhappy, especially if you move it back 6 months later; if you commence a new short haul route and then cancle it to reinstate long haul this isn't likely to go down well either.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11433 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
In order to do this they will have to either transfer flights from LGW to LHR

They could transfer BGI and BDA to LHR from LGW.


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11322 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
How will BA reduce their flying by 5% for the winter schedule whilst reatining their LHR slots ?
as there's no way they will want to give up even one slot.

If BA axes BKK-SYD and SIN-SYD they wouldn't lose any slots at LHR.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11282 times:

If AA weren't switching from 777s to 767s on the Boston-London route I think that BA might go from 3x daily on that route down to 2x. They still may do it, even with AA yanking seats themselves.

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11279 times:

Going to be an interesting winter then I take it.

Announcement due within the next few weeks from info at the AGM yesterday.


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11202 times:



Quoting Trekster (Reply 8):
from info at the AGM yesterday

I sat in the front row, directly opposite to Willie Walsh and Martin Broughton. There was nothing said on the subject at the AGM yesterday.

The Guardian report was created from 'Speaking to reporters after the annual meeting'

Martin Broughton's comments at the AGM were also taken out of context.

What woul we do without our wonderful hacks?



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11165 times:

The official announcement is to be 1st Aug. The same day as Q1 results are announced.

User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

They don't specify if the two routes to be chopped will be longhaul, continental or domestic - so it could include something as anti-climactic as Dublin.

If a long-haul route gets cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Atlanta - it's the only nom-leisure route remaining from LGW, and it's probably BA's weakest US destination.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

It could well be that LGW routes will get cut - one wonders which ones though. They will certainly not want to lose their LHR slots and would juggle services from LGW to there to keep those authorities. BGI and BDA are indeed strong candidates for a LHR move should the route reductions be greatest at LHR. In any case WAW will return to LHR later this year so something would be shifted over there.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

Also the latest from a couple of chief pilots is that BA will ground all 12 remaining 757's . The reason behind it is the planned cuts in European and domestic shorthaul flights during winter 08/09.

The A320 is far more fuel efficent than the 752 and the exisiting routes will be covered by A320 aircraft. Also this will mean that the aircraft will be available for Openskies conversion as and when Openskies require them.

The Longhaul 767's are to stay as they are making fairly good money on the curent Longhaul routes served. There is also talk on this thread of BA pulling out of SYD. This will not happen especially in light of QF's very pure punctuality performance on the Kangaroo routes. However I can see BKK moving from a 744 to a 772 from the winter season as they are far more fuel efficent.

[Edited 2008-07-16 06:13:31]

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10921 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
If a long-haul route gets cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Atlanta - it's the only nom-leisure route remaining from LGW, and it's probably BA's weakest US destination.

I wwas just thinking the same. There is no way BA is going to cut routes from LHR.

But what is interesting is, that BA is going to get the ex BMED slots this winter and they got some others for the first time this winter like the ex GT ones. So BA needs to depleoy them well and we might see some LGW routes tranferred to LHR.

I have checked their domestic network and it seems to me that EDI and GLA have lost one frequency this winter. The last departure from LHR to GLA is at 18:45 which is not attractive for business pax. Is it an error or could someone confirm that?



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10887 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 14):
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Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 14):
I have checked their domestic network and it seems to me that EDI and GLA have lost one frequency this winter. The last departure from LHR to GLA is at 18:45 which is not attractive for business pax. Is it an error or could someone confirm that?

GLA/LHR has lost one rotation. So far EDI/LCY the only route to have frequency changes now 9 times a day instead of the 10 which will operate Sept- Oct this year.

The a/c that currently operates the EDI/LCY lost rotation will be redeployed on the LCY/FRA route to increase the schedule from 3 to 4 per day.

LHR/EDI still 11 flight per day, LGW/EDI to remain 6 per day. However this could all change when the announcement comes on the 1st


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10885 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
How will BA reduce their flying by 5% for the winter schedule whilst reatining their LHR slots ?

Simple: get rid of 757s, replace these by 319/320s (obtained from current orders), ground some 744s, replace by current 777s and move the rest of the shorthaul 767s to Worldwide... That should account to a 5% reduction in capacity (combined with a 2 route losses)...

Capacity reduction doesn't mean axing of routes or cancelling of services as a necessity, aircraft changes can do the trick!


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10857 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7):
If AA weren't switching from 777s to 767s on the Boston-London route I think that BA might go from 3x daily on that route down to 2x. They still may do it, even with AA yanking seats themselves.

I doubt BOS would see that large of a drop on service to London, AA switching the 2 flights down to 763s and BA cutting one frequency. If this were to happen, the other 2 BOS-LHR flights on BA would be bumped up to 744s and the third flight would come back on for April-October.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4070 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

I reckon that there is no chance at all of BA dropping any frequencies out of LHR. The slots there are worth too much.
I am sure we will see the B737-500 being taken out of service early at LGW and frequencies being dropped on routes out of LGW. This will be a great help as BA B737 pilots at LGW are being retrained on the A319, and a drop of LGW shorthaul flying would help greatly.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10719 times:
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Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 1):
On the reduction side my 2 cents go for LAX going back to 2x744 and PHX going to 3-4wk, let's see.....

How are the loads on their LAX flights during the slow season?
At least for UK & EU orginating traffic, PHX is high season while the majority of the US is not because of the generally favorable weather they have during the Winter season.

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
If a long-haul route gets cut, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Atlanta - it's the only nom-leisure route remaining from LGW, and it's probably BA's weakest US destination.

LGW-ATL-LGW does that poorly? Is that because DL offers a more frequencies to LGW as well as LHR now?


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10699 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 13):
However I can see BKK moving from a 744 to a 772 from the winter season as they are far more fuel efficent.

Why would they downgrade a route during it's busiest period of the year? Most return economy tickets between London and Sydney over the christmas period will go for around £1500-£2000. If anything were to happen to the Kangaroo route, I could see BA15/16 being upgraded to a 744 over the peak period.


User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10691 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 16):
ground some 744s, replace by current 777s and move the rest of the shorthaul 767s to Worldwide

Alan I thought that 777's were thin on the ground at the moment especially with the loss in the BA38 incident??.

Also cant see the SH 67's going WW as they are needed on routes like DME where we have nothing else in the fleet that can off 100+ J seats per flight, and DME is a massive cash cow.


User currently offlineSwissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

I don't think ATL-LGW-ATL performs poorly at all. I have flown it in J and it does quite well.

Some days, the flight is also operated with F-class, and don't be fooled, their are a number of loyal F BA pax in ATL. In fact, many of our previous ATL based honored Circle members of the Swissair days (who by the way, always flew FULL FARE F-CLASS on the ATL-ZRH and the LAX-ZRH runs), now fly BA in F.

The BA2226/2227 also does VERY well in cargo, several tons a flight.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10644 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 17):
I doubt BOS would see that large of a drop on service to London, AA switching the 2 flights down to 763s and BA cutting one frequency. If this were to happen, the other 2 BOS-LHR flights on BA would be bumped up to 744s and the third flight would come back on for April-October.

3 routes are strongly rumoured to be pulled however these are LED from LHR and POZ, NQY and DRS from LGW.

Also frequency reductions are expected BA's EDI/LGW service from 6 to 5, Loosing BA2934/2935 due to the 737-300/500 being removed off the route and a full schedule of A319's being brought in meaning that there is not a real loss in capacity just frequency.

North American Capacity Changes:

From September 2nd LHR/ORD will go from 2 x 744 and 1 x 772 daily to 1 x 744, 1x 772 and 1x 763 daily

EWR will go from 2 x 772 and 1 x 763 daily to 1 x 744, 1 x772 and 1 x 763 daily except Saturday which will see 1 x 772 and 1 x 763.

Also previously announced

YYC will go from a 772 configured 14F/48J/40W/124Y to a 763 configured 24J/24W/141Y for winter 08/09


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10635 times:



Quoting Swissair4ever (Reply 22):
I don't think ATL-LGW-ATL performs poorly at all. I have flown it in J and it does quite well.

Some days, the flight is also operated with F-class, and don't be fooled, their are a number of loyal F BA pax in ATL. In fact, many of our previous ATL based honored Circle members of the Swissair days (who by the way, always flew FULL FARE F-CLASS on the ATL-ZRH and the LAX-ZRH runs), now fly BA in F.

The BA2226/2227 also does VERY well in cargo, several tons a flight.

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This route is now the strongest performer at LGW folowed by BDA. The reason it has not been transfered as yet is due to the lack of suitable slot times BA want to keep the flight to as close as possibly to the current schedule.


25 B747forever : Can one of the LAX flights be downgraded to a 777 instead of the 747??
26 BALHRWWCC : Could be. I think 2 x 772 and 1 x 744 on the BA269 would best suit this market in the winter. As the BA269 connex to QF services to NZ and OZ
27 APYu : I think BA will do lots more of last minute cancellations on the short haul routes to achieve some of the cost savings they need this winter. Cancelli
28 MAH4546 : And where would these 744s magically come from? Because they surely aren't going to pull 744s off denser winter routes like South Africa, Hong Kong,
29 B752OS : Well as someone in here has already speculated, LAX could see a cut so there's one. Also, I am pretty sure MIA, LAX, HKG and South Africa aren't the
30 SCL767 : We might see the BA 767s operating at least one daily LHR-BOS-LHR and LHR-ORD-LHR come this winter. Strong possibility, especially since AF entered t
31 Yellowtail : Remember BA has to find 2 744 for the previously announced upgrade of IAH from 2X777 to 2X744 daily.
32 MAH4546 : No, hence the use of the word “like.” It is very unlikely BOS-LHR will go to 2x daily. However, just because it does doesn’t mean that the capa
33 SCL767 : Interesting, will free up 777s though.
34 Planesarecool : Most likely JFK, which will see three of the eight dailies operated by 777s from Heathrow this Winter, compared to just one throughout the Summer. Se
35 B752OS : How many airlines are adding trans con flights right now? Pretty much none. Of course B6 is not going to go double daily on BOS-SAN, but I think ther
36 MAH4546 : It will free up 763s. AA is closing the BOS 777 base and ending 777 service to Boston on 01NOV08. With the retirement of the A300s, which will be sen
37 SCL767 : Exactly, they can finally attempt the morning MIA-LHR long-awaited service.
38 Lambert747 : LAX reduced from 747-400 to 777-200? Not if British Airways wants to maintain its premium audience in the LAX market. LAX is much to much of a premiu
39 Sketty222 : You have to remember though that BA's 777's are about to have the new Club World re-fit starting early next year and this could have an impact on the
40 B752OS : Is AA trying to fend off DL and CO to Latin America by beefing up service there? I wonder how real of a threat ATL is to taking over MIA as the leadi
41 Yellowtail : ZERO. Latin Americans want to go to shopping in Miami Not Atlanta....they want to own condos on Miami Beach not on Peachtree.... The best DL will be
42 MAH4546 : No, but there is paid premium demand for routes like MIA-MAD and MIA-SCL right now, that AA isn't seeing on BOS-LHR, hence the 777 switching. 0%. Atl
43 AIR MALTA : The Guardian announced 2 routes to be cut. I can't see LED being dropped. But we might see NQY and DRS go. DRS was a strange addition to me. BA does
44 Carduelis : One route, already announced, is MANJFKMAN
45 BAStew : I think we will see a lot of this also. The inflight service manager has already mentioned in his weekly floorplate meetings that there will be a lot
46 HB-IWC : While I certainly don't want to dispute your point about BA's premium traffic at LAX, I do believe there is room for cutting some P seats. Take a loo
47 Mutu : Sure but thats substituted by LGW/JFK/LGW And LHR/HYD/LHR starts this winter... As someone already said, there was a planned 3% INCREASE in capacity
48 Misbeehavin : This was reported some time ago (so things may have changed a bit since):
49 Misbeehavin : (continued)
50 Theginge : All this talk of reducing capacity by swapping a 744 for a 777 forgets the issue of where BA gets the 777 from!! If they take a 777 from one route the
51 CityofAthens : The latest I have read from the AGM as reported by the FT: - No aircraft will be grounded (confirmed by Willie Walsh, BA CEO) - the longhaul schedule
52 BALHRWWCC : 744 won't go SIN/SYD as BA have noticed a great saving in fuel since the 772 has taken over. The 772 on the BKK is not a matter of if but when!!!. Th
53 FlyCaledonian : I don't think BA will gor for 'strategic' cancellations. That was one of the things that started hurting GT in its final couple of years as a BA franc
54 Post contains links BALHRWWCC : 4 x NEW 772 enter the fleet Q1 they are G-YMMR -Jan 09, G-YMMS& T - Mar09, G-YMMU - early Apr09 Very likely by removing the 12 x 752 as BA have anoth
55 Theginge : Not much help at the start of Summer 09, and also one is replacing G-YMMM!
56 BALHRWWCC : G-YMMM's replacement has been sourced and will be announced shortly. BA had pre G-YMMM 5 x stby 772's at LHR.
57 A340600 : ORD has been 767 before, I know because i've flown it. I'm not sure if it's winter only though as this was in Feb. It isn't technically substituted a
58 MAH4546 : Yes, they currently do lose money on BOS-LHR; the daylight flight drags it down, and they don't get many paid F passengers. Rightsizing to the 763 sh
59 BALHRWWCC : Normally end of Oct to Beginning of Mar only
60 ZuluTime : 33 x A319 (EUOA-OI, EUPA-PZ) 28 x A320 (BUSG-SK, EUUA-UX) 11 x A321 (EUXC-XM) 33+28+11 = 72, not 90!
61 B752OS : From what I have been told from people in the know, the BOS-LHR flights do make a profit, not a huge one, but they do make money for AA. The 763 will
62 MAH4546 : In 2007, the route operated in the red. Simple as that. In 2006, it did make money, but it still was the worst performing Heathrow route. Traditional
63 B752OS : I am going to agree to disagree with you on this because you are hearing one thing and I am hearing the another.
64 Flyyul : Mah4546, You have absolutely no proof of AA's performance. I dont even care what you've heard. The profit/loss numbers are shared exclusively by a sel
65 Lambert747 : Dont be so quick to write off Miami. Take a look at the daily ORD 777 rotations and look at the daily MIA 777 operations this winter. American Airlin
66 SCL767 : Yep, soon to be T7 HeAAven! AA will operate MIA-LHR-MIA (777) 10x weekly this winter. There has been talk of adding a daylight flight on the MIA-LHR
67 LACA773 : Where can we find what the load factors are on particular routes such as LAX-LHR? During the summer is it safe to assume the LF's on BA's 3 LAX-LHR f
68 MAH4546 : It will have 10w 777s come November; though part of it's excellent performance - the single best performing trans-Atlantic route in AA's network in 2
69 Hotelmode : They are replacing the A319s going to Gatwick not 757s.
70 Hotelmode : That would mean using 3 of the 4 new 777s on the LHR-BKK-SYD route. Until they fit bunks in the majority of the 777 fleet (only the YMMs have them at
71 Sketty222 : Do you know if these will be fitted with NCW? It would make sense to have them fitted upon delivery rather than having to take them out of service ag
72 Acelanzarote : Perhaps BA is taking a China Southern 777 to replace G-YMMM, perhaps they will take them all if the price is right. Who knows?
73 Bongodog1964 : I think I can detect a pattern here
74 Sketty222 :
75 TristarSteve : They are being delivered direct to Cardiff where they will have Overhead Crew rest fitted and NCW seats. MMR is delivered 21 Jan, and leaves Cardiff
76 Planesarecool : So basically what I said then... Surely that can be said for any route? Sydney is one of BA's most profitable destinations over the Winter, and movin
77 Post contains links BALHRWWCC : Hands up got that wrong. Got info from this website, http://www.jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/ba.htm Which is usually reliable. As you can see the
78 B752OS : Aside from knowing someone with direct information about flights, it can be tough to find stats on things such as that as many airlines don't want to
79 CO1787 : 14X744 to IAH!! Wow. That is going to be an impressive line-up over at D. With the LH 744 and KLM 744 and soon to be Emirates A380.
80 Mutu : Well you are absolutely correct of course, as I believe I am too! My response was simply to a post that sugested MANJFKMAN was the "first" casualty o
81 Trintocan : It's interesting how a thread about BA's capacity cuts in the near fuiture has also become a discussion on AA's operations from LHR to MIA and BOS...
82 SCL767 : Very true, passengers from GCM, PLS, and NAS also use AA to LHR.
83 VV701 : I believe that BA have already discontinued the extension of one weekly NAS 763 flight to PLS. Can anyone confirm this and, if so, when the extension
84 Misbeehavin : It's not been withdrawn. LHR-NAS-PLS still operates on Sundays. BA would need to route pax through Miami on the other 6 days though.
85 Aisak : Now you say this... Only 6 out of 13 BA's 757 are ETOPS capable (I think). That means only 6 aircrafts are suitable to be transfered to Openskies and
86 VV701 : Many thanks for your clarification.
87 Boeingluvr : Okay two questions regarding BA. First, does anyone think this will effect ticket prices this winter as they are already low during that season, do yo
88 Viscount724 : BA website shows this change effective October 26.
89 Boeingluvr : Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90 Pbb152 : EK A380 service to IAH is in no way confirmed as of yet. I think we are all cautiosly optimistic in Houston, but let's not count our chickens before
91 Sketty222 : It definately hasn been withdrawn as yet and I havnt heard any news on it being cut either. Fingers crossed it doesnt as I believe its got quite high
92 ZuluTime : I had heard that Gatwick-Dresden was one on the chopping board.
93 APYu : Willie has said prices will rise unfortunately to cope with the oil price crisis. He said cutting fares simply wasnt an option. But than again what i
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