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Panel Falls Off Delta Jet Onto Highway  
User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11678 times:

Didn't see this posted, but quite interesting.

Right after take-up from Lambert (St. Louis) a panel the size of a small garbage can fell off a Delta MD88 and took a chunk out of a highway.

Plane was heading to Atlanta and after pilot heard a noise and an engine shut down so he returned.

I wonder how this happened? What the people on the ground thought/saw?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...4A99886257487007B3626?OpenDocument

Discuss.

Brian


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User currently offlineWepaman From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Just saw it in Fox News...


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Didn't something like this happen to another carrier in the past couple of weeks?


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User currently onlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

Uncontained engine failure? Good to hear everyone was ok on the ground and in the plane...


Cha brro
User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11145 times:



Quoting PlateMan (Thread starter):
What the people on the ground thought/saw?

630am, people probably rolled over and pressed snooze on the alarm clock.



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11014 times:



Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
Didn't something like this happen to another carrier in the past couple of weeks?

It happened to US Airways a few months back. A similar sized part of a 757 wing fell off during approach into CLT.



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User currently onlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10956 times:

Whappeh, agreed, but there is no reason to feed into those people. I am a huge Delta fan but completely understand that these things happen to every and all airlines, with old and new equiptment, despite maintenance practices...


Cha brro
User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Delta had to change the engine and the A/C is to ferry to ATL
at 1730(STL time) today (16JUL08)
KD


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

I suprised the press reports didnt include how the pilot struggled with controls while managing to avoid a Hospital/school/old peoples home etc etc

I was on a Easyjet flight out of Inverness a few years back (i think around 1999/2000) and about 20-25 mins after departure, the captain made an announcement that a "section of wing" had been seen departing the aircraft by a passenger, and he was sending the FO to have a "jolly good look".

The FO had a look, and another announcement from the captain was made, saying that there was a panel missing from the wing, but we would be dropping down to around 15000ft and slowing the plane right down, to see if the flaps worked and if they did, how the aircraft handled when in that configuration.

All that happened without a hitch and in the Capts own words "we will try for Luton now", approach seemed normal, allthough the landing was very firm....Slowing down and turning off the runway, there seemed to be every fire truck and ambulance in a 30 mile radius of Luton waiting for is.



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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

Sadly, bits falling off happens now and then- cowlings, leading edges, assorted access panels, etc. Human Factors training can have a big effect on these issues. When the safety nets are in place, and followed properly, these incidents are greatly reduced. One place I worked had an inflight turnback, failure to pressurize. No big surprise, considering there was a panel missing that was big enough for a person to crawl through! Between maintenance, and departure, at least 6 people had a chance to catch this problem, and no one saw it.
That's one of the drawbacks to nightshift maintenance, it's so damn easy to miss something when you're fatigued.


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

I just saw the report... I had to check here before I could believe it from Fox...


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9972 times:



Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 3):
Uncontained engine failure?

This one sounds like the exhaust plug. That might throw off the airflow in the engine enough to cause a shutdown, I'm not sure.

Tom.


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Unfortunately these things do happen. Funny thing is I was reading about a similar inciident in the latest Flying magazine. In this case a Cessna Jet was involved (in Van Nuys, CA). NTSB still isn't sure what exactly happened, but it seemed pretty much carelessness. What happened was, the nose baggage compartment wasn't secure and the hatch flew open on takeoff at around 200 AGL. The hatch didn't fly off, but instead, it appeared the which ever pilot was actually flying, slowed the aircraft (maybe so the hatch wouldn't separate from the aircraft?) on takeoff and stalled it and crashed the plane. Very interesting article.

Actually, this is the report from NTSB.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070123X00090&key=1

After reading this, it doesn't sound like that much of an uncommon occurance.

Just glad everyone involved with the DL turned out okay.



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

IIRC, the Cessna 400 and 500 series have a published emergency procedure for open baggage doors in flight.


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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Years ago I worked on a Piper Aztec, and the next day it crashed, killing 4, after the bag door opened in flight. Although my work had nothing to do with the door, it's a crappy feeling when an aircraft you've worked on goes down. Anyone in General Aviation can tell you similar stories.

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Supposedly, even if a door opens, even in the nose, it's not supposed to be a sole cause for a crash on take off, as long as the pilot doesn't cut the power. It's a hard call to an armchair pilot like me, but I'm thinking I'll risk the forward door being ripped off and doing structural damage to the airframe, if it makes my chances of getting back on the ground safer. I digress, this is about the DL flight dropping a panel off. Their circumstances sound a lot different. I wasn't there, but this is probably something that even doing a preflight wouldn't catch. A lot of aircraft take quite a bit of stress, and are built for it. Things happen that not even the mx guys can catch. Anyone mention the crack in the cockpit windscreen of the UA flight from DEN to Calgary yesterday? It doesn't happen that often but happens more often than reported in the press. It's really no big deal. If you're around aircraft all day, you'll see a lot of quick fix "tape jobs". That's some good tape too. Then again that UA flight had to divert and the pax got bussed to Calgary. Even though, the press makes it sound a lot worse than it really is.


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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2282 times:



Quoting Avt007 (Reply 9):
That's one of the drawbacks to nightshift maintenance, it's so damn easy to miss something when you're fatigued.

Plus the night shift maintenance guys have the lowest seniority due to bidding rules.

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 9):
Sadly, bits falling off happens now and then- cowlings, leading edges, assorted access panels, etc. Human Factors training can have a big effect on these issues.

Especially when the bit falling off causes a Concorde to crash killing everybody on board, and the French government charges the maintenance workers at Continental with manslaughter.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 8):
I was on a Easyjet flight out of Inverness a few years back (i think around 1999/2000) and about 20-25 mins after departure, the captain made an announcement that a "section of wing" had been seen departing the aircraft by a passenger, and he was sending the FO to have a "jolly good look".

I actually know a woman who wanted to sit over the wing so she can keep an eye on it and inform the captain if anything is amiss.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16):
I actually know a woman who wanted to sit over the wing so she can keep an eye on it and inform the captain if anything is amiss.

Sorry. Come to think of it, the woman was Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet) in Keeping Up Appearance from the BBC. Surely there couldn't be any real people like her out there, could there?


User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

The Minnesota National Guard just had a panel fall off one of their choppers a few days ago.
It hasn't been found yet.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2164 times:



Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
Didn't something like this happen to another carrier in the past couple of weeks?

It happend to an AA 763 from DFW-CDG. The flight landed at CDG with no problem. This does suck, but it happens to all carriers.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2121 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 16):
Especially when the bit falling off causes a Concorde to crash killing everybody on board, and the French government charges the maintenance workers at Continental with manslaughter.

Other than not really being applicable to the thread, you're also letting facts get in the way of trying to score a brownie point. It was a different scenario in that a knowingly wrong part was fitted to that aircraft......it was thus negligence and not merely an 'accidental occurrance'. (and which do happen). Get it correct!


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