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AA Brings Back SJU-LAX As Of November  
User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 537 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4719 times:
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Along with SJU-BWI the SJU-LAX route is coming back in november 4 times a week..

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

SJU-LAX, is that a 757 route????? I don't think the 737-800 can do it west bound??

User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

I am finding the whole SJU cutbacks VERY interesting...very. In terms of flights, they have brought back two after the blitz of cuts, slowly trickeling back....any thoughts to this being a management technique????? (clear house, slowly bring some back). I have seen it done over and over and over again with other compaies.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4427 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
SJU-LAX, is that a 757 route????? I don't think the 737-800 can do it west bound??

Didn't this used to run with a 763 for a period?


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

This route has been kinda crazy. 1st started as 767-300 then went 763 seasonal while the remaining seasons were 757. Then switched to 757 if I recall correctly...anyone care to confirm?

Nice that it is coming back!

Some light at the end of the tunner for the diehard AA community down in SJU...



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

What about SJU-EWR? This route used to be 3x a day some 5 years ago. AA i'm sure did well on this route for years and there are plenty of Puerto Ricans and cruise traffic in Jersey to justify it. If AA can make PHL work with competition of US, why can't they make it work from EWR with CO? Seems like AA ran scared out of EWR recently with the loss of SJU, RDU, seasonal EGE and 1x day on LAX come november. It's just awful.


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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2047 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4185 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 5):
What about SJU-EWR? This route used to be 3x a day some 5 years ago. AA i'm sure did well on this route for years and there are plenty of Puerto Ricans and cruise traffic in Jersey to justify it. If AA can make PHL work with competition of US, why can't they make it work from EWR with CO? Seems like AA ran scared out of EWR recently with the loss of SJU, RDU, seasonal EGE and 1x day on LAX come november. It's just awful.

Well, they just have to most prudently allocate their resources in this environment. In other words, there is more low hanging fruit elsewhere.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 2):
I am finding the whole SJU cutbacks VERY interesting...very.



Definitely interesting!

So what is getting cut is from SJU mainline is now only FLL (concentrating on MIA), MCO, EWR (concentrating on JFK) and IAD. Am I missing any.

[Edited 2008-07-16 21:22:42]

User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3827 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 5):
What about SJU-EWR? This route used to be 3x a day some 5 years ago. AA i'm sure did well on this route for years and there are plenty of Puerto Ricans and cruise traffic in Jersey to justify it. If AA can make PHL work with competition of US, why can't they make it work from EWR with CO? Seems like AA ran scared out of EWR recently with the loss of SJU, RDU, seasonal EGE and 1x day on LAX come november. It's just awful.

My partner is doing an EWR-SJU trip this month. Its a VEEERY senior line. I am so surprised at AA pulling back this flight. I suspect it's going to re-appear shortly...stay tuned. From a perspective of staffing, AA will only have 2 flights now that qualify as INTERNATIONAL out of EWR...and these trips would involve MIA first. SJU was the only other as of late. For the record...Its always FULL...which is not a profit indication, but needless to say...something is right.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3740 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 5):
Seems like AA ran scared out of EWR recently with the loss of SJU, RDU, seasonal EGE and 1x day on LAX come november. It's just awful

But with JFK to serve NYC it's not surprising that EWR is getting cutback. Just like CO pulling out of JFK,



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3731 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 8):
My partner is doing an EWR-SJU trip this month. Its a VEEERY senior line. I am so surprised at AA pulling back this flight. I suspect it's going to re-appear shortly...stay tuned. From a perspective of staffing, AA will only have 2 flights now that qualify as INTERNATIONAL out of EWR...and these trips would involve MIA first. SJU was the only other as of late. For the record...Its always FULL...which is not a profit indication, but needless to say...something is right.

Damn! I knew it was always full! Thanks for your input. This must be a call by upper management to take it down, and I think this is seriously one of the most idiotic route cuts for this year. Dallas really has to wake up and smell the coffee because I know some of these cuts are complete Bullsh*it. I'm also surprised that one of the LAX-EWR frequencies was also cut. Every time I flew one of these flights they were full.

BTW: how successful was SJU-LAX? I heard that was always a mixed route because of inconsistent leisure caribbean traffic from the Los Angeles area (which much of LA's vacation leisure traffic is to Hawaii.)

I hope your right in that they do bring back EWR-SJU on a 738.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3717 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
I'm also surprised that one of the LAX-EWR frequencies was also cut. Every time I flew one of these flights they were full.

It must be yields and fuel costs then



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3673 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
BTW: how successful was SJU-LAX? I heard that was always a mixed route because of inconsistent leisure caribbean traffic from the Los Angeles area (which much of LA's vacation leisure traffic is to Hawaii.)

This flight makes total sense based on the frequency. There are thousands of Puerto Ricans living in Hawaii that would use LAX as their stopover..every wonder where Hawaii got the hibiscus and the Pineapple? From the Puerto Ricans in the early 1900's. Also the military factor, large base in HNL, many of whom are Puerto Ricans. Plus cruise traffic and other West Indians coming from West Coast to the Caribean via SJU. Its a unique flight and has a lot to offer, and I am sure they charge a nice penny for it. I do not see it loaded in system yet so anything is possible.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

The flight will be loaded this weekend.

AA is also re-evaluating FLL-SJU, and might stay in the market after all, with one daily flight.



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3502 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The flight will be loaded this weekend.

AA is also re-evaluating FLL-SJU, and might stay in the market after all, with one daily flight.

With the average tenture of AA employees at SJU at 25 years, they wanted to clear house...this is all so obvious now with the possible return of FLL. Corporate games-and the thing that makes me angry...the SJU employees overall are so professional, courteous and pleasant.....it all comes down to $$


User currently offlineKevinDCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3325 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 14):
With the average tenture of AA employees at SJU at 25 years, they wanted to clear house...this is all so obvious now with the possible return of FLL. Corporate games-and the thing that makes me angry...the SJU employees overall are so professional, courteous and pleasant.....it all comes down to $$

I agree with you. I think the employees in SJU are the best in the AA system. They don't deserve the games and uncertainty they're going though now.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

SJU-EWR was a big route for AA during the late 80's until mid 90's (DC10/757/72S/763/AB6). When CO entered the market AA started to retrench. It is quite obvious, CO's big hub is in EWR. At the present, CO offers several flights a day from SJU-EWR and from BQN/PSE.

User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3141 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 8):
My partner is doing an EWR-SJU trip this month. Its a VEEERY senior line. I am so surprised at AA pulling back this flight.

oh boy.........................................


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

I do hope AA is re-evaluating SJU-FLL, not sure where that source came from...NK is trashing the fares on that route.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

MCO/IAD/EWR-SJU might all be back too. Stay tuned...


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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2891 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 8):
My partner is doing an EWR-SJU trip this month. Its a VEEERY senior line. I am so surprised at AA pulling back this flight. I suspect it's going to re-appear shortly...stay tuned. From a perspective of staffing, AA will only have 2 flights now that qualify as INTERNATIONAL out of EWR...and these trips would involve MIA first. SJU was the only other as of late. For the record...Its always FULL...which is not a profit indication, but needless to say...something is right.

Senior because those ladies don't want to cross the Hudson to get to work. Frankly EWR should not be part of the JFK international base. It is expensive and time consuming to get to EWR for those that live in Queens/LI/Brooklyn. And EWR-SJU is a no money maker really. lowest fare for August is 105ow/210rt. Low yield there.

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 12):
There are thousands of Puerto Ricans living in Hawaii that would use LAX as their stopover

Yes, but not enough to fill a 757. And if you did it would be low yield. Still glad to see them bring back SJU-LAX. Maybe the economics of a 757 will work better for this route.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2867 times:



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 20):
Maybe the economics of a 757 will work better for this route.

The 757 is typically what is used on this route in the first place.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2369 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2848 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
The 757 is typically what is used on this route in the first place.

Ok Mark, Yes TW operated it as a 757, and now AA. But you can't tell me that it barely operated as a 763, because it did. In fact, I would go to say that it operated more as a 763 for AA than a 757. So I don't know where you get in the "first place" from?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

What SJU-Mainland USA routes have been cut and have no chance of coming back, or could AA reverse all the cuts, but with lower frequencies in some places?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2786 times:



Quoting AA767400 (Reply 22):
Ok Mark, Yes TW operated it as a 757, and now AA. But you can't tell me that it barely operated as a 763, because it did. In fact, I would go to say that it operated more as a 763 for AA than a 757. So I don't know where you get in the "first place" from?

Ever since the wingletted 757s started arriving (early 2005, IIRC), the route, for the majority of the year, has been a 757.



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25 MCOGVADCA : What happened to letting "AirTran, jetBlue, and Spirit duke it out by themselves" because the route was so "low-yielding?"
26 MAH4546 : The Puerto Rican government is working with AA for an incentive package that minimizes the risk. Make no mistake about it though: MCO-SJU is a trash
27 FURUREFA : Is there any chance that we might see another frequency on BOS-SJU in the winter? With all of these cutbacks being "rethought" i hope we see 2x daily
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