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United Will Close 4 Clubs By Oct 10  
User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 437 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

United announced on it's website 7/15 that it will be closing 4 Red carpet clubs. 34 Clubs will remain open.

From UA's web site
***Four Red Carpet Club lounges to be closed
United has decided to close the Red Carpet Club lounges in Atlanta, Baltimore, Dallas and Minneapolis. The decision was based on a number of factors, including high fuel costs, customer usage, operating costs and alignment with corporate strategy. The exact timing of each club's closing has not been finalized, but we plan to have all four clubs closed by October 10, 2008.

As always, Red Carpet Club members will continue to enjoy access to 34 Red Carpet Club lounges worldwide, along with over 500 Star Alliance lounges when traveling internationally on a Star Alliance carrier***

http://www.united.com/page/article/0...HpNews&linkTitle=rccNews1#closings

Flying_727


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

That's too bad - for as small as it is, the BWI lounge is actually one of the more comfortable (and quiet) RCCs. That said, the reason it's so quiet is the reason it's being closed!

777fan



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Quite surprised MCO is still open. Guess the House of Mouse at least brings in enough traffic to scrape by.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9004 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Guess the House of Mouse at least brings in enough traffic to scrape by.



With characters like that going in and out, Im surprised too!  Wink



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

I wonder if this will be incentive for DFW to push UA over to Terminal E.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

I am not surprised by the closing of the ATL RCC. I'm sure the City of Atlanta will replace it with some unneeded retail. I would guess that many of those who would use it probably already have a Crown Room Club membership (or another airline's club membership), so the loss of the RCC is not going to be a big deal for some.

User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8742 times:



Quoting Deltaffindfw (Reply 4):
I wonder if this will be incentive for DFW to push UA over to Terminal E.

Most likely. The main reason why UA didn't want to move to Terminal E was because they had recently renovated their RCC. Now, especially with their upcoming alliance with CO and CO having a President's Club in E, it makes a lot more sense for them to move over.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8569 times:
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Priority Pass is looking better and better as airlines close clubs outside their main hubs.

User currently offlineBriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8442 times:

That is too bad. I spent a day in the MSP club waiting for my delayed delayed delayed flight to ORD (t-storms). Very friendly and helpful staff, it will be a shame to see them go!

-Brian



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8240 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Quite surprised MCO is still open. Guess the House of Mouse at least brings in enough traffic to scrape by.

MCO has a ton of paid premium cabin traffic on MCO-LAX and MCO-SFO (a lot of which comes from Disney). I tend to think part of Disney's deal with United calls for Disney to provide for so many lounge memberships out of Orlando to make it justifiable to have the club.

As for airlines closing clubs, UA isn't alone. DL just shut down a bunch of clubs (PHX, DEN, one of the BOS clubs, SJU, SEA, HNL, MCI, CVG BusinessElite, etc.) and US announced that they were closing the BWI and RDU clubs; however, CO just opened a new club in LAS (absolutely beautiful facility; just opened on Saturday and had the chance to be one of the first people to use it a mere 7 hours after it opened for business) and NW is opening a club in IND this year with the new terminal.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7834 times:



Quoting Deltaffindfw (Reply 4):
I wonder if this will be incentive for DFW to push UA over to Terminal E.

I thought the exact same thing. They made such a big deal about it just a couple years ago... United and US would NOT be moving, anytime soon, because United just spent upwards of $6 million on renovations to the club, etc etc.

Now I think DFW should stick them in the abandoned satellite E terminal and be done with it.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2247 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

The MSP RCC closure will make it easier for UA to be moved from the Lindbergh to the Humphrey terminal.


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

There could be more closures like JFK HNL and MCO (mentioned above) if things continue to worsen.

How are the Red Carpet clubs at UA hubs? IAD SFO LAX ORD and DEN?

[Edited 2008-07-17 07:13:03]


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User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Interesting. They are closing clubs at big competitor hubs (ATL-DL; DFW-AA; MSP-NW; BWI-WN). First step to give up all together at these airports?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6013 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6300 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 12):
How are the Red Carpet clubs at UA hubs? IAD SFO LAX ORD and DEN?

They just renovated 1 of the 4 in Chicago (B18) I believe the plan was at one point to renovate most of the clubs. I know that SFO, LAX, and JFK are getting upgraded due to UAs partnership with Westin (something called a Westin Renewals Lounge) I haven't figured out what that all entails yet.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6075 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 12):
There could be more closures like JFK HNL and MCO (mentioned above) if things continue to worsen.

JFK isn't going anywhere anytime soon, thanks to p.s. and the aforementioned Westin partnership.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Be a shame if they close the HNL RCC. It is nice to be up there watching the planes on the tarmac with a drink instead of being downstairs crammed in these packed gates. I will miss it.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6009 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Priority Pass is looking better and better as airlines close clubs outside their main hubs.

Your so right, I never travel without it.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Good.....
I think they are a waste of money anyway.

What are the primere executives to good for the rest of us ?  Smile

Close them all except for the UA hubs is what I feel.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

It would be interesting to see if the incentives that DFW was offering the airlines moving to Terminal E are still being offered to UA now.

I was at Terminal E the other day...it is starting to look like a real bustling Terminal again instead of the ghost town it was. It was nice to see the activity.


User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

As for Terminal E in DFW, here is what I think will happen.....

NW's gates 2, 4, 5 & 6 will be vacated

UA could then move to these gates and will be next to CO's gates 7-10.

Alaska would stay at gate 11

Delta: Gates 12, 13, 14, 15 and with NW....Delta could get 16 & 17.

Airtran: Could move to gates 18, 20 & 21

Gates: 22-30 (Sattelite) Closed

Gate 31: DFW Airport

Gate 32: Frontier

Gates 33, 34: DFW Airport

Gates 35, 36, 37 & 38: US Airways and Midwest

UA/CO could share the Presidents Club next to gate 7 & 8

DL/NW: Crown Room at gate 11



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4975 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 18):
What are the primere executives to good for the rest of us ?

Just what does this statement mean? 1Ps (and 1Ks/Globals) only get lounge access on international itineraries. Truth is, a decent share of 1P/1K/Globals pay for their RCC membership since it's a lot more convinient than waiting in line or calling a phone number to get service in irrops. Not to mention I'd rather spend my time in an airport lounge than in the terminal waiting with everyone else.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 15):

JFK isn't going anywhere anytime soon, thanks to p.s. and the aforementioned Westin partnership.

The IFL and RCC will be staying at JFK for quite some time. Part of P.S. First is IFL Lounge Access - when you're pocketing $7k a seat on a transcon, you need to keep those people happy.

Would not shock me to see PHL close, as well as a cutback at SAN (only about 14 mainline flights a day with everything else running out of the commuter terminal), and EWR is a possibility if they continue to cut there (although if yields are high, they might keep it open).

Does LH use the RCC at PDX? That could possibly spare that lounge from the chopping block as well.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4902 times:



Quoting N839MH (Reply 20):
As for Terminal E in DFW, here is what I think will happen.....

NW's gates 2, 4, 5 & 6 will be vacated

UA could then move to these gates and will be next to CO's gates 7-10.

Alaska would stay at gate 11

Delta: Gates 12, 13, 14, 15 and with NW....Delta could get 16 & 17.

Airtran: Could move to gates 18, 20 & 21

Gates: 22-30 (Sattelite) Closed

Gate 31: DFW Airport

Gate 32: Frontier

Gates 33, 34: DFW Airport

Gates 35, 36, 37 & 38: US Airways and Midwest

UA/CO could share the Presidents Club next to gate 7 & 8

DL/NW: Crown Room at gate 11

That almost mirrors how I think it will go down...and it leaves the satellite terminal open for new service....someday...maybe.


User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Is there any price increase in this world the airlines won't blame in part on "high fuel costs?" How much fuel are they burning in these clubs?

The BWI club is/was a nice improvement over the old, tiny one they had before. But, with gasoline, well, might as well close up all the clubs. Park a retired UA or Ted plane at one of the empty gates at each terminal, a greeter at the gate, and give us the run of the seats, galleys, and lavatories. What more do we need? Luxury air travel in the 21st century!


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4243 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):

Will UA open a Red Carpet Club at the Humphrey Terminal when UA moves?



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25 Egcarter : There's plenty of room and seats to sit and watch the tarmac at HNL outside of the RCC on that second level (and no one else there!) without having t
26 AAH732UAL : Not rocket surgery, I feel they are a waste of money that could be put to better use else where.
27 Fbgdavidson : I'm confused as to why they don't close some of the clubs at airports with multiple RCCs. IAD has three all in the same concourse, albeit a long conco
28 Panova98 : The SFO RCC club is quite busy around noon. I've found the same for the one at LAX. The 3 IAD clubs essentially serve different customers. The C7 club
29 Acidradio : This almost seems like the logical way to go. If CO and UA enter the big facility-sharing arrangements that are planned, it may make sense to open so
30 SANFan : Correction DeltA': UA's current SAN schedule is 23 mainline flights + 16 (more or less) UEx flights; they are by far the 2nd largest cx at Lindbergh
31 Cubsrule : It's really hard to figure out which Clubs do and do not make money-- beyond that ATL, BWI, DFW, and MSP are likely 4 of the worst performers. Carrie
32 777fan : FWIW, I don't think I've ever seen more than two other members in the BWI RCC at one time. It'll be interesting to see how UA and CO work their arran
33 DeltaL1011man : But how many of the citys DL cut have NW clubs? Also DL stopped all BizE clubs and AFAIK all the exBizE clubs will become CCRs.
34 Ssides : High fuel prices + inability to charge a premium for fares = extra amenities cut. This means clubs.
35 Panova98 : When I got my renewal letter for the Club late last year, it read in part: "Renewing your membership will give you continued access to 40 comfortable
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