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Phoenix Confirms Talks Are Moving With Lufthansa  
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

See page 15 paragraphs 4 & 5 regarding the City of Phoenix Aviation Department and Lufthansa. I am curious - if the City of Phoenix is giving BA $650,000 for general mass advertising in the UK and hiring a consulting firm for $900,000 (see page 11) to develop additional air service to Phoenix, how much do you think will be spent to bring Lufthansa back to the Valley?

The link is here:

http://phoenix.gov/skyharborairport/...out/PAAB_Agenda_Packet-Jun2008.pdf

If that does not work, then go here and click on the June 2008 report and go to page 11 and then page 15.

http://phoenix.gov/skyharborairport/about/avdept-advboard.html#board

Cheers,
BP1


"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

I'm surprised PHX doesn't have more service to Europe and even one route to Asia. If LH goes back to PHX will LH operate an A333 or something bigger?


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4504 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 1):
If LH goes back to PHX will LH operate an A333 or something bigger?

FRA-PHX is 9078 km, or over 10 hours in flight. That seems like the top end of the range chart for a 333 on the westbound... Not saying yes or no, just wondering...

 Smile


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4504 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 1):
If LH goes back to PHX will LH operate an A333 or something bigger?

I suspect they will use the A340 as they did before...


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Sorry but it doesn't look like anything particularly encouraging to me; same ongoing stuff about doing marketing research to present to LH and "in discussions with LH", etc. I don't see anything new or a prediction that an "announcement is near"...

I'm sure PHX has been talking with LH -- as well as tens of other cx -- just as other "hungry" cities have been.

Talks continue.

Consultants get rich and have permenant job security.

yadda yadda yadda

Wake me up when the press conference is announced.  Wink

bb


User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Could this help US? If they timed it right for connections, I think it could be an attractive option in *A.

User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Don't forget that consulting firm also was the lead sponsor for the Phoenix Aviation Symposium held in late March 2008. Interesting..........

BP1



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

How many international flights can PHX handle? Meaning how many jetways are capable of having international flights at one time? Would be nice to see LH back in PHX although like others have said I'll believe it when I see it.


"To fly or not to fly there is no question!"
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4340 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 7):
Meaning how many jetways are capable of having international flights at one time?

Do you mean wide bodies international flights? PHX can able several flights from Mexico at the same time.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 1):
If LH goes back to PHX will LH operate an A333 or something bigger?

The 333 wouldn't work due to the length of the flight plus the heat..

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 3):
I suspect they will use the A340 as they did before...

 checkmark  Two class like PDX.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 7):
I'll believe it when I see it.

You got that right.


User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4222 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 7):
Meaning how many jetways are capable of having international flights at one time?

Do you mean wide bodies international flights? PHX can able several flights from Mexico at the same time.

Overheard at City Hall by Phil Gordon,"Have you seen our RAMP space?!? We got room for days at SkyHarbor!"  Wink

Seriously though, the airport can handle several widebodies with the existing jetways. HA has a 763 at T3. NWA has had a 742 (charter) at T3. BA has their 744 in the end B gate in Terminal 4. They can even handle a A380 though it can't park at a jetway.


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4182 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 9):
They can even handle a A380 though it can't park at a jetway.

and they'd have to close taxiways as it moved around the airfield. Still I doubt PHX will have to worry about commercial A380 service anytime soon, there is more chance of LH restarting than A380 service any decade soon in PHX  Smile

I can't see LH restarting anytime soon. No business traffic to speak of and the economy (aka house builders) is tanking in a big way, Phoenix is way up there in the foreclosure league. Very little discretionary spending around for Europe travels (and that doesn't even consider the whack taken with the lousy exchange rate)


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Widebody gates at T4 include: B23, B25, B28 all in the far East concourse...and US has one 767 capable gate at A14. I'd like to see US move some 767's to PHX for the Hawaii flying once some more A330's come online. Contract battle has to come first though of course.


Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3802 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 10):
Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 9):
They can even handle a A380 though it can't park at a jetway.

and they'd have to close taxiways as it moved around the airfield. Still I doubt PHX will have to worry about commercial A380 service anytime soon, there is more chance of LH restarting than A380 service any decade soon in PHX

Yes, I would consider A380 service to PHX (of any variety) to be extremely unlikely. AFAIK, Skyharbor's plan for the A380 is on a emergency / contigency basis (i.e. a weather diverted A380 going to LAX) so your indication that they would have to close / open taxiways as the plane moved around comports to that.


User currently offlineOURBOEING From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3732 times:

They used to be able to easily fit multiple 744s in terminal 4 when I lived in PHX in the early 2000s. I have seen two BA 744s and a NWA 744 parked at terminal 4 gates at the same time.
It was definitely a very rare moment to catch, especially in PHX.

OURBOEING


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

As far as European services and the West Coast, SEA and LAS have gained some ground on LAX and SFO. Hopefully LH lands in PHX, they need it, (but I doubt it).

There was thread last year, "San Diego in talks with Lufthansa", you can see it on this page on the similar topics list.


User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3094 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 2):

FRA-PHX is 9078 km, or over 10 hours in flight. That seems like the top end of the range chart for a 333 on the westbound... Not saying yes or no, just wondering...

Not a chance for an A330-300 on that route, as computed with airways, SID's and STAR's etc. the distance is even at 5338.6nm or 9887km. Would be a close call westbound with a range of approx. 5500nm or 10200km for the A330-300X's in LH's fleet.



Riding the radials...
User currently offlineAirStairs From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

As much as I want it to happen, it don't see how it could. This is about the worst time to be starting up a service like this one that suffered from low yields even when the economy was good. A 2-class setup I am sure would help time around, but constant sales between BA and LH would do nothing for Y yields for either.



AirStairs


User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2631 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 9):
HA has a 763 at T3. NWA has had a 742 (charter) at T3. BA has their 744 in the end B gate in Terminal 4. They can even handle a A380 though it can't park at a jetway.

Actually, there are widebody capable gates w/jetways in all three terminals. T2 used to handle DC-10s and L1011s on a regular basis and more recently has handled 767/777 (CO and UA).

Quoting Crjflyer35 (Reply 11):
Widebody gates at T4 include: B23, B25, B28 all in the far East concourse...and US has one 767 capable gate at A14. I'd like to see US move some 767's to PHX for the Hawaii flying once some more A330's come online. Contract battle has to come first though of course.

Continental used to park 767s on concourse B1 from time to time ( B9/B11 - diversions and subs). Also, if I remember correctly arent 4-5 of the gates on the west side of concourse A2 (the furthest west concourse) 767 capable?



The GoodDoctor
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2631 times:



Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 13):
I have seen two BA 744s and a NWA 744 parked at terminal 4 gates at the same time.
It was definitely a very rare moment to catch, especially in PHX.

Why would there have been 2 BA 744s in Phx at the same time?



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2606 times:



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 18):
Why would there have been 2 BA 744s in Phx at the same time?

Mechanical, I remember a BA flight (last summer?) couldn't return to LHR and had to overnight, until repairs were made...but they wouldn't be at the terminal at the same time. Since NW operates out of T3 why would they be at T4 (international)? I always seen the NW 747's/333's all at T3.


User currently offlineAirStairs From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):

Mechanical, I remember a BA flight (last summer?) couldn't return to LHR and had to overnight, until repairs were made...but they wouldn't be at the terminal at the same time. Since NW operates out of T3 why would they be at T4 (international)? I always seen the NW 747's/333's all at T3.

International charter would be the only reason I could think of because T3 can't handle int'l arrivals. The NW heavies that visit PHX are normally football charters though, so I can't imagine what it would be.

As far as international gates, Customs & Immigration is located at the end of the Eastern B concourse; I think BA uses B27 or 28 although all the gates in that area (last I saw) were common use. LH used the adjacent gate and the 772 and 343 could fit side-by-side comfortably. There may also be some kind of Customs facility near gates 5 and 7 in T2 for Air Canada arrivals but I don't travel much between here and there so I don't have a good idea of the pre-clearance schemes in place.

Aside from that, though, most of PHX widebody capable with T2 having formerly taken L1011s and D10s, T3 regularly 763s and the occasional 742/A333, and T4, especially the western A concourse and int'l B concourse. The only place you would really find trouble is C and D where WN is on the south side.


AirStairs


User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2026 times:



Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 17):
Also, if I remember correctly arent 4-5 of the gates on the west side of concourse A2 (the furthest west concourse) 767 capable?

N1 used to have a 767 line at A22, but it was painted over about a year ago. I haven't seen the one yet at A14, but I have heard that they want to re-work the end gates on N2 and N3 to handle widebodies again. The largest aircraft we can handle at N1 (the last time I checked anyway) are 757s at A20-24 and 27.



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