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Spirit Airlines Applies For More Colombia Service  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32722 posts, RR: 72
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Spirit Airlines today applied with DOT for a 2nd daily flight on FLL-BOG and for daily FLL-MDE service. They are asking that DOT deny JetBlue and Delta's requests to delay MCO-BOG and JFK-BOG, respectively, and grant them the frequencies.

It's my guessing that Delta will suck it up and start JFK-BOG earlier and JetBlue will can MCO-BOG. Then Spirit can take Continental's seven IAH-CLO frequencies and still get what they want.


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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

I think if it comes to losing the frequencies or having to start service, they will start the service.

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

Agreed. DL will start, but I agree with MAH that B6 probably won't. But now is the time for NK to grab them. While most, including I, are not crazy about NK, they know what is valuable. That has been NK's strong point from the beginning. I remember a time when many said a FLL Latin American gateway was a waste and competing with AA at MIA was just doomsday!

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Awesome.. I need those two flights, my travels to BOG and MDE will be more and more frequent from now on...


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32722 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Now I'm hearing AA might be "applying" for the frequencies. I put it in quotes because I've been told they might argue that the frequencies need to be returned to them by default. They would use them for a third daily MIA-BOG.


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User currently offlineJaysan From India, joined Apr 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5657 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Now I'm hearing AA might be "applying" for the frequencies. I put it in quotes because I've been told they might argue that the frequencies need to be returned to them by default. They would use them for a third daily MIA-BOG.

Could B6 possibly make this a through flight that originates in JFK?


User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5642 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
a 2nd daily flight on FLL-BOG

Great move, to add MDE. But, a second daily flight to BOG so soon seems like it could "bleed cash." What's your opinion?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32722 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Delta and JetBlue have responded.

Delta is willing to move the start-date of JFK-BOG to 18DEC08, but JetBlue won't budge.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

It will be very interesting to see how DOT solves this cunandrum.
I guess that key to how it is settled, will be the answers by AA and CO.

If AA does want to get their formerly held 7 frequecies for use for a third daily MIA-BOG (and that's a good idea given that A300s will be going and lesser capacity aircraft might have to do at some point) then the situation will get even more complicated.

I want to see if CO has anything to say. Might they formally put their 7 frequencies from the soon to be chopped IAD-CLO at the disposal of the department from September onwards? Or will that have to be a separate procedure?

Delta asks the right questions: Is a delay of a few months delay of their JFK-BOG of less interest than a sooner South Florida - Colombia service?
Same can be asked about jetBlue MCO-BOG delay motion.

I have a feeling that DOT will accept a delayed JFK-BOG service, but that it might not be so kind to jetBlue.. unless CO owns up to a permanently spare 7 freqs (to CLO and/or MDE) from September that DOT can give to Spirit.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32722 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5386 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
I want to see if CO has anything to say. Might they formally put their 7 frequencies from the soon to be chopped IAD-CLO at the disposal of the department from September onwards? Or will that have to be a separate procedure?

CO has to unless they want to resume IAH-CLO or start IAH-MDE within 90 days of the route ending. The frequencies are only allowed to be used on IAH-CLO or IAH-MDE.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
Delta asks the right questions: Is a delay of a few months delay of their JFK-BOG of less interest than a sooner South Florida - Colombia service?
Same can be asked about jetBlue MCO-BOG delay motion.

I agree that DOT will likely accept the delay in JFK service.

However, as nice as having a variety of options in U.S. points is, the fact remains that half of all traffic between the U.S. and Colombia goes to Miami and Fort Lauderdale. The number gets even bigger when you go into smaller markets – like 62% of all MDE-USA traffic goes to MIA/FLL and more than 70% of all CLO-USA traffic.

Orlando-Colombia (the whole country), is less than 70 people per day, in both directions.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8336 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5379 times:
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Spirit should go from FLL to BAQ, the Cartagena flight is doing well. With AA leaving BAQ and Spirit expanding in FLL and the Caribean, BAQ would be a natural extension of more service to Colombia.

User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

DL flight to BOG is no bookable anymore. It appears in the system but it wont let you make a reservation .


And with fares on AA, to BOG at 78 USD one way, to compete with NK, the traffic will increase a lot.


User currently offlineA340Crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

any one know how Avianca is doing in FLL with this new competition from NK?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5246 times:



Quoting A300AA (Reply 11):
DL flight to BOG is no bookable anymore. It appears in the system but it wont let you make a reservation .

I was surprised they took it out of availability for the Fall. Seems like it would be less risky to keep selling it and in the event you don't operate it until December or May, you reaccom the bookings through ATL or onto your partner AV.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently onlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5162 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Now I'm hearing AA might be "applying" for the frequencies. I put it in quotes because I've been told they might argue that the frequencies need to be returned to them by default. They would use them for a third daily MIA-BOG.

I think AA could really use the third daily MIA-BOG back. Especially now with the A300s going away the route could be 3x daily 757. Or hopefully maybe 1x 777 & 2x 757.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5137 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
Delta asks the right questions: Is a delay of a few months delay of their JFK-BOG of less interest than a sooner South Florida - Colombia service?
Same can be asked about jetBlue MCO-BOG delay motion.

more significant is whether NK can demonstrate that it can make good use of even the first flight to BOG given that they are new to the market and are adding a new type of service to the market. The DOT is not interested in seeing frequencies squandered by either a network or legacy carrier until there is a demonstrated ability to serve the market. Remember that we got into this whole mess w/ Colombia because AA wasn't consistently using its frequencies. And I agree that AA should be given the opportunity to recapture its frequencies if other carriers are not willing to use them.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5075 times:



Quoting A340Crew (Reply 12):
any one know how Avianca is doing in FLL with this new competition from NK?

Some figures from the US DOT related to the performance in such route.

Avianca. Ft. Lauderdale - Bogota. One-way.

..Filter period.........Available seats....Passengers.....Load factor
December 2007............6054.................4664...............77%
..January 2008..............5802................4930................85%

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5052 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 15):
The DOT is not interested in seeing frequencies squandered by either a network or legacy carrier

DL has squandered two DOT awards in less than a year.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4885 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
I want to see if CO has anything to say. Might they formally put their 7 frequencies from the soon to be chopped IAD-CLO at the disposal of the department from September onwards? Or will that have to be a separate procedure?

Continental have done the decent thing: No applications for a dormancy waiver or change of use to their frequencies. They have now put them at the disposal of DOT, that will now be able to reallocate them to a different airline for use from 10th September onwards.

I imagine that this development makes it more likely that both DL and jetBlue will have their applications for a deferred start for their respective new rights fro BOG more likely to be approved, whilst DOT can offer Spirit the frequencies CO will let go.

So far no other airline other than Spirit has contested the frequencies which DL and jetBlue will fail to start by DOT's 90 days from approval deadline.

It is conceivable that AA might want to re-enter the game at this stage, asking for a third daily MIA-BOG, even if they have failed to manifest any interest in the last few weeks. I suspect that US has lost their apetite for CLT-BOG as we have also not heard from them of late.

Perhaps DOT can also play with back-up authorities in authorising deferrals either or both B6 and DL.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

eltiempo.com

Aterrizó Primer Avión De Spirit En Bogotá



Ayer llegó a Bogotá el primer vuelo de la aerolínea estadounidense Spirit Airlines, que tendrá un vuelo diario entre la capital del país y la ciudad de Fort Lauderdale (Florida, Estados Unidos).

El avión Airbus 319, de la aerolínea de bajo costo, aterrizó en el aeropuerto Eldorado a la 1:00 p.m. con 142 personas a bordo, entre ellos, nueve periodistas extranjeros de Nueva York y Miami, de medios como Univisión y Telemundo, invitados especiales a conocer la ciudad.

El mismo avión despegó luego, a las 3:00 p.m., con rumbo a Fort Lauderdale.

La nueva ruta ofrece solo por hoy una tarifa de arranque de 234 dólares ida y regreso (con todos los impuestos y sobrecargos), para una fechas determinadas, a través de su página en Internet: www.spiritair.com.

A la fecha, la aerolínea ya tiene vendidos 10.000 tiquetes, para los próximos meses, anunció su director de Comunicaciones, Juan Arbeláez.

Spirit, que aspira a movilizar entre Bogotá y Fort Lauderdale unos 120 pasajeros diarios, inició su operación en Colombia el 8 de mayo con la inauguración de la ruta Cartagena-Fort Lauderdale.

El próximo destino de Spirit será el mercado del Eje Cafetero. Actualmente adelanta gestiones para que se le conceda licencia para aterrizar en el aeropuerto de Armenia

[Edited 2008-07-31 04:50:18]

[Edited 2008-07-31 04:50:37]

[Edited 2008-07-31 04:51:39]


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4804 times:



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 19):
El próximo destino de Spirit será el mercado del Eje Cafetero. Actualmente adelanta gestiones para que se le conceda licencia para aterrizar en el aeropuerto de Armenia

We had just commented here and some weeks backward, that NK is also asking for services aiming to San Andres Island.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8336 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
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Wecome to Eldorado, Spirit, you could be teh new "ELDORADO". Spirits low fares are driving AA out of BAQ and bring Jet Blue level fares to what had been an inelastic market where $500.00 fares are common.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4716 times:



Quoting A340Crew (Reply 12):
any one know how Avianca is doing in FLL with this new competition from SA)">NK?

Avianca's BOG-FLL flight heavily relies on connections and feed from other Colombian and South American cities like Quito and Guayaquil. These passengers will not be stolen by Spirit's new service.

SA.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4479 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks ago) and read 4626 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 21):
Spirits low fares are driving AA out of BAQ and bring Jet Blue level fares to what had been an inelastic market where $500.00 fares are common

It isn't exactly clear how NK CTG-FLL is directly hurting AA BAQ-MIA as NK is flying to Cartagena de Indias, not Barranquilla.




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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 22):
Avianca's BOG-FLL flight heavily relies on connections and feed from other Colombian and South American cities like Quito and Guayaquil. These passengers will not be stolen by Spirit's new service.

Agreed.
All the passengers coming on NK FLL-BOG will terminate the trip at BOG.
However, the daylight pattern for NK BOG-FLL and back is able to capture some amount of connecting travelers through FLL.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently onlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4582 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
It isn't exactly clear how NK CTG-FLL is directly hurting AA BAQ-MIA as NK is flying to Cartagena de Indias, not Barranquilla.

Both cities are an hour away by car. Barranquilleros can easily drive or take a cab to CTG and pay less for their flight to florida.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 21):
Wecome to Eldorado, Spirit, you could be teh new "ELDORADO". Spirits low fares are driving AA out of BAQ and bring Jet Blue level fares to what had been an inelastic market where $500.00 fares are common.

And $300 fares are also common, its not like Colombia-Florida flights are a rip-off. Unless you book a week in advance, of course. Three weeks to one month in advance is a good time to do it.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
25 SOUTHAMERICA : I hope Spirit gets those 7 weekly frequencies Continental is returning by dropping IAH-CLO. This year has been great for MDE, and it would be fantasti
26 MAH4546 : Spirit wants 14 frequencies, not just seven.
27 Summa767 : Sure, but they have stated that their priority is MDE, and they have also asked that if either of JetBlue or Delta are granted a delay waiver, that S
28 RICARIZA : From a friend, but I don't know the source, so don't quote me JUNE 2008 = AV - FLL 8.768 86,21%
29 TBYO787 : Every client returning from CTG to LGA via FLL in NK promise themselves no to expose themselves to such a catastrophic trip via NK sub-service again
30 Summa767 : What are your clients complaining about? Is it a mess to transit in FLL on the way back, with going thru immigration and all? So far Spirit's numbes
31 A300AA : June is very good on any airline and , July, and August, but ...... we will see the rest of the year what happens.
32 TBYO787 : The most common complaints is that NK do not transfer the Bags over to the next flight and by the time they get ther bags the connection is lost. Spi
33 Summa767 : If this is so, then it's clearly unfair on passenegers.If Spirit don't want to be responisible for connections, then they should only sell point to p
34 A300AA : Today Spirit applied for the returned Continental frequencies. They said they will use them on a second FLL BOG sevice, or FLL MDE . However they also
35 Jfk777 : I have been flying from Miami to BAQ all my life, the cheapest was $299 in the early 1980's. AA has $99.00 one way/$198.00 return, from Miami to BAQ
36 Summa767 : Apparently passengers can make sure that they are covered for incidents like this by buying "ticket proection" for $12. In fact, I think it's crazy n
37 Summa767 : Spirit fails to get the frequencies it wanted, as JetBlue and Delta get extensions DOT has today approved delays for start up of the services by jetBl
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