WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4788 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5415 times:
NW still operates to LGW so the DL operation there will grow post merger.
Unless DL is able to secure a significant number of new LHR slots, they will continue to fly to LGW because they have to in order to meet the demand for seats to the city. And even if they did have enough slots at LHR, there is probably still potential for some LGW flying.
WingnutMN From United States, joined Jan 2004, 353 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
NW flies a 757 DTW-LGW, I would think that this flight would be on the chopping block post merger. Especially if CVG has a flight. This is how 2 hubs will co-exist so close to each other. What are NW loads for the LGW, and LHR flights from DTW?
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RwSEA From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 2): NW still operates to LGW so the DL operation there will grow post merger.
Unless DL is able to secure a significant number of new LHR slots, they will continue to fly to LGW because they have to in order to meet the demand for seats to the city. And even if they did have enough slots at LHR, there is probably still potential for some LGW flying.
Well, yes, except that NW already offers 3 flights daily to LHR themselves. I could see LGW getting shut down all together if another ATL slot can be secured.
Regarding CVG-LGW, well once CVG is gone in the near future, there will be no more need for this flight.
WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4788 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5201 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5): Regarding CVG-LGW, well once CVG is gone in the near future, there will be no more need for this flight.
you fail to miss the fact that DL's CVG international operation is STILL highly profitable and will be even with the RJ cancellations that are coming - because those markets don't provide much int'l traffic.
Businesses don't walk away from profitable business just because there appears to be duplication in their networks in the eyes of some outsiders.
RwSEA From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5139 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 6):
you fail to miss the fact that DL's CVG international operation is STILL highly profitable and will be even with the RJ cancellations that are coming - because those markets don't provide much int'l traffic.
Businesses don't walk away from profitable business just because there appears to be duplication in their networks in the eyes of some outsiders.
All signs continue to point to the CVG hub being eliminated post-Merger. And flights from MSP, DTW, and JFK to LHR make CVG redundant, especially when the costs of keeping a station open for 1-2 daily flights are factored in.
JFK-LGW still operates and will end in a few months..
Flight Delta Air Lines 5
From New York JFK NY US (JFK) Terminal 3
Departure Time 1730
To London Gatwick GB (LGW) Terminal N
Arrival Time 0625
Duration 7h55m
Meal D
Aircraft Type 752
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 6): you fail to miss the fact that DL's CVG international operation is STILL highly profitable and will be even with the RJ cancellations that are coming - because those markets don't provide much int'l traffic.
It may be profitable, but according to the DOT the local passengers on the plane are only between 40 and 55 per day over the last year. So those pesky little RJs are the only thing standing between you and...
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Josh32121 From United States, joined Apr 2008, 11 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 3012 times:
Given the reportedly declining passenger experience at LHR (likelihood of delays, dated terminal facilities, etc.), it seems reasonable that DL would continue to service LGW post-merger even if they can switch all flights to LHR using NW's slots. It also seems plausible that they'd want to offer travelers more options by serving both airports. Aren't the loads and yields on the ATL-LGW flights still good even since LHR service started?
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 1042 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7): CVG redundant, especially when the costs of keeping a station open for 1-2 daily flights are factored in.
1-2 daily flights? Even after the widely expected draw down of CVG, I still see it operating at at least a focus city because of it's location in the NE. DFW was a different story, again because of its location.
Runway23 From Christmas Island, joined Jan 2005, 1494 posts, RR: 33 Reply 18, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 16): Given the reportedly declining passenger experience at LHR (likelihood of delays, dated terminal facilities, etc.), it seems reasonable that DL would continue to service LGW post-merger even if they can switch all flights to LHR using NW's slots. It also seems plausible that they'd want to offer travelers more options by serving both airports. Aren't the loads and yields on the ATL-LGW flights still good even since LHR service started?
One of the main reasons for keeping LGW-ATL is the slots Delta have.
LGW departures are around 9 and 11am whilst LHR leaves at 125PM.
NW on the other hand leaves LHR very early at 850 and 1010 for DTW and MSP. NW's current schedule from LHR is very poor in terms of connections with any connection to the west coast requiring a minimum of 3.5 hours between flights. That is a main reason why LGW has been kept, as NW32 continues to connect extremely well in DTW.
Once Delta and NW merge,. it would not be that surprising to see the DTW and MSP slots be switched for ATL (and subject to getting 1 or 2 more slots at LHR) seeing the entire LGW operation go away.
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