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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/VHHH/KVCV

I wonder if these are Oasis' ?? I didn't think VCV had customs..


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2303 times:



Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):
I didn't think VCV had customs..

Call ahead to get them.

Plus VCV has a lot of military charters that come into the US so I think they actually do have some sort of customs. ATA was a prime example of having flights into there from other countries.

They might be OHKs but they are flying below DRVSM levels when they come into the US, so maybe these are other planes that have been sitting around for a while.

Didn't the OHK birds come from SQ anyway?


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Ok found it.....

This was already posted
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):
I wonder if these are Oasis' ?? I

Yes they are. B-LFC, and B-LFD

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 1):
Didn't the OHK birds come from SQ anyway?

These two birds were formerly NH JA-404A and JA-405A

[Edited 2008-07-17 10:27:39]

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2184 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 1):
Plus VCV has a lot of military charters that come into the US so I think they actually do have some sort of customs.

Military personnel traveling on a military charter do not clear customs or immigration. A military charter is considered the same as transit on a military aircraft such as a C-130. Their duffel bags are shipped direct from one military base to another and Customs has no jurisdiction over any of it. Many of the service personnel in Iraq do not have passports. My nephew who served there does not.


User currently offlineSQ25J From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2125 times:

Not sure how to cut and paste previous post with italics...(perhaps someone can tell me)

What I do know is that military charters in/out of US are subject to Customs/Immigration same as any scheduled passenger flight. I say this with certainty becasue it was my job to coordinate this, (as well as USDA).

For the record some Unit Commanders "believe" they are not subject to this. When I had instructed cabin crew to pass out customs dec forms prior to arrival into POB...unit commander talked naive FA's into not doing their job. Upon arrival Customs met aircraft and informed troops they needed to complete decs. Then they proceeded to cal me, (following day), and question why it was not done on arrival. I informed Customs that the FA's had the proper instructions on their briefing.

Yes, troops do not need passports, but if any US troop is not a US citizen-they do need I94's....this also happened with me firsthand.


Above is all prior to DHS, but I did ride military charters after DHS and the same rules applied.



Not trying to argue with anyone, but just wanted to cite these examples firsthand......the post that indicated military flights are not subject to this is what made my job harder...some people in military are under this assumption.

I will admit people may have or know troops that came without the formalities....could have been an oversight or an exception.

A fe years ago there was an incident with NY ANG C5 into SWF where member of flightcrew had a couple suitcases of ecstasy....this prompted Customs to become evern more thorough.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2117 times:

why would you not have a passport if you are in the military? makes no sense to me. and restricts your travel when based abroad

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1999 times:



Quoting SQ25J (Reply 5):
Not sure how to cut and paste previous post with italics...(perhaps someone can tell me)

To cut and paste, highlight the text and use the tab which says "selected text quoted".

Quoting SQ25J (Reply 5):
What I do know is that military charters in/out of US are subject to Customs/Immigration same as any scheduled passenger flight.

I did not say that military personnel do not have to fill out any forms. The Customs and INS officials probably wish them to do that.

What I said is that military personnel do not have to "clear" customs and immigration. When you arrive on an international flight into the US, you get off the airplane into a secure and sterile zone that is not fully a part of the US. If the INS officials believe you are not eligible to enter the US, the airline must place you on the next available flight back to your country of origin. If this is not possible, the INS will place you in a holding cell (essentially prison) until other arrangements can be made.

You do not clear Customs and INS and enter the US officially until you pass the last gate in the process and are walking through the terminal free. Military personnel do not go through this process because they do not have a country of origin to return to. Their country of origin is the US even if they are flying from an airbase in Kuwait.

In addition, when a serviceman (or woman) travels to Iraq, they are allowed only their duffel bag. This bag and everything in it including their firearm is considered military property. It is not subject to customs. If there are drugs in the bag, the serviceman is subject to court martial in a military court, not the civilian authorities.

When my nephew returned from Iraq to Camp Pendleton in San Diego (his home base), he had to turn in his duffel bag when he boarded the plane in Kuwait. In fact, he did not see the bag for a month. He was returning a month earlier than the unit to which he was assigned, so the military mistakenly shipped the bag back to Kuwait thinking it was lost. When his unit returned to the US his bag went with the rest of his units bags. He picked up his bag at Camp Pendleton from the Marine Corps, not at an airport or though the airline (Omni Int'l) he flew on.

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 6):
why would you not have a passport if you are in the military? makes no sense to me. and restricts your travel when based abroad

The military not only restricts the travel of its personnel when abroad and at home, but restricts what they can eat, when they can sleep, and how many times they can go to the toilet. That is the way they are. They like total control.

For example, in San Diego, Navy personnel are prohibited from crossing the border into Tijuana Mexico even though other American citizens are free to do so.

Military personnel can have passports if they wish, but they are not required to do so to travel to Iraq and many do not. If you are stationed in Iraq and need to return to the US, you go to an airbase in Kuwait and wait for space on a military flight or charter. You never fly commercial. My nephew in Iraq had to wait two weeks in Kuwait until a seat was available on a charter flight because he was not traveling with his unit.

It is difficult for most travelers to understand, but when a serviceman spends time in Iraq, he is not considered to have been in any foreign country at all. He spends the entire time either on US bases which are considered US territory similar to Embassies or in the company of his assigned unit under a commander.

To give you an example, there have been stories of servicemen meeting Iraqi women and marrying them. This is considered a court martial offense (fraternizing with the enemy). When you are fighting aboard in Iraq, in the Military's interesting logic, you are still in the United States because the US Military considers its men and any camps or bases it controls to be part of the US, not the host country.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 4):

Military personnel traveling on a military charter do not clear customs or immigration


Well I take that back. My mom worked a Military charter into VCV about 2 years ago and thinks she cleared customs at the AFB in Germany.

Sorry  Sad

[Edited 2008-07-17 17:29:58]

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1604 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 8):
Well I take that back. My mom worked a Military charter into VCV about 2 years ago and thinks she cleared customs at the AFB in Germany.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The original question was "Does VCV have customs?" I said that it did not matter as Troops do not have to clear customs when landing in the US. I probably spoke inaccurately as I sometimes do on this forum.

Here is a description I found on the internet about clearing customs for troops which matches the description my nephew gave me when he returned from Iraq.

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"When I was returning from the first Gulf War, we went through the quarantine process prior to boarding the plane to leave Saudi Arabia. After our baggage and bodies were searched we went into the quarantine holding area from which we could not leave, ensuring that no contraband would enter the US."

"Troops returning from overseas have to pass through customs. In the case of troop transports, this is actually done overseas, hence the quarantine area. The only processing we went through in the US was turning in weapons & other sensitive items when we returned to Ft Hood. Remember, troops do not carry passports in combat zones."

********

By saying that troops do not clear customs I misspoke and did not mean to say that troops do not go through any processing or searching at all. They probably do. However, troop transports and charters routinely land at MCAS Miramar here in San Diego and the troops just get off the planes and run to their waiting wives and children. The troops do not have to go through the usual customs and immigration that we normal international travelers routinely endure as they do not have passports, are carrying weapons and often land at military bases or other places that are out of the way and not equipped to handle customs processing.

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1603 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 7):
For example, in San Diego, Navy personnel are prohibited from crossing the border into Tijuana Mexico even though other American citizens are free to do so.

Oh, NOW you tell me.  Smile


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