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AA: New ORD-MBJ Service  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

American Airlines will begin 5x weekly O'Hare-Montego Bay service on 31 January 2009:

AA 843 ORD 0830-1325 MBJ 757 xTuWe
AA 844 MBJ 1430-1805 ORD 757 xTuWe

American Airlines will nearly triple service to Montego Bay this winter, as they will also be adding a third daily MIA-MBJ and going daily on DFW-MBJ. The new O'Hare route and increased Dallas service is thanks to Jamaican government subsidies.

AA will have up to six daily flights to Montego Bay this winter (3x MIA, 1x DFW, 1x JFK, 5w ORD), and four daily flights to Kingston (3x MIA, 1x FLL).


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4234 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

AA also reinstated DFW-NAS with 738 service.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):


AA also reinstated DFW-NAS with 738 service.

It was never discontinued. It doesn't operate in the fall, though.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

Wasn't it operated by Eagle in the past though?

[Edited 2008-07-17 15:39:29]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4152 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
Wasn't it operated by Eagle in the past though?

It's been a mix of Eagle and S80s since a few months after it was launched; though during some parts of the year it has been Eagle-only.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4107 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):

I didn't even know that S80 was used on the NAS route. Thanks for clarifying.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12148 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
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Does JM still serve ORD?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3966 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):

Yes, currently JM flies to ORD:
Air Jamaica 70
Depart: 9:00 am Chicago, IL (ORD)
Arrive: 1:00 pm Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ)
Air Jamaica 71
Depart: 4:55 pm Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ)
Arrive: 8:48 pm Chicago, IL (ORD)


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Yes they do. However, they ops are not very dependable.

Chuck


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3943 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 8):

Correct! This route will be gone soon; hence the Jamaican Government's decision to subsidise AA to fly ORD-MBJ.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Any hope for at least a Saturday/Sunday STL-MBJ-STL?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3928 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):

No, AA doesn't fly internationally out of STL; besides passengers in STL destined to MBJ will connect through ORD, DFW, and MIA.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Is the Jamacian Government subsidizing both the ORD and DFW routes?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3907 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):

Yes, lets just say that JM is in its final days...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
Is the Jamacian Government subsidizing both the ORD and DFW routes?

Yes. AA was on the verge of discontinuing DFW-MBJ, but the government rescued it.

[Edited 2008-07-17 17:51:10]


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3759 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
No, AA doesn't fly internationally out of STL; besides passengers in STL destined to MBJ will connect through ORD, DFW, and MIA

Strange AA doesn't even fly STL-CUN. One would expect some kind of demand out of STL for December-April seasonal weekend flights to both CUN and MBJ.
Would AA fly STL-MBJ if "asked" by the Jamaican government?



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3689 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
Strange AA doesn't even fly STL-CUN. One would expect some kind of demand out of STL for December-April seasonal weekend flights to both CUN and MBJ.

There is some demand for flights, but I'm guessing the Mexico/Caribbean market from STL is covered well enough between RD's scheduled charters to CUN/MBJ/PVR, U5's service to CUN/MBJ/PVR/PUJ, and connecting traffic across the various legacies. If I'm not mistaken, I believe AA's morning STL-MIA flight continues to SXM under the same flight number as well.

Champion also served some of those leisure destinations before cancelling all operations and Frontier previously flew STL-CUN once weekly.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3656 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 16):
Champion also served some of those leisure destinations before cancelling all operations and Frontier previously flew STL-CUN once weekly.

 checkmark  There might be room for a weekly STL-CUN, though I think they'd have to use the East Terminal FIS.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
No, AA doesn't fly internationally out of STL;

You act like AA has a rule: "No international flying ex-STL." If STL-LHR or STL-NRT or STL-CUN would make money (or more money than whatever the least-profitable flight on the aircraft type in question is), AA would start them. But AA has determined that they won't.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3619 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
You act like AA has a rule: "No international flying ex-STL.

I simply stated a fact; AA doesn't fly internationally out of STL.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3536 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
No, AA doesn't fly internationally out of STL; besides passengers in STL destined to MBJ will connect through ORD, DFW, and MIA.

When they took over TWA they used to fly STL-MBJ with a B757. But it was eventually discontinued. TWA usually fly that route with MD80's and B757's but can't remember what the frequency was like. It was more than once a week though.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Correct! This route will be gone soon; hence the Jamaican Government's decision to subsidise AA to fly ORD-MBJ.

Where was I ? Didn't know about JM planning to discontinue ORD.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AA will have up to six daily flights to Montego Bay this winter (3x MIA, 1x DFW, 1x JFK, 5w ORD), and four daily flights to Kingston (3x MIA, 1x FLL).

I remember back in the day when they used to have between 9 & 10 dailys to Jamaica. 4 B727's MIA-MBJ, 4 B727's MIA-KIN, 1 A300 each to MBJ and KIN from JFK. At times however they also did a triangular routing JFK-MBJ-KIN-JFK as flight 645.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3520 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 19):
When they took over TWA they used to fly STL-MBJ with a B757

With the A-300s going, AA 757s will be a great demand. If the GOJ offered AA a subsidy to fly STL-MBJ-STL; you bet your bottom dollar they would!

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 19):
Where was I ? Didn't know about JM planning to discontinue ORD.

Then why would the GOJ subsidise AA to fly ORD-MBJ-ORD? According to the GOJ, "Jamaica hopes to rid itself of the loss-maker by March 2009." Since JM will probably have to dissolve in the near future; they will likely have slash many routes that are not profitable.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3516 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
If the GOJ offered AA a subsidy to fly STL-MBJ-STL; you bet your bottom dollar they would!

Not if the opportunity costs of using the 757 elsewhere exceeded the subsidy, which I bet they would.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Not if the opportunity costs of using the 757 elsewhere exceeded the subsidy, which I bet they would.

I suspected that; the 757 can make more money elsewhere.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
Then why would the GOJ subsidise AA to fly ORD-MBJ-ORD? According to the GOJ, "Jamaica hopes to rid itself of the loss-maker by March 2009." Since JM will probably have to dissolve in the near future; they will likely have slash many routes that are not profitable.

I remember there was a thread here where many were asking that same question. Any subsequent announced disclosure re the discontinuation of ORD by JM missed me. Neither did I hear it on the news here.



greenheart
User currently offlineBloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
AA also reinstated DFW-NAS with 738 service.

Eagle flew the route on weekdays and AA used to fly the route on Saturdays and Sundays. but then they got rid of it and went completely Eagle covering the route and now they are decreasing the daily eagle to Saturday Sunday service on a 738 to DFW. AAeagle is also dropping the NAS-ORD route completely  Sad. I have indeed been on that flight and it was full for a cr7 but it wasnt comfortable to fly on a cr7 for that long. I was AA would introduce a M80 on that route during weekends.


25 Luv2fly : I flew the JM flight from ORD to MBJ and return in the past. Never totally full and service tended to be hit or miss. Though they did feed us, had vid
26 Cubsrule : I think the problem was the CR7-- mostly because of the length of the flight. IIRC ORD-NAS was AA's longest CR7 route. With so few (relatively) CR7s,
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