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New Zealand Aviation Thread #36  
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10911 times:

Welcome to the New Zealand Aviation Thread #36.
The last thread took 21 days to reach 200 posts. 777ER is in hiding again so heres the thread.  Wink

In the previous thread the discussion involved:
- a crazy notion about an AT7 to NRT (which turned out to be NLK)
- new air services agreement with Sth Africa
- RNP approaches into ZQN and the differences between the airlines into ZQN
- DUD and INV ops
- NZ 777 upgrades to save 1.5% fuel burn
- EK switching aircraft making AKL Airbus only
- Ongoing speculation about Mt Cooks AT7 replacements
- NZ looking to move forward its order for 77W
- VA new Oz-LAX services and how they might affect NZ
- Toll offloading its DJ stake and possibility of NZ buying it.
- Victoria Beckham (she looks scary to me!)
- UAs future in this region
- B1900D replacement soon? (unlikely however)
- NZ domestic food offerings
- EKs flight changes as well as its 10across Y seating on 777
- NZ upgrading 763ERs
- Commerce Commission investigating airlines for price-fixing on freight
- and not forgetting aparently there is a Mrs NZ1 on A.net  Wink

Oil prices have had their biggest shortterm fall in a decade over the past few days... hopefully that keeps prices down some.

Let the discussions continue....


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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2249 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10905 times:
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From the last thread:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 221):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 204):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 200):
If mrs NZ1 (if there is one?) was on A.net then NZ2 would surely be her title but since shes not (so far as I know) then props to you mate.

There is a Mrs NZ1 on a.net, but I won't divulge her user name,

how clandestine of you Wink
Is she a regular poster in the NZ av thread?

Used to be, but got sick of all the bs that happens from time to time...lol



ZKSUJ - I wasn't having a go at you re the vege chips. I was trying to be a smart ass. Sorry if YOU took it the wrong way.

NZ1


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Anyone in customer service know how PAX are reacting to the Air NS strikes? Are the reactions better than anticipated?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10901 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 1):
ZKSUJ - I wasn't having a go at you re the vege chips. I was trying to be a smart ass. Sorry if YOU took it the wrong way.

Cool man, sorry for the misunderstanding


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10886 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
777ER is in hiding again so heres the thread.

Nah not in hiding, just couldn't be bothered starting a new thread at midnight last night.

From the previous thread:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 208):
Its not like you hop on a bus from AKL to WLG and get given food/airpoints etc etc

Intercity/Newmans actually offer points if your a 'ClubWay Member' on their cheapest fares

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 220):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 207):
Yes, which is a digusting amount to serve any pax. Have you tried their lollie bag yet?

A disgusting amount? You can't go less than 1 hour without eating? If your going to be that picky, why not buy something to eat at the airport cafe (plenty of variety) and eat it on the plane. It will prob be the same price, if not cheaper, than the extra airfare increase Air NZ would have to charge for a meal/ greater snack service.

Yes I can go without food for more then 1 hour. Eating at the airport is now getting too expensive as they put their prices up. Nearly $10 for just a pie and coke or chips and coke! I'm finding that recently I'm buying the more expensive fares, so its perfectly fair that customers buying more expensive fares expect a far better service, instead of a cheap packet of 4 lollies that even a 4 year old wouldn't like to get served, so maybe its time NZ gives its higher fare payers a pie, sandwich or slice of cake on each domestic flight! Maybe its time NZ starts treating it customers with respect cause after all its us pax who are helping to pay their employees/managements wages and putting food on their employees tables. We wouldn't be getting slightly more better service if it wasn't for DJ entering the domestic market.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10881 times:
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Pac Blue staff in limbo over jobs

Many of 200 Pacific Blue cabin crew and pilots fear they will not be rehired by the airline after August 19.


That is because it terminated the services of their contractor, Kaiapoi-based Contract Air Services, yesterday from that date.

Speculation is rife among the staff that the budget carrier will redeploy staff from its Australian parent, Virgin Blue, as it cuts back its own services and delays aircraft orders, reducing the number of staff required.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4623114a13.html

Three-day air strike takes toll


Air Nelson staff have made 10,000 phone calls to passengers as it deals with a three-day pilots' strike.


The strike, smack at the end of the school holidays, follows a year of unsuccessful negotiations.

The strike runs from midnight Thursday night until midnight on Sunday, affecting 250 flights. Most of those have been cancelled and passengers put on other Air New Zealand flights or chartered flights.

The Tasman Makos rugby team was among those affected by the strike, with the team forced to charter a plane to make it to Auckland for its warm-up match against Counties-Manukau.

New Zealand Air Line Pilots' Association executive director Rick Mirkin - who was not available for comment Friday - earlier said pilots wanted a pay rise and a change to rostering which currently only allowed them one weekend off a month.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4622923a13.html

I personally feel this strike at this time just shows how selfish the pilots and unions are. It appears to be common practise to have stikes at important times

Qantas cuts 1500 jobs
Shuts US, London call centres

Qantas says it will cut 1500 jobs across the world to try to offset the rising cost of jet fuel and challenging conditions in the aviation industry.


The national carrier has also scrapped plans to hire another 1200 workers in the new financial year and will retire 22 older aircraft from its fleet of 228.

Chief executive Geoff Dixon said the aviation industry is facing a major crisis and Qantas needs to ensure its future.

"The jobs to be cut will be principally concentrated in non-operational areas, although operational positions will also go," he said in Sydney.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4622940a13.html


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10877 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
Ongoing speculation about Mt Cooks AT7 replacements

When can we expect an announcement?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10872 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 6):
When can we expect an announcement?

I believe the board are meeting around July 28th, so around then


User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Quoting SQ6807,reply 216 in thread #35:
On an entirely unrelated matter - is NZ still operating the flights from CHC intl terminal to AKL intl terminal? If so, are they going well enough to consider a similar service for WLG? If New Zealand's laws are similar to Australia's non intl transfer passengers could also be accomodated on these services.

I think this works well at CHC because there are customs staff already there handling flights from Singapore or Japan that arrive around the same time; whereas there are no other international arrivals at WLG until mid-afternoon which creates something of a staffing problem. So personally I wouldn't expect to see a WLG connector anytime soon.

ax

[Edited 2008-07-18 01:35:31]


Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
I personally feel this strike at this time just shows how selfish the pilots and unions are. It appears to be common practise to have stikes at important times

Talks have been going on for months and months and months. Air Nelson won't budge. Bloody oath the strike was timed for maximum impact!! How else do you get it out into the public and media eye. I think just about every pilot in New Zealand is behind the Air Nelson crew. Just wait till Eagle and Mainline Pilot's jump on the band wagon!!

[Edited 2008-07-18 02:37:36]

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10795 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
I personally feel this strike at this time just shows how selfish the pilots and unions are. It appears to be common practise to have stikes at important times

Not the perfect time for industrial action when many airlines are cutting staff.

Are there further strikes planned?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10771 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 9):
Air Nelson won't budge.

And your surprised they arn't budging? I'm not surprised they arn't budging considering todays enviorment. I wonder if this strike is actually doing more damange then good for the pilots. Come sunday there could be many people pissed off with the pilots (I would be if my travel plans were disrupted by a strike), and they will most likly vent their anger at the pilots who arn't members of a union, when it should be directed at union members. I do agree though that they should have more time in terms of weekends for family time, but not the pay increase they are wanting cause in a short time they will have enough hours to move onto bigger aircraft with NZ, QF, DJ or an other airline if they want to work longer hours and also because airlines can't afford pay rises. If management can handle a pay freeze, then why can't other airline employees handle it? Yes many people are struggling with their budgets, but they can cut back on things like treats for the kids, not taking as many car trips and hell even maybe start walking places instead on short trips


Does anyone know if there is still a shortage of pilots training?

Quoting Cchan (Reply 10):
Not the perfect time for industrial action when many airlines are cutting staff.

100% agree. Wouldn't be surprised if the union members are first on the chopping block at Air Nelson if it comes to laying off staff


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10745 times:



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 9):
I think just about every pilot in New Zealand is behind the Air Nelson crew. Just wait till Eagle and Mainline Pilot's jump on the band wagon!!

Yea, I agree

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is still a shortage of pilots training?

There never really was a shortage, all hype IMO. Still a surplus and there has been for a long time (although arguably the surplus is slightly less now, particularily for flight instructors)


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10737 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 12):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is still a shortage of pilots training?

There never really was a shortage, all hype IMO. Still a surplus and there has been for a long time (although arguably the surplus is slightly less now, particularily for flight instructors)

Then you could say that if any pilots arn't happy with their pay/conditions and leave Air Nelson, then there will be others who will happily fill the vacancy (like you ZKSUJ)


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

777ER, please only comment on a subject when you know something about it. Your last post just about made me spit tacks!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
but not the pay increase they are wanting cause in a short time they will have enough hours to move onto bigger aircraft with NZ, QF, DJ or an other airline if they want to work longer hours and also because airlines can't afford pay rises

Airlines are hurting, but so are the staff!!! We all have bills and have to eat!!! Inflation 4% and increasing. Pay in real terms is going backwards!!! Not everyone wants to move on to Jets. Many people are happy at Eagle/Air Nelson/Mount Cook etc. This round of pay negotiations has actually seen a few 'lifers' with 10-20 years in the company get so pissed off they have resigned. I trained for a respected profession that came with a liveable wage. I did not spend years training, years building hours and years paying off debt to merely 'exist.'

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
If management can handle a pay freeze, then why can't other airline employees handle it?

Oh yeah sure, now they take a pay freeze. Media don't seem to mention the management pay increase for JH that went through a few months ago. As for RF, yeah I'm sure the freeze on $1.6 Million will be real tough

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
hell even maybe start walking places instead on short trips

Yeah because we all know that (lets just use the some of the Air Nelson ports) TRG, NPL, NPE, NSN are real close to town. No need to pay for petrol to get to work at 6am in the morning, lets walk!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is still a shortage of pilots training?

Never was a shortage and never will be, smoke and mirrors.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
100% agree. Wouldn't be surprised if the union members are first on the chopping block at Air Nelson if it comes to laying off staff

I honestly believe that if Air Nelson did this EVERY SINGLE ALPA member at EVERY SINGLE Air NZ outfit would walk off the job. As I said in my last post, this is just the start. Eagle and Mainline contracts up for negotation soon................


User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10718 times:

I'm a little curious as to what the current pay is and what the demands are.

TVNZ mentioned something on the news about a senior pilot earning around $100k p.a. for a 31 hour week - which is pretty damn awesome for a non-management position in any industry. However I like to think I maintain a healthy scepticism of journalism and I'm sure that is the figure Air NZ wants people to hear and may not give an accurate feel for the overall situation.

ax



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10713 times:

Quoting Axio (Reply 15):
I'm sure that is the figure Air NZ wants people to hear and may not give an accurate feel for the overall situation.


Interesting     Yeah sure

[Edited 2008-07-18 04:32:54]

[Edited 2008-07-18 04:34:15]

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10679 times:



Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):

Absolutely agree, very well said.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
I'm buying the more expensive fares, so its perfectly fair that customers buying more expensive fares expect a far better service, instead of a cheap packet of 4 lollies that even a 4 year old wouldn't like to get served, so maybe its time NZ gives its higher fare payers a pie, sandwich or slice of cake on each domestic flight!

Why? They are running an airline...not a restaurant. The small snacks are just a bit of variety to have on the side of your coffee or tea, which of course they aren't obliged to offer at all. Maybe you could make a sandwich at home, by a pie at the caltex along the way, or do some baking and make yourself a slice of cake to take on the plane and eat....you could always fly QF, apparently they have quiche.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Maybe its time NZ starts treating it customers with respect cause after all its us pax who are helping to pay their employees/managements wages and putting food on their employees tables.

A pie = respect??  Confused I thought getting you safely and quickly from A to B at a reasonable price would have been enough...


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10677 times:



Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
by a pie at the caltex along the way

Nah bro, go to BP. Its 'Gormet pie'  Wink


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10543 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
777ER, please only comment on a subject when you know something about it

If we only commented on things we knew then oh how boring this place would be! Anyway, people are entitiled to free speech, and anyway a.net is a place where people can freely discuss topics, if you don't like that, then take the problem up with the management at a.net.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
but not the pay increase they are wanting cause in a short time they will have enough hours to move onto bigger aircraft with NZ, QF, DJ or an other airline if they want to work longer hours and also because airlines can't afford pay rises

Airlines are hurting, but so are the staff!!! We all have bills and have to eat!!! Inflation 4% and increasing. Pay in real terms is going backwards!!!

And I'm also hurting in todays life, and so are the rest of the country with petrol prices, increased fuel prices, increased house prices and re-payments etc etc etc, so its now just airlines and their employees. I got a pay rise several months back, but it wan't enough to cover my increased costs, but do you see me complaining, no because I love my job, and if you love your job then you should be happy your in a job you love! Airline pilots clearly love their career choice cause if they didn't then they wouldn't have payed tens of thousands for their training to fly

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
Media don't seem to mention the management pay increase for JH that went through a few months ago.

Now you've got me confussed as I havn't a clue who JH is

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
hell even maybe start walking places instead on short trips

Yeah because we all know that (lets just use the some of the Air Nelson ports) TRG, NPL, NPE, NSN are real close to town. No need to pay for petrol to get to work at 6am in the morning, lets walk!

If walking is too far for them, then how about purchasing a scooter or a motorbike like I have and commute to work on that. Hell petrol only costs me $10 every 2 weeks on my bike and my work isn't just down the road, where my mitsi Galant would cost me anywhere between $50-$80 depending on how many trips I do. If that doesn't suit them, then there is always public transport, car pooling or maybe even start a deal with a local super shuttle company to transport workers via certain routes to/from work each day. All those options are way cheaper then using a car and in return you save money. Since I got my bike in August, I've saved $1300 in petrol and maintaince bills on my car

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is still a shortage of pilots training?

Never was a shortage and never will be, smoke and mirrors.

Well I do remember reading on stuff.co.nz last year or early this year that there was/will be a pilot shortage

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 14):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
100% agree. Wouldn't be surprised if the union members are first on the chopping block at Air Nelson if it comes to laying off staff

I honestly believe that if Air Nelson did this EVERY SINGLE ALPA member at EVERY SINGLE Air NZ outfit would walk off the job

And risk being out a job and no pay, I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be surprised if NZ announces soon any job cuts in all departments including Air Nelson, Mt Cook and Eagle. Any business would keep its loyal staff.

Quoting Axio (Reply 15):

I saw that also. I think it was an Air Nelson manager. If a senior pilot gets that pay, then they shouldn't be complaining as they will easily survive on that pay. I know someone whos dad gets $100,000 per year and with 4 kids all attending private schools and a nice mortgage, they survive very well

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
Why? They are running an airline...not a restaurant.

So you believe its very fair that pax who pay the expensive fares get treated like the cheap fare pax? Just remember that its us pax who also help pay your wages/salary and if we arn't happy with the service/treatment we get then our business goes else where, and if my current travelling keeps up the way it is, then Jetconnect is looking very tempting right now as they offer better food, drinks

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Maybe its time NZ starts treating it customers with respect cause after all its us pax who are helping to pay their employees/managements wages and putting food on their employees tables.

A pie = respect??

Well a pie is totally better then 4 lollies or a handful of chips!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10540 times:
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Pacific Blue plans worry crews

Pacific Blue Airlines says it remains in an expansionary phase with New Zealand operations, despite a report that its staff are fearful about being rehired following a contract change.


The airline's commercial general manager, Adrian Hamilton-Manns, said announcements would be made soon.

"We're in an expansion mode ... we've more than doubled the airline in terms of departures in the last six months, and our whole strategy for the next couple of years is actually to expand aggressively ... we are looking to make some significant announcements within the next fortnight."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4623356a13.html


Fears of trans-Tasman 'bloodbath'


Air New Zealand says the trans-Tasman market is on the cusp of returning to a bloodbath as a number of airlines look to enter the route or add more capacity.


Air NZ head of short haul airlines Bruce Parton said profits on the Tasman were again under pressure from sustained record fuel costs just over a year after services were restructured to stem heavy losses on the route.

Air NZ and Qantas tried to merge their trans-Tasman businesses in 2006 to save costs and make the route profitable. But the deal was rejected by consumer watchdogs as too anti-competitive.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4623357a13.html


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10522 times:



Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
Maybe you could make a sandwich at home, by a pie at the caltex along the way, or do some baking and make yourself a slice of cake to take on the plane and eat....you could always fly QF, apparently they have quiche.

That is so long as AirNZ continues to allow people to take food on board - there are some airlines that do not let you do this. Will the airline be to blame if someone faints because somebody has brought on board their own peanuts?

Food and Drink on short haul services is a rod for the airline's own back. When Ansett gave domestic passengers fantastic meals that was great. When the tried to cut the meals back to two biscuits, howls of protests. At least when you have to pay for the food you get a wider choice. Though the need to handle cash is one of the things that slows the trolley going down the aisle. At least the basic drinks and peanuts can be handed out very quickly on Southwest.

If the airlines want to acknowledge passengers who are paying a higher fare - bmi offers their Business passengers the same food that other people have to buy, but the Business passengers can choose some items for no cost by showing their Card. If passengers do not have cards, they could get vouchers at check in.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10504 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I got a pay rise several months back, but it wan't enough to cover my increased costs, but do you see me complaining, no because I love my job, and if you love your job then you should be happy your in a job you love!

Love does not cover my increased food bill or my increased rent.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Now you've got me confussed as I havn't a clue who JH is

John Hambleton the Air Nelson GM. How can you consider yourself informed and make comments when you don't even know who the key players are?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
And risk being out a job and no pay, I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be surprised if NZ announces soon any job cuts in all departments including Air Nelson, Mt Cook and Eagle. Any business would keep its loyal staff.

I don't think you truly appreciate A) How powerful ALPA can be and B) How much solidarity their is between pilot's at the moment. Striking pilot's include Training and Check and Training which are irreplaceable in the short term. You fire them, the airline grounds even further to a halt.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I saw that also. I think it was an Air Nelson manager. If a senior pilot gets that pay, then they shouldn't be complaining as they will easily survive on that pay. I know someone whos dad gets $100,000 per year and with 4 kids all attending private schools and a nice mortgage, they survive very well

You believe what you see on the news? Maybe one or two management pilot's on 100K. Halve that and your getting a lot closer to what most get. You trying paying the mortgage, bills and things for your 3 kids on that.

I don't know why your posts are pissing me off so much, I don't even work for Air Nelson but another company all together (am still an ALPA member, maybe that's why). It's like your living in your own sheltered world. People are struggling to pay bills and in your posts your going on about how many chips you get onboard? Come on man, Grow Up!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10472 times:
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Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I got a pay rise several months back, but it wan't enough to cover my increased costs, but do you see me complaining, no because I love my job, and if you love your job then you should be happy your in a job you love!

Love does not cover my increased food bill or my increased rent.

If you don't love your job, then maybe your in the wrong job/industry. Have you ever considered that?

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Now you've got me confussed as I havn't a clue who JH is

John Hambleton the Air Nelson GM. How can you consider yourself informed and make comments when you don't even know who the key players are?

Not knowing who the key players are at Air Nelson doesn't matter as you don't see them on TV as its always NZ HQ staff

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
And risk being out a job and no pay, I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be surprised if NZ announces soon any job cuts in all departments including Air Nelson, Mt Cook and Eagle. Any business would keep its loyal staff.

I don't think you truly appreciate A) How powerful ALPA can be and B)

No union has the right to black mail or even threaten anyone. There are laws which stop blackmailing. If the union employee involved goes to far then Air Nelson or NZ have every right to lay a formal complaint with police

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
Striking pilot's include Training and Check and Training which are irreplaceable in the short term. You fire them, the airline grounds even further to a halt.

Your right about the airlines not willing to fire them, but they would be one of the highest paid employees in that division in the airline so they are better off then the others in the division

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I saw that also. I think it was an Air Nelson manager. If a senior pilot gets that pay, then they shouldn't be complaining as they will easily survive on that pay. I know someone whos dad gets $100,000 per year and with 4 kids all attending private schools and a nice mortgage, they survive very well

You believe what you see on the news?

No I don't always believe what the news states as they don't often get the info correct, but an employee stating it on the news wouldn't be lying

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 22):
I don't know why your posts are pissing me off so much, I don't even work for Air Nelson but another company all together (am still an ALPA member, maybe that's why). It's like your living in your own sheltered world. People are struggling to pay bills and in your posts your going on about how many chips you get onboard? Come on man, Grow Up!

How can you consider yourself informed if your not employeed by Air Nelson, or do you use second hand info like everyone does who isn't involved in the deals? Like I said before I'm also finding life today difficult with todays constant price rises, so I know how others feel. I'm complaining about the number of chips/lollies (and so are other pax who fly often and who pay higher fares who obviously arn't members of a.net or they would be backing me up) believe its unfair to be treated like crap with the 'snack' service. Hopfully NZ will treat its higher fare paying customers better from October (going by the date that NZ1 said more changes will be happening on domestic) on domestic flights in terms of snacks. No need to grow up as I've already growen up, but mostly because others are also getting sick and tired of being treated like crap when we use either our own income, the company pays for our more expensive fares or we use our own income to pay the extra difference in order to get air points.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10455 times:
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Pilots' strike causing little disruption - GM

Air Nelson flights are continuing with no major disruptions despite pilots being on a three-day strike, general manager John Hambleton said today.


Pilots have been striking since midnight on Thursday and will return at midnight on Sunday.

The New Zealand Airline Pilots' Association members say the strike follows lengthy negotiations between the parties which have stalled.

The pilots want a pay rise and changes to rostering, which they claim currently allows only one weekend off each month.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4624157a11.html


25 TG992 : Unbelievable. 777ER's comments are living proof that no good deed goes unpunished. If you'd prefer to go back to the days when AKL-IVC cost an even $1
26 Mr AirNZ : ALPA news letters keep union members informed. That plus the fact I've had drinks/lunch/visited several of the friends a I have in Air Nelson recentl
27 Mr AirNZ : Let's correct another error the media insist on reporting. The pilots don't want more than one weekend off a month, they want a single GURANTEED week
28 Koruman : Forget the rostering issues, the salary is NZ $97,000 per year, which is appalling. Pilots are one group who really can ply their trade international
29 ZKSUJ : Big contributor to the strike Mr JH is Stuff in this case is a load of crap. In another event, a media reporter wrote a story about a new aircraft tr
30 ZKSUJ : Not the most accurate figure on a whole. Think a little lower...
31 NZ1 : By all means go to JetConnect, along with their lengthy delays due to aging aircraft and PB with their cramped cabins. JetConnect may not even be her
32 Flyjetstar : Which is interesting considering that it wasn't that long ago that QF made the announcement about their commitment to the New Zealand market, along w
33 777ER : How is that appalling? I think thats a very healthy sallary Yes no one did, but always going on stike when you don't get what you want is basically b
34 Post contains links Mariner : The Australian treasurer, Wayne Swan, says that Australia is committed to a single market with New Zealand: http://news.theage.com.au/national/p...z-s
35 777ER : Now that the AKL-PEK flights are now flying, how was the loads on the first flights? Is there much changes to flight loads for after the olympics fini
36 777ER : With NZ saying on stuff.co.nz that the TT market will become a blood bath shortly again, will the Oz and NZ governments work out an agreement which w
37 TG992 : The first flight departed with about 75 open seats. There have been some very low fare offers on the route. However, the CEO appears to be committed t
38 777ER : So 238 seats sold. With the recent media reports on expanding the PEK flight to Europe loads should greatly improve and profits will rise even if the
39 Alangirvan : Some of the seats on AKL-PEK will be occupied by NZSO, who are going to play a couple of pre-Olympics concerts. So about 100 seats for the orchestra.
40 Koruman : I'd politely disagree. These aren't necessarily my values, but around the world pilots would expect to be able to fund the following lifestyle as a m
41 777ER : Sounds like then the NZSO will get some very nice extra space. Maybe there will be a concert on board if the NZSO feel like it. Isn't that just a myt
42 TG992 : A lot of pilots have a second cheaper car they use to travel to/from the airport. Jet fuel in the air isn't particularly kind to rubber or paint on ca
43 Axio : Ummm... would it be fair to say this is a little detached from reality. As I understand I pilot has undergone several years training, and further sup
44 Post contains images 777ER : Thanks for that very interesting perspective. I would consider a Major in the NZ Army to be more deserving for a big pay package/big pay rise instead
45 NZ747 : Pilots invest a lot of money in their training. My student loan, for example, is sitting on about $90k which included my flight training/university f
46 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Ahh stereotyping eh   Not easy to achieve on a SO/FO salary... As I said before, 97k is misleading if you are taking the average salary. Its not a r
47 777ER : Yes Flying is a dangerous job, especially with GA, but the Army, Air Force, Navy and Police put their lives on the line for our country which pilots
48 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Watching too much Shortland street now are we Jase   Sounds like my loan (literally). Mind you, many would argue I've been a bit silly for going to
49 Cchan : This depends on where they work. Doctors in a lot of developing countries don't get paid much, and most likely the pilots get more pay there. Anyway,
50 Axio : Firstly, thanks for the civil replies.. I'm well aware this is an emotional topic I take this point on board. In that respect it's tough to have to pu
51 ZKSUJ : There are such schemes, but overseas and usually for their nationals only. Its fair enough many airlines and nations want to protect 'their own'. In
52 Nzrich : interesting you brought up QF and CHC-WLG seems the have forgotten that wee promise to restart that route
53 777ER : Hey that show does provide some good entertainment, but from the amount of times I've visited the hospital it really shows how understaffed they are
54 ZKSUJ : Reality is, my trainiing is as good as anyone elses. Everywhere has its pros and cons. I wouldn't say most places give anyone an advantage to the poi
55 Post contains images NZ747 : All good points, I can see where you are coming from.   Very good point. I guess this is why pilots are payed a lot less than in the 'glory' days, r
56 ZKSUJ : Anyway. Anyone know anything about Eagle staring up services to Masterton? They would have to build a small terminal I presume? (not to mention the B1
57 Duff : Plenty of uninformed people in here who are taking Air NZ management rhetoric as gospel. They are being very selective about what they're telling you
58 NZ747 : Can't see that lasting long, even if it does happen. Whats the story with paraparam? Have they started development there yet?
59 ZKSUJ : Nicely said my friend They want Q300 services in the near future, 250million bucks spent on redevelopment I think.[Edited 2008-07-19 19:44:57]
60 Koruman : I've been somewhat silent for the last few weeks because I've been travelling around the USA and Mexico. A couple of conclusions which I've arrived at
61 777ER : NZ7571 has finally had its first flight since having its mods done in Mobile, Alabama. NZ7572 is nearly finished. Both B752s will be fully operational
62 DavidByrne : Welcome back K'man - we missed you. I don't think that it matters a damn what pilots are paid in other jurisdictions - to my mind their relativities s
63 ZKSUJ : Whats that supposed to mean? Just remember not everyone wants to go into Long haul. Regional TP jobs suit many just fine. As for the rest of your pos
64 ZKSUJ : This calls to bring back SYD-LAX Man this thread is closing on 70 posts in just over 2 days, not bad
65 Rongotai : There is no such thing as a 'New Zealand market' for flight crew. It is a global market with some local distortions. The distortions that matter in t
66 777ER : What its supposed to mean is that they are employeed by a Link carrier and not NZ mainline, so intill they join mainline then they should accept the
67 Koruman : Thanks for your kind words. We are back to the never-ending saga of how can the 777-200ERs best be utilised, aren't we? Personally, my instinct now i
68 777ER : Obviously you booked with UA due to the B777? So if you book online on UAs web-site a US domestic leg, you can get first class cheaper on UAs site th
69 DJ738 : It's not often I have to disagree with NZ1, but in this instance I must. PacificBlue's seat pitch is an average 32" throughout the cabin (not includi
70 Koruman : Actually, no. I needed to fly Orange County-Indianapolis-LAX and asked my Air NZ Travelcentre, who quoted the usual Star Alliance Economy add-on fare
71 Knid : Guess it depends on what she thinks about a 10-15 year trip to the Kingdom, and then she can return with no loan, and find a consultant/private posit
72 Mr AirNZ : Again you don't seem to have your facts accurate and I feel compelled to correct somethings. Starting salary for a Police Officer following their SIX
73 ZKSUJ : Good point NZ1 just out of curiosity, with the refits, what will be the range of the 763s out of the shop? Where would be the furthest they would be
74 777ER : I'm not saying that management should dictate, what I'm saying is that Link employees shouldn't expect mainline treatment as they don't fly for mainl
75 Kiwiandrew : personally I love the product (much better than QF's much vaunted but already obsolete Skybed - I am not a big fan of trying to sleep on a slope ) bu
76 Duff : What is unreasonable about this? Why should Q drivers get less for lunch than a jet pilot?? Do they eat less because they fly turbo props? As it is a
77 Post contains images ZKSUJ : You have to remember, not everyone wants to leave the small airlines and jobs like Air NZ and Air Force One.   Some like to fly 'regional' within th
78 DavidByrne : Isn't this a contradiction? If you keep the 744 on NZ1/2, then you can't get them out of the fleet ASAP. Unless, of course, you could source, say, th
79 Zkojh : Air New Zealand from 01SEP08 to 30NOV08 will only operate 1 weekly service on the Auckland - Beijing route whats the reason for this, loads on this ro
80 Cchan : Most of these are about Air Nelson industrial action though, the diversity in topics is pretty poor.
81 Alangirvan : This could happen. Discussion only a few weeks ago was that BA, QF and also NZ have been offered cancelled 77Ws. Nothing has happened very quickly. H
82 Mr AirNZ : Duff, Brillant mate, absolutely brillant!!! Could be the best response I have ever read.
83 Xiaotung : Loads are bad indeed, especially the PEK-AKL sector. I was told NZ internally encourages staff to fly to Beijing real cheap like $250 to fill these s
84 Zkpilot : I'm not getting into the general argument as there seems to be a bit too much steam being released about the place, but I did have to make a comment
85 777ER : NZrich has previously stated that NZ mainline pilots can't really strike due to their contracts, and if they do NZ can get a court order and force th
86 Mr AirNZ : I think Duff makes a very good point. A pie from the Cafe in CHC costs the same whether you fly the 737 or a T/P. His post refered to meal allowances
87 Duff : Don't think you understand what I mean by allowances. Well I've learnt something new today. Cheers.... What does this have to do with Breakfast, Lunch
88 Mr AirNZ : I think you'll find that when they start the contract negoations (starts soon if it hasn't already) they can most definitly carry out industrial acti
89 Duff : Tell that to cadets that jump straight on to a 747 after completing their training in light piston twins. Admittedly they are SO's but they are still
90 NZ1 : The range will be reduced slightly from what it is at present, but will still be able to operate to the places it currently does. NZ1
91 777ER : Right now, here we are getting several different wants by the Air Nelson pilots, NZ and Air Nelson are saying this "Other claims relating to rosterin
92 Nzrich : Each division can strike when negotiations of THEIR OWN contract fail and when the current contract expires only .. This is NZ law .. They can not go
93 Aerokiwi : Frankly, to the pilots complaining about their pay (and let's face it, don't we all?), it's your choice to enter into pilot training and pursue a care
94 Post contains links 777ER : Qantas rule leaves toddler stranded in Christchurch A Cromwell mother is trying to reunite with her toddler in Christchurch this week after she was ba
95 Mr AirNZ : Yes I am aware of that. I may have not made myself clear but I was refering to the upcoming mainline contract negotiations. I know that many ATR and
96 RichardJF : The pilots have to remember that cpi increases in food fuel don't hit somebody making a 100k anything like somebody making 50k Added to that NZ is mak
97 Mr AirNZ : Alright just one more post (this is definitly my last, I am not going to read this thread for a few days to resist the temptation) I know you are just
98 Zkpilot : I was not talking about B,D and L allowances (although food often costs more overseas, but in NZL they should all be getting the same most definantly
99 Knid : Pilots don't take oaths, anyways say 20% do turn up, NZ's still in the poo. I'm all for people been paid what the market dictates, just because of th
100 777ER : Quick question, whats the base salary for an Eagle pilot, Air Nelson, Mt Cook and B733 pilot (even if you can't give the exact salary then just say b
101 Cchan : A PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) has nothing to do with the capability of the nurse to heal that person, it only means the nurse has done some research i
102 777ER : Now that I know what base salary a FO and capts gets, An Air Nelson FO starts on a very good salarly IMHO, while the Capt - WOW.......VERY nice salar
103 Knid : I used it more as a reference to higher level academic study as the DNS is not widely recognised, however if you want to be technical, the PhD is a d
104 777ER : Theres a poll on stuff.co.nz right now asking readers "Should a 14-year-old boy have been allowed to fly alone with his toddler sister?" 68.2% (7437
105 Post contains links 777ER : Qantas CEO tips 'new aviation world order' Qantas Airways Ltd chief executive Geoff Dixon has tipped the global aviation industry to consolidate into
106 Cchan : Well, it depends. The nurse can have a PhD in Ecology! Talking about this subject, is it true that people with a Dr title are more likely to get upgr
107 Post contains links 777ER : Airline to charge $8 for bags Pacific Blue will become the first New Zealand airline to charge domestic passengers to check in their bags from Septemb
108 SunriseValley : I wonder how they will treat passengers who arrived on an international flight and are flying around N.Z. or who are connecting with an outbound inte
109 DJ738 : I can see passengers trying to get out of paying the checked baggage fee by "smuggling" large and heavy bags onboard instead.
110 Alangirvan : Airlines like Ryanair and Jetstar allow you to carry up to 10kg into the cabin to avoid the check in fee. Ryanair was the airline that invented the b
111 Nzrich : Well its the same as now i would assume if your connecting to a international or booked as part of a international journey you get the international
112 AerorobNZ : The answer is no. On a full 738 QF/FJ don't have enough space, and their config is far less. Indeed when we have a full ship of 8/144 aboard our A320
113 Axio : One big bag still takes up more space and weight than two small ones right? It just annoys me personally a bit because I often travel with an instrum
114 Zkpilot : So long as the pax can produce: tickets/itinery showing that the flights were booked as part of one trip (rather than buying the cheap domestic super
115 Koruman : No, airlines double-charge in effect. No-one (except Ryanair, briefly) reduces fares when they introduce bag charges, they just add it as extra reven
116 777ER : Rob Fyfe is on 'Close up at 7' tonight on Tv1. Its about him doing what his employees do
117 777ER : But what if part of your trip is on a non star alliance airline, like a OneWorld carrier?
118 KiwiRob : Have you ever travelled with children, in no way shape or form is one bag sufficient.
119 Post contains links 777ER : Designer seeks partners to launch aircraft on market A Hamilton designer is looking for equity partners to launch a new Omega light aircraft on the do
120 Rongotai : Well I am about to travel Air Baltic from Gatwick to Vilnius with my international baggage from NZ. I KNOW they charge for checked bags because their
121 DavidByrne : Agree 100% regarding fuel surcharges - and in NZ all fare are already surcharge- and tax-inclusive. But I think it's quite a different thing when it
122 Cchan : Passengers sitting in the middle seat should get a discount, especially for long haul!!!
123 Rwy21 : It looks like it might be EUR 9 or 15 depending on the class, its got a few costs listed under "information for travellers - baggage transportation"
124 777ER : Maybe NZ should introduce the new type of seats that CO is installing in their long haul aircraft. I forgot what the new seats are called, but when y
125 Koruman : The thing is, oil prices are already on the way back down to more appropriate levels, but do you think that those airlines which are charging for fir
126 Cchan : Sometimes it is good to be able to buy food on board: if you fly economy class on NZ14 or NZ848 to RAR, you get served only a small tray of food (fre
127 DavidByrne : No, they're probably a realistic way of trying to segment out the actual cost of baggage handling - even adds a little bit of transparency to pricing
128 KiwiRob : You should have bought a BMW they come with runflat tyres, or a Mercedes they come with a pump and a can of foam. As for the food maybe you should ha
129 Koruman : .....which is another of my bugbears. The Pacific Express model is supposed to make fares that teeny-weenie bit lower to attract more passengers. But
130 777ER : From my experiences with BMWs, then cost more to fix, so avoid them especially when their name perfectly works with Bring My Wallet
131 Koruman : It is a German car, and it came with what is basically a tube of glue to plug a puncture. That would have been fine, except my tyre looked it had bee
132 Zkpilot : I watched this.... good to see Fyfe getting down and dirty to so speak with his minnions. I remember NZ used (I think they still do have) a day with
133 Rongotai : Thanks Rwy21
134 DavidByrne : . . . and maybe NZ management will think like that - there's no current proposal for meals to be separated out for individual purchase on NZ, to my k
135 Alangirvan : I am thinking about bags again..... As you will have seen in yesterday's AirNZ press release, AirNZ are crying out that the Pacific Blue baggage charg
136 AerorobNZ : I've seen it done, usually by parents who are experienced travellers. Personally I don't see why infants on NZ getting a full luggage allowance of 20
137 KiwiRob : Seen it done and doing it yourself are completely different, it's a logistical mission akin to invading Iraq. My wife and I are experienced travellers
138 777ER : So either an Audi or VW, as long as it isn't a VW Passat, as they are a nightmare like with maintaince! The company I work for has BMW's and VW's as
139 SunriseValley : Why didn't NZ take the high road on this one. The consumer would have already figured it out, they didn't need NZ to jump in. In my view a very poor
140 Nzrich : as long as its booked in one booking ie one PNR and all ticketed at the same time will be no problem .. But if the domestic ticket is booked separate
141 KiwiRob : My last 3 cars have been a VW Golf, Mercedes C class and now a BMW, none of them have ever had any issues apart from routine maintenance, whereas the
142 777ER : NZ has got $2 fares to Napier/Hastings today from AKL, WLG and CHC. Bay of Islands have got $10 fares to WLG and AKL and Dunedin has got $20 fares to
143 SQ6807 : The grabaseat site is completely clogged this morning and I for one can't get in to it - not for want or trying! I guess that the fares will now all b
144 767er : Any idea when the first 767/A320 with the refurbed IFE will enter service.?
145 Koruman : Ah, the joys of being a young male. I can assure you, the "experienced travellers" you refer to are ones experienced in travelling without kids, whos
146 ZKSUJ : Just watched TV3 news. Anyone know more about NZ staff and speaking Maori on board? Is it going to be interaction with PAX i.e kiaora etc etc etc... o
147 777ER : Its coming up shortly on Tv1. As English is New Zealand's official language, then IMHO any announcements in Maori shouldn't be announced as only a ve
148 Post contains links Mariner : New Zealand has three official languages - English, Maori (from 1987) and NZ Sign Language (from 2006). http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealandInBrief/Go
149 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ says prices will rise again Air New Zealand, which has had to hike prices four times this year due to rising fuel prices, may need to hike them
150 Koruman : Excuse me, but Maori is the native language at the destination on all flights to Rarotonga and Papeete too. Why not?
151 Flyjetstar : Tell us what you really think why don't you. Maori is an official language of Aotearoa so it is entitled to be taught in our schools. I for one like
152 Zkpilot : well said. Although I can understand if Maori children get to learn it younger (provided they still learn English of course). I don't think Te Reo sh
153 Cchan : Locals in the Cook Islands told me that Cook Islands Maori language is closer to Tahitian than to NZ Maori. I am sure some foreign tourists would als
154 Post contains links Alangirvan : Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 151): Our national anthem is best when it is sung in both Maori and English. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wILc82cRwK0 Just in
155 777ER : The maori version of Tahiti, and the Cook Islands is different as ZKpilot has already stated. I fully support their launguage being announced as well
156 ZKSUJ : Anyone know if the safety videos and announcements are in Maori? (like AC does french and English) or is Maori going to be used more commonly for gree
157 777ER : I've never come across any safety announcements or announcements in maori on any domestic or International flight
158 Mariner : The percentage is irrelevant, it is an official language of this country. I don't want to get into the politics of it, but I think the cultural diffe
159 Flyjetstar : I think you'll find that it wasn't created for rugby! I think it was part of the Maori culture long before a rugby game which was my point. We are ha
160 ZKSUJ : Yea I know, just wondering if Air NZ will start or if its just gonna be used for greetings etc etc... The news didnt make it clear. maybe TG992 could
161 KiwiRob : I think you will find that the relationship between Maori and the Pacific Islands you mentioned is somewhat like the relationship between, Norwegian,
162 TG992 : "I'm not racist/homophobic/antifeminist - I have black/gay/female friends!" I swear to god sometimes I wonder if 777ER is an imaginary person, an ela
163 NZ107 : It's part of the Treaty.. Article 2 - which states that the crown would preserve treasures and things important to the Maori.. Reasonings behind it a
164 Alangirvan : On Air Niugini, I think they do some of the safety briefing in pidgin. I heard that the translation of "in the event of a decompression" is "if plane
165 Cchan : They do, on the domestic flights. Indeed most briefings are given in pidgin only, and they assume if you understand English, you can understand pidgi
166 ZK-NBT : So Aviation aye. Any guesses on what will be NZ's new long haul destination for 2009 or if they still plan to go ahead with the current fuel prices? I
167 NZ107 : I would probably be behind an extension of one of the routes to Mainland Europe. Then again with the economic situation looking even more dim, will t
168 Zkpilot : So who actually speaks it? a few elderly Maori, some kids in Te Reo classes, and political activists.... that about covers the majority of Te Reo Mao
169 DavidByrne : If I recall, the late delivery of the B787 was touted a few months back by NZ management as a reason why they may not necessarily stick with the "one
170 Koruman : Will someone please wake me up when we return from ethnic point-scoring to aviation? As for new routes, even Beijing is only really a figurehead route
171 Rongotai : I thought we weren't supposed to get into politically and socially contentious issues here. Otherwise I would have to start stating my reasons for pr
172 SunriseValley : I guess one of the issues would be negotiating the way out of the leases on 5 747's one of which is very recent. In another posting in this thread th
173 Koruman : As Armchair CEO, here would be my long-haul fleet and network with effect from October 2009: Eight 777-200LR, configured 36J, 40U (5 rows of 8 abreas
174 DavidByrne : Let's just say that they were to replace the 744s one-for-one with 77Ls, and operated them on the same schedules as currently planned for the 744s. W
175 SunriseValley : In the interest of accuracy only, 4 of the owned 772 are now three leased, one owned making seven leased one owned. I still have trouble with the YVR
176 Cchan : Or maybe they decided they wouldn't be bothered to discuss an AT7 replacement?
177 TG992 : To help the armchair CEOs here, here's a rough idea of the fuel costs based on 23 Jul 08 fuel costs. NZ 744 operating AKL-LAX-AKL: $450,000NZD NZ 772
178 Koruman : And, if other posts on this board are to be believed, 777-200LR operating AKL-SFO-AKL: approx $270,000. It seems to be ludicrous to be foregoing the
179 SunriseValley : I can't subscribe to that argument. My take is that they raised cash by the sale and lease back of three 772's and one 744 and they are playing it sa
180 Aerohottie : I would have a slightly different take... I would take all 12 aircraft being offered (8x772LR & 4x773ER) 3x 744 AKL-HKG-LHR (Retained until 773ER air
181 Darenw : I second that, from a passengers perspective, (and my opinion) the 747 is far superior than a 777
182 ZK-NBT : So according to that you want 10 77Ws. I personally can't see IAH or ORD working even though ORD is a big UA hub. A second HKG flight IMO would be a
183 Gasman : And I would "third" that. Particularly in the case of pacific Premium Economy, the difference between the product offered on the two aircraft is vast
184 Koruman : The future of the LHR-LAX sector has been seriously endangered by the closure of the LAX-HNL, LAX-PPT and LAX-NAN sectors. When I was in Tahiti at Eas
185 ANstar : Would that config work? Air Canada have 42U 228Y on their 772LR's. would 6 J seats and 28Y seats make space for 40 Y+?
186 DavidByrne : Whoa - aren't we getting a little carried away with expansion plans when we're in the middle (perhaps the start?) of a downturn and the clear signal i
187 777ER : Just got back from a very freezing weekend in CHC. WLG was way warmer then CHC even with the strong southerly this evening In reply #151 you said "you
188 Koruman : Speak for yourself - I'm talking about replacing 747s with significantly smaller and more efficient 777-200LR aircraft, whereas the airline intended
189 NZ2 : And I would "fourth" that !!!! Why on earth would you travel PE sitting 9 abreast, does not make any sense. However my favorite config aircraft (trav
190 Gasman : Completely agree NZ2, the 767 had/has an awesome config in economy. A couple could sit together in privacy; a family of five could have 2+3; a family
191 NZ1 : A320 OJN starts its upgrade tomorrow - Mon 28th and rolls out of CHC's Hangar 5 the following Tues/Wed at this stage. NZ1
192 TG992 : Guys, despite the fact you don't like the 3-3--3 layout in PE, it continues to be bursting at the seams on every flight I operate. Therefore, despite
193 Aerohottie : How about a PER cross over... 3x 772LR CHC-PER-JNB 3x 772LR AKL-PER-LHR
194 Gasman : Bollocks - it's only full because there are only 18 seats, and it remains marginally better that standard Y on the 777. There's not getting away from
195 777ER : I saw a QF aircraft which was either a B733/4 with what looked like 'Spirit of Australia' on it. Is Jetconnect getting another B737, or was the fog a
196 REALDEAL : travel in NZ just got cheaper for Australians. After last night masive defeat of the All Blecks, the NZ dollar will plummet even further tomorrow.
197 Koruman : As others have said, it's bursting at the seams because those seams only contain 18 seats. If it held 5 rows of 8 abreast seating it would sell 40 se
198 DJ738 : There has been a Qantas liveried 737 parked by the Air New Zealand hangar in CHC for a while now - perhaps this is the one you saw during your weeken
199 SpinalTap : No the New Zealand dollar will continue to slide because the Reserve Bank has lowered the official cash rate by 0.25 % and the NZ economy appears hea
200 777ER : If it was parked beside the hanger, and was still there today, then yes thats the one I saw
201 Cchan : I was on a HKG-AKL 772 flight in late April with around 40 passengers on board, that's the best flight I had with NZ so far, in terms of personal spa
202 DavidByrne : I agree PER has a strong case and that premium traffic would appreciate a non-stop to LHR. ORD and JFK/EWR are a different matter altogether, especia
203 Knid : How many kids do you know that are interested in learning about Gandhi; Martin Luther King; or Hitler it is still taught as compulsory, what kind of
204 Cchan : Agree, that's probably why they cut PEK down to 1x weekly but still maintain the route.
205 Aerohottie : Agreed, No doubt this will become a 789 market... although may be better suited as a 788 market for now
206 Kiwiflyer791 : Was there any desion at the recent board meeting as to the replacement of the ATR fleet?
207 Post contains links NZ107 : Pacific Blue Launch AKL-MEL http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0807/S00480.htm NZ$179 o/w to start off with, first flight in September. Give some compet
208 777ER : At my old college (and several in wgtn that I know off, including my brother and sisters college, some in Palmerston North, Auckland and Hawkes Bay)
209 Mariner : If you want that debate, I am happy to join in - but I am unclear as to what this has to do with civil aviation. mariner
210 Post contains links 777ER : NZ Aviation #37 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4083494/
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