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AA Q1 2008 Route And Hub Performance  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

The following are the top 50 and the bottom 50 in AA's domestic network, followed by a summary by each hub/focus city for Q1 2008. (The data was released Tuesday). The ranking mechanism is revenue per available seat mile (RASM).

All data from PAXstats Beta 3, which sources the DOT's Form 41/T-100 and DB1B databases.

AA Top 50 Q1/2008 - Source: PAXstats Beta 3


AA Bottom 50 Q1/2008 - Source: PAXstats Beta 3


AA Hubs Q1/2008 - Source: PAXstats Beta 3


If anyone has any inquiries about other specific AA routes, feel free to ask in the thread.

Edited for spelling.

[Edited 2008-07-18 06:16:55]

59 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8943 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
If anyone has any inquires about other specific AA routes, feel free to ask in the thread.

Do you have the info for Intl, routes?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8919 times:
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What is "System revenue/DEP" vs. "Segment Revenue/Dep" ?

User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8929 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 1):

Do you have the info for Intl, routes?

Unfortunately, no. I only have international LF data, through January. The international O&D/DB1B database (where the revenue portion of the data is derived) is restricted. Even if I had access to it, I wouldn't be able to release it. I can get you international LFs though.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8918 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
What is "System revenue/DEP" vs. "Segment Revenue/Dep" ?

System revenue is the combined revenue from the entire itinerary of passengers on that flight, including applicable return trips. Segment revenue is the portion of that revenue that can be applied towards the local segment, using the "root of miles" proration method.


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1507 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Thanks for this summary!  thumbsup 

Can you provide an overview for LAX - XNA and LAX - SFO?

My thanks in advance



With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

Interesting that their best performing market RASM-wise is.....drumroll please.....STL?

I'll bet if they slash some more flights out of here they can get that RASM up to $0.20!  Angry  Yeah sure



Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8791 times:



Quoting Aaway (Reply 5):
Can you provide an overview for LAX - XNA and LAX - SFO?

Big version: Width: 602 Height: 121 File size: 6kb
AA LAX-SFO/XNA Q1/2008 - Source: PAXstats Beta 3


Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Interesting that their best performing market RASM-wise is.....drumroll please.....STL?

While very impressive, I need to make one small correction: STL has the highest RASM of any hub/focus city, not market. When you consider RASM figures though, note the amount of mainline seat miles compared to regional seat miles, and their relative costs.


User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

Can you add PHL-DFW, ORD, STL, MIA & SJU?


AT7, ER3, ER4, ER5, CR7, E70, E75, F100, M82, M83, 722, 732, 738, 752, 762, 763, AB6, 320, 321, 772, 77W
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8745 times:



Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 8):
Can you add PHL-DFW, ORD, STL, MIA & SJU?

Big version: Width: 602 Height: 177 File size: 9kb
AA PHL Q1/2008 - Source: PAXstats Beta 3


User currently offlineTSRA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8734 times:

Good stuff MOB! Here are some cities for you,
XNA-DFW
SGF-DFW
ICT-DFW
and
XNA-ORD
SGF-ORD
ICT-ORD

Thanks


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

I'd be curious about some the MIA transcons since AA has a relative monopoly:

MIA-LAX
MIA-SFO
MIA-PHX
MIA-LAS


User currently onlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

How do you look up PAXstats beta 3? Is this a subscription? Can I get it? I've spent hours on google trying to figure it out and can't.

For AA, I'm interested in

DSM-ORD
DSM-STL
DSM-LGA
DSM-DCA
DSM-DFW
OMA-DFW
OMA-ORD

Thanks!!


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5215 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8630 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
If anyone has any inquiries about other specific AA routes, feel free to ask in the thread.

How about the LGA routes, esp. those being discontinued?

Is this a comprehensive list of canceled LGA routes?
LaGuardia-Boston
LaGuardia-Cincinnati
LaGuardia-Charlotte
LaGuardia-Cleveland
LaGuardia-Louisville
LaGuardia-Memphis
LaGuardia-Pittsburgh
LaGuardia-Washington Reagan



Consilivm: Cave ne nothi te vexant
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

How about some of the SJU routes recently cut or scaled back

SJU-IAD
SJU-EWR
SJU-BDL
SJU-BWI
SJU-JFK
SJU-MIA
SJU-BOS
SJU-LAX
SJU-MCO


User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

Not surprised to see so many Eagle ORD markets in the top 50. Back in the 1990s even withg ATRs and competing against UA 737s in many short haul markets AE made a segment profit in ORD. For any short route to make a segment profit is good but to do so when you have props and UA was flying 737s was amazing.

Also not surprised to see so many west coast long hauls as poor performers though to see DFW-SEA is a surprise, though it is winter. Hawaii isnt surprising, though I doubt your analysis takes into account the "earn/burn" adjustment that carriers must do to Hawaiian markets to get the real performance.


Its odd to see some routes like DCA-RDU with system revenue so much higher than segment revenue. I would think there would be next to no connecting pax on this route.'


Can you do this for Delta?

Awesome job


User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

How about BHM-ORD, BHM-DFW, HSV-ORD, HSV-DFW, MOB-ORD, and MOB-DFW?

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Hey MOBflyer, got any data for the soon-to-be-gone SYR-DFW, and for SYR-ORD? Thanks!  Smile

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Interestingly, only one STL route in the top 50, four STL routes in the bottom 50, but STL is still the most profitable hub by yield.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

LAX has some pretty crappy yields. Where does JFK stack up among hubs?

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

It's interesting that a number of Eagle routes out of ORD aren't in the the bottom 50, yet they are being dropped, such as ORD-DAY, ORD-ALB, and ORD-MDT.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

Interesting to note that four of AA's six intra-Florida flights are in the Top 50 (AA now had six intra-Florida routes, but MIA-TLH didn't start when these numbers were collected).

Plus, MIA's numbers are quite good and they don't even include international.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18):
but STL is still the most profitable hub by yield.

Domestically. If these figures were to include international, things turn around significantly.

[Edited 2008-07-18 10:08:48]


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Interesting, the only RDU flight in the bottom 50 is the XNA flight.. which nobody in the world could imagine it would do well except to reposition the aircraft for maintenance.. However, not to see MCI, SDF, and JAX in the bottom 50 must mean that they did at least adequate.. I'm just glad there aren't a lot of RDU flights in the bottom 50... then I might be a bit worried..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8281 times:



Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 16):
How about BHM-ORD, BHM-DFW, HSV-ORD, HSV-DFW, MOB-ORD, and MOB-DFW?

My guess is ORD-Alabama sucks and DFW-Alabama is quite good.

There is very little north south traffic in the central USA and what little there is conencts fine over MEM or ATL.

UA really struggled on their ORD-JAN/BHM/MOB flights


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8240 times:

Interesting to note that all the BOS trans-cons are on the bottom 50. BOS-SAN is soon to be gone, and BOS-SFO might not be far behind. Also interesting to see JFK-SFO so low, as well as three SNA flights on the bottom 50.

Of the 50 worst routes, 14 of them will be or have been discontinued.

[Edited 2008-07-18 10:46:10]


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25 AirCop : One of the worst listed is MQT/GRB which is really nothing more than a positioning flight after overnight maintenance at MQT/SAW.
26 BigGSFO : I noticed JFK-SFO on the bottom too. I imagine UA's premium class, B6 and VX have eaten into AA's yields and business on this particular route.
27 Exaauadl : Guys all long haul routes that are domestic suck. They are fuel intensive and not protected from competition. Fuel is the main reason here. I would b
28 Cch362 : AA operates too much capacity on this route, slightly more than UA I think. The 762/763 may not be the right aircraft for this route any longer, beca
29 LAXdude1023 : Thanks for the list MOBflyer. My guess is that with ATA and AQ gone, yeilds to Hawaii will soar. Actually, thats not really that interesting at all. M
30 Runway23 : If it's at all possible, could you please provide, ORD-YOW ORD-YUL MIA-YUL JFK-YUL LAX-YYZ Thanks again!!!
31 OA412 : Thanks for sharing. Intersting that Hawaii routes all seem to be near or at the bottom. I remember reading reports on here (no, no one who's replied t
32 LAXdude1023 : I do believe with the demise of AQ and ATA, Hawaii yeilds are going to soar. In the first quarter, both of them were still around. Also interesting t
33 Dc10s2hnl : Most of the inter-Calif. Eagle flights are in the top 50... seems odd there's so much talk of shuttering the LAX Saab MQ ops when these flights are se
34 ChrisNH : It's interesting that many of the top producers are flown by 'little RJs' with 'inexpensive crews.' The big money is going to crews on some of the wor
35 MAH4546 : Indeed. Of all the top 50 routes, only two - MIA-TPA/MCO - are flown exclusively by mainline aircraft. No. Keep in mind, though, SBP, as a maintence
36 Apodino : If you notice, LGA-BOS happens to be one of the top 50. But JFK-BOS is their best performer, so they may be consolodating there as a result
37 MOBflyer : Wow! I wasn't expecting quite the diversity of requests that have been generated. Here's the full report.... dig in and comment! Route …. Sys Rev/De
38 MOBflyer : Here's the remainder of that list. Apparently there is a maximum size that a post can be. In that case, I'd bet 419 lines is probably over the limit.
39 FATFlyer : I noticed that too. MOBflyer, do the Eagle numbers account for the Delta and other airline codeshare passengers? For example, Eagle's FAT-LAX is assi
40 Skyzheimers : I am very surprised DFW will keep 2X HNL seeing the performance of those routes... yes, some capacity has been eliminated but demand to HNL has also f
41 LAXdude1023 : Why? The DFW-HNL route is the most profitable route AA has to Hawaii.
42 Post contains links MOBflyer : Yes. The numbers include a sample of every passenger on board. (So the entry here includes everyone, and you will not see a FAT-LAX on the DL thread.
43 MAH4546 : Though imagine how much more money it can make if it were just one daily flights. Those 763s for MIA-REC/SSA/CNF aren't likely going to come out of n
44 LAXdude1023 : I would think that cutting one of the LAX-HNL frequencies would be better. If they need another one, cut SFO-HNL or DFW-OGG. BTW, I want to make sure
45 MAH4546 : I believe it's better utilization thanks to no longer making Heathrow a 772-dedicated station. The daylight Boston-Heathrow flight has absolutely hor
46 LAXdude1023 : I think so too. Im happy to see more 777's to Latin America from DFW and MIA. DFW-GRU was a given. MIA-SCL didnt surprise me too much, but DFW-EZE di
47 MAH4546 : The DFW-EZE 772s are a "one time only" thing from what I am told. Those two will go to ORD-PEK. MIA-MAD switch is indefinite; and the 3x 772 to MIA-G
48 Iwannagothere : I always liked the idea of a JFK-CDG on a 777. Guess those latin america routes make better profit.
49 MasseyBrown : Thanks for all your work. It's hard to believe some of those LGA routes aren't profitable - with yields above 25 cents. Do all the delays kill the pr
50 Intermodal64 : How are segment revenues prorated for connecting itineraries? Is this done by AA according to an internal formula and then reported? Or, is there an i
51 Flyyul : MOB, How does Canada do for AA?
52 MOBflyer : The proration method that PAXstats Beta 3 is the "root of the miles" - which somewhat normalizes extremely short and long segment revenue allocation.
53 Sflaflight : checkmark!!!!! I say Si and bravo. Maybe one day.
54 PA101 : Curious as I am: could you also post the LFs for the international flights (at least to Europe)??? Would be highly appreciated!!! Do you know which on
55 Cubsrule : Interestingly, though, STL has the lowest average load factor. That's probably why they're cutting frequencies without cutting a whole lot of cities.
56 Tommy767 : Again, I have said this before but AA is making a big mistake of getting rid of this route. They still have potential in this market.
57 MOBflyer : I have redone the rankings for the same data to accommodate stage length. I've normalized all rankings to a standard length. This will allow for bette
58 MOBflyer : Continued... Rnk..Route … Sys Rev/Dep … Seg Rev/Dep .. Seg RASM .. Adj RASM … Tkt Yield … Contrib Yield … LF 210 .. ICT-DFW … $26,150.17
59 TWFirst : Well, then STL should be given some international flying!
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