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PIA A320 Deal Off - Air Blue Getting A319 + Route  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

PIA A320 deal with Kuwait based leasing company ALAFCO has been dropped by the new govt. they will now be going for 737-800s.

Air Blue get two ex-Skybus A319s from a US leasing firm, the aircraft will be delivered in August and will launch new destination Sharjah in UAE, also plan to launch other Gulf cities and Delhi in India.

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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8614 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
PIA A320 deal with Kuwait based leasing company ALAFCO has been dropped by the new govt. they will now be going for 737-800s.

Where will the 737s be coming from? And do you know why they called the deal off?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8557 times:



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):
Where will the 737s be coming from?

No idea

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):
And do you know why they called the deal off?

Corruption and finance issues.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):
And do you know why they called the deal off?

Because Boeing is better then Airbus Plus PIA is an all Boeing airline(except for the A310s) and as such maybe is hoping this is ease the tension between them and the US.

[Edited 2008-07-18 12:11:29]

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8493 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 3):
Plus PIA is an all Boeing airline

How many A310's do they have? is the number too small to ignore it?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8485 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 4):
How many A310's do they have? is the number too small to ignore it?

They have 12, six of which are owned, the rest leased from Airbus.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8478 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 4):
How many A310's do they have? is the number too small to ignore it?

Well I forgot about them..... I will fix above..... I thought they were banned anyway.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8438 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 6):
I thought they were banned anyway.

They were banned, but only from Europe, but now they are allowed to fly on European routes.

With regard to the A320 deal, these aircraft were due to be delivered later this year; what happens now? Presumably there are some hefty cancellation penalties to be faced by PK? And what is the lessor going to do with these aircraft now? Perhaps SV will get some of its A320s earlier than planned?

That said, for a 777 operator like PK, there is some sense in bringing in 738s, because the similarities between the make crew conversion easier.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2904 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8357 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
That said, for a 777 operator like PK, there is some sense in bringing in 738s, because the similarities between the make crew conversion easier.

Huh .......?!?!



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

Read rumours on PPRUNE that Air Blue are also looking to increase their presence on routes between the UK and Pakistan. With them keen to start a route from a London airport....

LTN was one of those airports under consideration and an A32X family aircraft would be the perfect aircraft to operate this sort of route and they also operate in all Y config which is ideal for an airport lacking premium traffic. Also Luton itself has one of largest Pakistani populations outside of London and after Leicester and Bradford.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8312 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Read rumours on PPRUNE that Air Blue are also looking to increase their presence on routes between the UK and Pakistan. With them keen to start a route from a London airport....

With A320-series aircraft?  Wow!

Would that be one or two intermediate stops along the way?



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8311 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 8):
Huh .......?!?!

In some airlines, Emirates for example, if a new pilot has 737NG experience, the conversion course to the 777 is considerably shorter than if the pilot had come from another type.

That's what I was trying to get at ... obviously not very successfully!

PS Like the cow!


User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8236 times:



Quoting Leskova (Reply 10):
With A320-series aircraft?

Would that be one or two intermediate stops along the way?

Airblue already flies ISB-MAN using A321 aircraft (an A320 has on occasion been used instead). I believe the flights make one technical stop on each sector.


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8151 times:

An A319 Ex Skybus is already painted in full Air Blue cs at Orly.The second one is in the hangar to be also painted in Air blue cs.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8078 times:



Quoting EGNR (Reply 12):

Airblue already flies ISB-MAN using A321 aircraft (an A320 has on occasion been used instead). I believe the flights make one technical stop on each sector.

Stops in Turkey....



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User currently onlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8070 times:



Quoting EGNR (Reply 12):
Airblue already flies ISB-MAN using A321 aircraft

Ouch! That can't be too pleasant an experience... I bet those Airbii aren't exactly set up for such long ops from a pax perspective!


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7841 times:



Quoting EGNR (Reply 12):
Airblue already flies ISB-MAN using A321 aircraft (an A320 has on occasion been used instead). I believe the flights make one technical stop on each sector.

Yes, at Trabzon, according to another forum even Shaheen A310 had to tech some where on the return leg from Leeds/Bradford once in a while, any idea where?


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Wow!

This is totally unexpected!

Any reasons of this switch to the 737?



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7140 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Air Blue get two ex-Skybus A319s from a US leasing firm, the aircraft will be delivered in August and will launch new destination Sharjah in UAE, also plan to launch other Gulf cities and Delhi in India.

The two services added to Sharjah were initially planned for extra capacity at Dubai, however according to Airblue, they could not be accomodated at DXB Airport. So due to their priority to focus on Northern Emirates, they decided to go for SHJ.

The A319's will also be used to launch services to AUH, perhaps in the 4th quarter this year, or early next year.

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

First pic from another site.



User currently offlineYak97 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6644 times:
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Their colour scheme (and name) seems very similar to Jetblue. Didn't Jetblue complain when they started? I know Jetblue kicked up a stink when the proposed UK airline Flyblue was announced, (they became Flywho, then Flywhoosh, then goodbye).

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

The pic posted by 777way shows their A319 at Paris-Orly Air France's maintenance base.

It is still there today July 25th, saw her this morning, registered EI-DZY. I noticed that, just like EasyJet's A319, it has 4 emergency exits over the wings and not 2.
How many seats will they cramp into this little bus ?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

A second AirBlue A319 is now parked since yesturday July 29th at Paris-ORY, next to the previous one seen on the pic. above. It is registered EI-DZZ.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

I inspected both Air Blue A319s at Orly , and didn't find any Pakistani registrations.

Will they stay in Irish regs ? How long time is the lease ?

They are supposed to be delivered these coming days.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6163 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 23):
Will they stay in Irish regs ? How long time is the lease ?

Only three months of foreign registered lease allowed.


25 BMED : Look at the former BMED routes that bmi now fly, they are all with A320/321 and appear to do well.
26 NicoEDDF : Must be like flying transatlantic 757. Or are there big differences in seat pitch, leg room and so on?
27 777way : Air Blue have been refused permission by Sharjah to fly there for now, ED were to operate twice daily service from Lahore and Peshawar with first flig
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