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UA Drops ORD-GEG/SJC, DEN-CLT, LAX-AUS/OAK,SFO-ATL  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

The fall schedule changes are firming up.

Besides a host of frequency adjustment in many markets the following city pair routes will be discontinued effective November 2nd.

Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3463 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11052 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
San Francisco - Atlanta

Possibly one of the reasons the Atlanta club is closing


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10713 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - San Jose, CA

So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC. AA better be able to improve the yields. It is interesting to see that UA and AA apprear to be dropping routes without much consideration as to the competitive impact. They cant afford to fly routes anymore just to be competitive.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
San Francisco - Atlanta

The expanded ATL-ICN is probably taking traffic off UA from the ATL POS.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10636 times:
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OAK is really gonna be a ghosttown once everyone is done trimming the fat.


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10618 times:

The only thing that really surprises me is the drop of ORD-SJC. That's currently 3x daily market. How strange would it be to have IAD-SJC service, but not ORD-SJC.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10587 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA

These are TED flights right?

I had thought ORD was not losing any mainline or express? Looks like someone changed their mind.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10565 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 5):

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA

These are TED flights right?

Nope, not Ted routes.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10526 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - San Jose, CA

So unlikely AA will drop this route.

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Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC.

Amazing considering just a few years ago, there were ten daily flights.. Wow!  tapedshut   grumpy 



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10517 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC.

Plus (with a fall seasonal adjustment) one SJC-MDW on WN, down from two. It all adds up to a cut of about 50% in non-stop capacity between Chicago and San Jose. I imagine that UA thinks its loyal passengers will drive up to SFO or choose to connect at DEN.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Los Angeles - Oakland

So they have finally decided to cede this route completely to Southwest. With DEN-OAK as UA's last remaining route at OAK and WN's recent addition of DEN-OAK, how long will it be until United decides to close the station at OAK?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
San Francisco - Atlanta

With a single daily flight timed primarily for trans-pacific connections, Delta's addition of ATL-ICN/PVG probably made this flight less viable (especially ICN given the partnership with KE).

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Los Angeles - Austin

Not really a large enough market to support four non-stop competitors with B6 adding AUS-LGB.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

If this fuel thing turns out to be a bubble (opinions differ), will the airlines re-instate some of these routes and excitedly trumpet their 'expansion plans?'

:D


User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10408 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)

Seems like a lot of carriers are looking at routes which they compete on and are deciding to cut bait rather than stay. There is another thread on DL and AA cuts that seem to indicate the same thing. A lot of these routes are not so much smaller markets, but routes where there is competition, whether B6, DL, CO or AA.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4058 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10352 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The fall schedule changes are firming up.

Besides a host of frequency adjustment in many markets the following city pair routes will be discontinued effective November 2nd.

Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)

Thanks for the information LAXintl. I apreciate it. I started a thread about what's going to happen to SJC?
There's were a lot of predictions UA would axe ORD all together out of SJC while I thought AA would since they have next to nothing left there and here they'll have more service out of SJC than AA. I also thought UA would have retained ORD service since UA is stronger in there than AA. No such luck and those flights did really well. I guess the fuel prices killed it altogether. What a shame...

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC. AA better be able to improve the yields. It is interesting to see that UA and AA apprear to be dropping routes without much consideration as to the competitive impact. They cant afford to fly routes anymore just to be competitive.

You were right on the money, EXAAUADL. My apologies for thinking you were wrong though I still don't think AA will hold on to ORD out of SJC for much longer.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 4):
The only thing that really surprises me is the drop of ORD-SJC. That's currently 3x daily market. How strange would it be to have IAD-SJC service, but not ORD-SJC.

Agreed but sadly, JpetekYXMD80, IAD is biting the dust too in September.

When will we know what UA is going to replace their 737 flights with? I know everyone is saying the Buses. I wonder in particular about high frequency routes like LAX-SFO, which are nearly all 733/5s, ORD-LGA/EWR/DCA/BOS?

Will they pick up their options they have with Airbus? Is there a possiblility they will order E90/95s to pick up on routes where the 319 is a bit too big? This would also allow them to add service (someday that is) where the 319/320s is a bit too big and it's not economical to fly RJs.


User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10353 times:

Wow I hate to see any routes cut. Does anyone know if AA flies ORD-GEG (Spokane)?


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10296 times:



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if AA flies ORD-GEG (Spokane)?

AA doesn't fly to GEG they codeshare with AS.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

Where are these schedule changes posted? They still show up on united.com and in the OAG.

User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10189 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Chicago - Spokane

Ouch. NW will be loving this, though. GEG-MSP-XXX becomes the only single-connection routing for a number of GEG-Midwest/East Coast destinations not served by UA or F9 from DEN or DL from SLC.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if AA flies ORD-GEG (Spokane)?

It doesn't.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10180 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 14):
They still show up on united.com and in the OAG.

Yes give it some time, and they will be uploaded.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10132 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 14):
Where are these schedule changes posted?

I can see these changes in the system I use. Generally it takes a few days before they are uploaded to OAG or the .com for the airlines themselves.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10116 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
When will we know what UA is going to replace their 737 flights with? I know everyone is saying the Buses. I wonder in particular about high frequency routes like LAX-SFO, which are nearly all 733/5s, ORD-LGA/EWR/DCA/BOS?

I also wonder about a route like MSP-ORD. This route has been hourly forever, but i wonder if it will be reduced if they start flying more airbuses. I would also assume MSP-ORD is losing the 752 flight.



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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 803 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

I've heard some rumors that UA may deploy UAX to fly ORD-BOS/LGA/DCA etc on some frequencies with the reduction of the narrowbody fleet. Anyone have any more substantial information?

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10066 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The fall schedule changes are firming up.

Besides a host of frequency adjustment in many markets the following city pair routes will be discontinued effective November 2nd.

Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)

I have a feeling we'll see more of the same. All of these cities can still be served through other hubs:

GEG - through DEN or SEA
SJC - through DEN or LAX
CLT - through ORD or IAD
OAK - through DEN
ATL - through DEN or ORD
YYZ - through partnerships or ORD

What airlines are realizing is that you don't have to serve every hub from every city. While it gives the passenger less choices, and might add an occasional extra connection, overall passenger choices aren't hurt too bad with these changes.


User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

United has one flight a day ATL-SFO A319. Delta has 7 flights a day ATL-SFO 5 767-300 and 2 757-200

User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9921 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
I have a feeling we'll see more of the same. All of these cities can still be served through other hubs:

GEG - through DEN or SEA
SJC - through DEN or LAX
CLT - through ORD or IAD
OAK - through DEN
ATL - through DEN or ORD
YYZ - through partnerships or ORD

True, but some more efficiently than others. Anyone for LAX-DEN-OAK? I'm surprised UA didn't discontinue LAX-OAK earlier, actually, given the WN competition.

ORD-SJC seems most surprising, given the huge population centers and so many Fortune 500 companies on each end. Business travelers traveling ORD-SJC will take AA rather than connect or fly to SFO.

Cutting SFO-YYZ/ATL, where the distance hurts, is understandable. And, CLT has US service to DEN.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9878 times:



Quoting Papatango (Reply 21):
United has one flight a day ATL-SFO A319. Delta has 7 flights a day ATL-SFO 5 767-300 and 2 757-200

Yes but UA wasn't competing for local ATL-SFO traffic. This flight existed purely as a connection to their vast Asian hub at SFO. I'm assuming that DL's increased service to Asia, along with expanding UA service at IAD are what did this route in.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9845 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 23):
Yes but UA wasn't competing for local ATL-SFO traffic. This flight existed purely as a connection to their vast Asian hub at SFO. I'm assuming that DL's increased service to Asia, along with expanding UA service at IAD are what did this route in.

I'd bet that UA carried more local traffic than its seat share.


25 Ramprat74 : United Announces Additional Schedule Changes Effective November 2 Posted July 18, 2008 Inaddition to the changes to the November schedule we already h
26 Jkarp2112 : ORD-SJC cut hurts and someone earlier was right that now I'll go out of SFO. Well, I *could* go SJC-DEN-GRR instead now but the DEN-GRR is on a RJ and
27 Jacobin777 : Or you could do what I do every few weeks and fly SJC-ORD on AA...
28 United1 : I'm not sure which is worse an MD-80 for 4 hours or an Ex-Plus CRJ-700 for 2.5?
29 LACA773 : Hey Jacob, How are you doing? I started a thread about SJC and have been hoping you'll add your valuable two cents to it. Please check it out. Both s
30 Tcfc424 : The one that blows my mind is LAX-AUS...that plane is always FULL, and working the ticket counter, the tickets AREN'T cheap! Also, it is on UAX metal.
31 JCS17 : Wow. SFO-ATL. That's especially surprising. You'd think they'd be able to sustain one daily 319 with the business up front and Y+ to/from Asia. ORD-S
32 LACA773 : That's what I was thinking as well. I'm wondering how much longer LAX-SAT as well. Is it concievable this is going to get cut back significantly or a
33 SANFan : Have you noticed that eff 11/02, WN is doubling LAX-AUS to 2x daily -- coincidence? (That was announced 6/26 so perhaps UA is surrendering without a
34 Commavia : Yeah, but up against one far more dominant player plus two smaller, but lower-cost, nonstop competitors as well, is it really worth it to put an impo
35 Jacobin777 : I'll take the MadDog over the CRJ-700... Hi LACA773, I'll certainly take a look at it..! I think AA's SJC-ORD will do fine now, especially given ther
36 N7371f : Ouch! ORD-GEG has been around since I was growing up in Spokane in the 70's! Before and immediately after 9/11 it was operated with a 727-200. Since t
37 DaCubbyBearBar : Is this all of the cuts for the 737 retirements or are there more coming at a later date? Before knowing the answer, I would say this only seems like
38 LAXintl : Lots more coming. From what I understand the latest plan is to cull the 737 fleet in batches over different schedule periods with about 30 in Septemb
39 United1 : Thats the way I understood it as well. September-October 08 ~30 (the 6 744s should also leave during this period) November -January 08/09 ~20 March-M
40 LACA773 : Will the 737 fleet stay active on routes: LAX-SFO, ORD-DCA/LGA/EWR/BOS etc..? Will LAX-SFO remain mainline or will they go UAX as well during off pea
41 LAXintl : Already there are 6-7 or so 737s out of service today. Basically no need to do a heavy check on them. For the 744s, the 1st one(193) gets parked the
42 PlanesNTrains : A shadow of there former self in the west. SEA is similar. I remember being booked on UA SEA-SMF-LAX-OAK-SEA. I also remember flying RNO-SEA. How tim
43 United1 : Anyone know exactly how many Rjs are coming on board? I know UA put out numbers that Express is projected to grow by 10-11% next year. Makes since, a
44 QXatFAT : My uncle flys the OAK-LAX-OAK route 2 to even 3 times a week on UA. Looks like he will be switching back to WN on this route.
45 United1 : Actually they are going from 4 mainline aircraft to 3 ExPlus Crj's so its quite a drop in capacity. Unfortunately due to AS and VX dumping capacity i
46 PlanesNTrains : My wife flew VX SEA-LAX today, and was in F for only $240-ish. More than my RT next week on B6 SEA-LGB, but she had a great experience, and if someon
47 United1 : Looks like you found a great fare for F class. Did a random search for November and came up with.... F Class One way... UA 464.50 AS 389.50 VX 354.49
48 LACA773 : I could see dropping mainline on LAX-SEA during the middle of the day but not all the flights. What a shame. They've been flying that route for how ma
49 LACA773 : Makes sense and they won't be buring money any more money on these gas guzzlers. That's what I was thinking LAXIntl. Thankyou for verifying what I wa
50 EVA777SEA : Just did a random search on UA's website in January for SEA-LAX and it is showing 1x 735 and 3x CRJ7. Is the site just not updated yet? Is UA retiring
51 LACA773 : Not updated yet. Within in 9 months the entire 737 fleet will be gone. If you scroll up, you'll see a tenative schedule as to when they will being re
52 LAXintl : Mesa +2 CRJ700 swap for 4 CRJ200s in 2008, option to swap 10 CRJ200s for 700s thru 02Q2010 Republic +10 E170s enter service 04Q2008-01Q2009 Skywest +
53 PlanesNTrains : Booked in April - yes, it was a no-brainer. I wish I had used my camera more at the SEA view park years ago. UA 737s coming and going all the time. T
54 Cubsrule : I wonder if DEN-CLT is a (admittedly belated) consequence of the US-HP merger. CLT-DEN used to be an important link to a lot of secondary west coast
55 Humberside : Has EWR been dropped?
56 Scorpy : Since this is a newer 744, is it being sold by UA, or just parked until fuel prices come down?
57 LAXintl : No airline has stated its intention is to permanently remove 6 744s.
58 Teneriffe77 : I noticed that with reductions, BTV will be left with just 1x735 and 1XCR7 to ORD and 3XE145 to IAD. This is a rather big reduction I wonder if it has
59 United1 : Woops missed one LAX-EWR operates once a day in November
60 ADent : I figure it is partially due to code sharing with US. If you connect thru CLT (say DEN-TRI) then all the flights are code shared.
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