LAXintl From United States, joined May 2000, 8888 posts, RR: 12 Posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8136 times:
The fall schedule changes are firming up.
Besides a host of frequency adjustment in many markets the following city pair routes will be discontinued effective November 2nd.
Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC. AA better be able to improve the yields. It is interesting to see that UA and AA apprear to be dropping routes without much consideration as to the competitive impact. They cant afford to fly routes anymore just to be competitive.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 3277 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7471 times:
The only thing that really surprises me is the drop of ORD-SJC. That's currently 3x daily market. How strange would it be to have IAD-SJC service, but not ORD-SJC.
ScottB From United States, joined Jul 2000, 3922 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7370 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2): So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC.
Plus (with a fall seasonal adjustment) one SJC-MDW on WN, down from two. It all adds up to a cut of about 50% in non-stop capacity between Chicago and San Jose. I imagine that UA thinks its loyal passengers will drive up to SFO or choose to connect at DEN.
So they have finally decided to cede this route completely to Southwest. With DEN-OAK as UA's last remaining route at OAK and WN's recent addition of DEN-OAK, how long will it be until United decides to close the station at OAK?
With a single daily flight timed primarily for trans-pacific connections, Delta's addition of ATL-ICN/PVG probably made this flight less viable (especially ICN given the partnership with KE).
ChrisNH From United States, joined Jun 1999, 2770 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7332 times:
If this fuel thing turns out to be a bubble (opinions differ), will the airlines re-instate some of these routes and excitedly trumpet their 'expansion plans?'
Jawake From United States, joined Sep 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7261 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)
Seems like a lot of carriers are looking at routes which they compete on and are deciding to cut bait rather than stay. There is another thread on DL and AA cuts that seem to indicate the same thing. A lot of these routes are not so much smaller markets, but routes where there is competition, whether B6, DL, CO or AA.
Besides a host of frequency adjustment in many markets the following city pair routes will be discontinued effective November 2nd.
Chicago - Spokane
Chicago - San Jose, CA
Denver - Charlotte
Los Angeles - Austin
Los Angeles - Oakland
San Francisco - Atlanta
San Francisco - Toronto (previously announced)
Thanks for the information LAXintl. I apreciate it. I started a thread about what's going to happen to SJC?
There's were a lot of predictions UA would axe ORD all together out of SJC while I thought AA would since they have next to nothing left there and here they'll have more service out of SJC than AA. I also thought UA would have retained ORD service since UA is stronger in there than AA. No such luck and those flights did really well. I guess the fuel prices killed it altogether. What a shame...
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2): So unlikely AA will drop this route. This is as I predicted. some A.netters said AA would drop this but DEN is a better substitute hub for ORD than DFW is at least as far as east-west trafiic goes. So now only two daily flights ORD-SJC. AA better be able to improve the yields. It is interesting to see that UA and AA apprear to be dropping routes without much consideration as to the competitive impact. They cant afford to fly routes anymore just to be competitive.
You were right on the money, EXAAUADL. My apologies for thinking you were wrong though I still don't think AA will hold on to ORD out of SJC for much longer.
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 4): The only thing that really surprises me is the drop of ORD-SJC. That's currently 3x daily market. How strange would it be to have IAD-SJC service, but not ORD-SJC.
Agreed but sadly, JpetekYXMD80, IAD is biting the dust too in September.
When will we know what UA is going to replace their 737 flights with? I know everyone is saying the Buses. I wonder in particular about high frequency routes like LAX-SFO, which are nearly all 733/5s, ORD-LGA/EWR/DCA/BOS?
Will they pick up their options they have with Airbus? Is there a possiblility they will order E90/95s to pick up on routes where the 319 is a bit too big? This would also allow them to add service (someday that is) where the 319/320s is a bit too big and it's not economical to fly RJs.
Ouch. NW will be loving this, though. GEG-MSP-XXX becomes the only single-connection routing for a number of GEG-Midwest/East Coast destinations not served by UA or F9 from DEN or DL from SLC.
Sponsor Message: 
From United States, joined May 2000, 8888 posts, 
