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Who Will Win FLL? Spirit Or Jetblue  
User currently offlineRwex414 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

I know that Both Spirit and Jetblue have FLL as a hub/major city, but with everyone struggling one of them are bound to lose to the other. I know that FLL is Spirit's main city, but Jetblue is a much stronger airline right now . Can Spirit afford to lose their largest city?
Please correct me if I am wrong with anything.

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5073 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Maybe they'll both win it together, after the merger.  duck 


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User currently offlineB6fll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5056 times:



Quoting Rwex414 (Thread starter):
but Jetblue is a much stronger airline right now

I think you answered your own question there. I am pretty sure there wont be much of a debate on this topic!


User currently offlineRwex414 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5047 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
Maybe they'll both win it together, after the merger.

Is there a chance or has there been any talk about a merge between the airlines?


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3268 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

When Spirit goes under, it will significantly drop the ASMs at FLL to be more in line with forecasted demand. Then, if there are any holes to be filled, jetBlue would be well-positioned to increase service as needed and in accordance to their business plan. It's safe to say that jetBlue will be the primary beneficiary of NK's departure.


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User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5025 times:



Quoting Rwex414 (Reply 3):
Is there a chance or has there been any talk about a merge between the airlines?

At this point, anything could happen. At least they have the common fleet


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5029 times:
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Quoting Rwex414 (Thread starter):
Can Spirit afford to lose their largest city?

NK has something extremely valuable that only one other carrier has; and this asset will be the envy of every other US carrier.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4984 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
NK has something extremely valuable that only one other carrier has; and this asset will be the envy of every other US carrier.

and what exactly would that asset be? I cant seem to think of what it could be, but I could just be missing the obvious.....

In any case the two airlines are positioned much differently at FLL. Jetblue offers domestic service only, while Spirit serves mainly Latin America and the Caribbean. What limited domestic service is still provided by Spirit is generally independent of competition with Jetblue. Actually, just taking the routes they fly out of FLL into account, I would say Spirit is best positioned to flourish. A merger would bring a great international network to Jetblue and would make them King of Fort Lauderdale.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4968 times:



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 7):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
NK has something extremely valuable that only one other carrier has; and this asset will be the envy of every other US carrier.

and what exactly would that asset be? I cant seem to think of what it could be, but I could just be missing the obvious.....

You are missing the obvious.

Spirit has a Latin American network that many - JetBlue included - would kill for. As much as people love to trash Spirit, they are in far better shape than most of the industry thanks to such a strong network in the Latin America/Caribbean region. In 2009 they will continue to move more and more flying to this region.

I personally can't stand Spirit and their product, but credit is due when it's due, and they have done a great job weathering the storm, so far...

Quoting B6fll (Reply 2):

Quoting Rwex414 (Thread starter):
but Jetblue is a much stronger airline right now

I think you answered your own question there. I am pretty sure there wont be much of a debate on this topic!

Spirit is more fragile than JetBlue, but Spirit is likely posting better financial results.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4940 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Spirit has a Latin American network that many - JetBlue included - would kill for.

I implied that when I said that only ONE other carrier has this asset; right down the road from FLL.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
network that many - JetBlue included - would kill for

Absolutely true! VX and others would love to own this asset someday.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
I personally can't stand Spirit and their product, but credit is due when it's due, and they have done a great job weathering the storm, so far...

I've never tried NK's product. However, I bought a ticket FLL-MCO-FLL,( its a turn from FLL) for $29.00, plus $10.00 for the seat assignments just to "try" their product to see what its really like. Everyone trashes NK simply because they are jealous of its success, so far...


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4900 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Spirit has a Latin American network that many - JetBlue included - would kill for

Well thats embarrassing.....especially considering i went on to talk about Spirits enviable Latin American network.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
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Quoting Caymanair (Reply 10):
considering i went on to talk about Spirits enviable Latin American network.

The thing is most people don't even know this; and simply think that NK is looking at
"traditional" LLC destinations to serve. But we have seen the affects that NK has inflicted on certain carriers on certain routes, (e.g. AA, BW, JM, KX, and UP).

[Edited 2008-07-18 21:49:07]

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4880 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
In 2009 they will continue to move more and more flying to this region.

Assuming they survive 2008...


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 12):

They will...


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4815 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
They will...

rather unfortunately, at the expenses of others, in my opinion.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4803 times:
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Quoting Caymanair (Reply 14):

And one of those "others" simply doesn't think it will ever occur.


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4807 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):

And one of those "others" simply doesn't think it will ever occur.

well if we happen to be thinking of the same other, maybe its not so unfortunate....


User currently offlineB6fll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4815 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
but Spirit is likely posting better financial results

LOL...OK...Maybe they are with all the job cuts but does that count?


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4783 times:



Quoting B6fll (Reply 17):
LOL...OK...Maybe they are with all the job cuts but does that count?

Of course. Just as it counts when JetBlue sells airplanes to keep from hemorraging. Whatever it takes is fine - the bottom line is the bottom line.

-Dave



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4734 times:



Quoting Rwex414 (Thread starter):
I know that Both Spirit and Jetblue have FLL as a hub/major city, but with everyone struggling one of them are bound to lose to the other. I know that FLL is Spirit's main city, but Jetblue is a much stronger airline right now.

Tell you what: I'll award the blue ribbon to whichever one starts flying from FLL to San Diego -- that carrier would definitely be the winner in my eyes!

bb


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4320 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4630 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
I'll award the blue ribbon to whichever one starts flying from FLL to San Diego -- that carrier would definitely be the winner in my eyes!

Won't happen soon with these fuel prices. It's a five hours flight, and with little premium traffic. If they try to ask a decent price, pax will stay away and choose the current options from Miami or connecting at ATL, IAH, DEN or driving from LAX instead. Spirit did the right thing, not wasting their aircraft on $99 flights FLL-LAX but sending them to (potential) higher yield destinations in latin America instead with less competition.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4591 times:



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 4):
When Spirit goes under, it will significantly drop the ASMs at FLL to be more in line with forecasted demand. Then, if there are any holes to be filled, jetBlue would be well-positioned to increase service as needed and in accordance to their business plan. It's safe to say that jetBlue will be the primary beneficiary of NK's departure.

...and they are going to get the $$$ to do this from...?????

IMO, they would truly benefit from NK's demise, but a major buildup in the current economic environment is highly unlikely. They won't replace Spirit on a route for route basis. They may pick and choose from some of the more lucrative cities, otherwise some destinations won't regain service for awhile, if ever.


User currently offlineAirborne1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

I traveled on Spirit roundtrip to LIM from FLL. The flight heading to Lima was only 29 passengers and coming back was 35 passengers. now you tell me how they can operate this flight with oil in today's society.

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

I think Spirit is good at their focus - the Carribbean. JetBlue is good at their focus - mainly the Northeast (mostly domestic).

I think it is really not smart to compare the two when they are focusing on two separate and VERY DIFFERENT markets.

I hope they both do well at what they are focused on!


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Why does one need to win, what's wrong with both continuing to serve
FLL along with the other carriers that operate into there???



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
25 STT757 : I would love to see Spirit and Jetblue merge for selfish reasons, I want Jetblue to come to Atlantic City.
26 KarlB737 : Losing in todays airline climate can mean what you state in regards to a specific market or it can mean losing ones existence in all markets. Lets ho
27 MAH4546 : The situation is too good not to take advantage of, and they would easily start taking over Spirit's international (forget domestic, they don't care)
28 TN757Flyer : I don't doubt JetBlue covets some of NK's international destinations. Again I ask the question, where do they plan on getting the money to start-up t
29 Exaauadl : They dont really compete with one another, so I am not sure one must win and the other lose.
30 MAH4546 : I feel you are over-estimating "the money" it takes. The network is already there. If they need A320s, they can get cheap ones from Spirit (who will
31 A340Crew : Did you all forget about WN? WN will be the real winner in fll if anything happened to Spirit. I dont see spirit going under any time soon, but WN is
32 Iowaman : Domestically yes, however the real money is in the international routes. WN just announced FLL-LAS/MCI/ALB, and IIRC FLL-RDU/BUF/MHT was just launced
33 BWilliams : Looks like WN is trying to get a piece of B6's monopoly from northern NY to FLL ... lots of winter snowbird traffic. B6 currently operates FLL-BUF as
34 Rwex414 : Or they can take Spirit's A319s.
35 Chris133 : The WN ramp-up in FLL would really be interesting if it were a prelude to a partnership with NK. Just a thought.
36 TransIsland : ???? Contrary to popular belief, The Bahamas has NOT annexed Mexico, Bermuda, St. Maarten and the United States - all countries (or in the case of SX
37 Sflaflight : but again, what gets me is that B6 could have had that work a long time ago had B6's previous administration not been so anti FLL. Look at what B6 ha
38 SCL767 : And soon UVF. True, we have so many opportunities to fly to many international destinations. Its always been like this since the 1930's, when Pan Ame
39 Caymanair : But they don't provide any of these services out of FLL, and their services out of JFK to Latin America, the Caribbean, and Mexico don't serve the sa
40 SCL767 : Both operate into AUA, CUN, SDQ, NAS, SXM, SJU, BQN, and PSE.
41 N623JB : Will jetBlue go to Jamaica? Haiti? What about overseas? Alot of tourists that will attract.
42 Post contains links LoneStarMike : You can add AUS to that list as well. WN began 1 daily roundtrip FLL-AUS flight May 10. I just read a story from DFW's CBS affiliate a week ago where
43 Luvfa : There are ways around Spirit's a-la carte pricing. Example code-share from WN-NK could include a baggage voucher if the flight is booked at Southwest
44 TN757Flyer : I think the point is B6 doesn't fly to all these destinations from FLL as does Spirit. I doubt many O&D pax to/from south Florida re going to fly to
45 Mysterzip : I don't really see JetBlue and Spirit merging, mostly because of the financial situation of the two companies now as well as the two very different co
46 TN757Flyer : Not in a million years.
47 PlanesNTrains : I would agree. JetBlue and Southwest would have very little to gain and very much to lose by exposing their passengers to the other. There's a reason
48 Rwex414 : So are there any updates on Spirit's A320s. If they are going to get them late this year then have they been built yet? Any news?
49 B6fll : I think a Spirit and Jetblue merger would be great. There would be a little fine tuning to do like get rid of Spirits fares, charging for everything,
50 Mysterzip : I don't think anything's off the table. Yet, nothing is on the table either.
51 PlanesNTrains : You sure you want to stick your neck out like this? -Dave
52 MAH4546 : Southwest continues to struggle to build-up a local customer base from South Florida, which is why the FLL station has been slow to grow and remains
53 TN757Flyer : I don't know if WN would make a huge build-up in FLL or not. They seem content with MCO as their main destination in Florida, and seem to do well in T
54 Luvfa : Part of the problem has been gate availability. This is one reason we entered PBI in 2001, Broward County only wanted us to have those 3 gates in the
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