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Santa Barbara To Start MIA-VLN  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Santa Barbara Airlines will begin non-stop service between Miami and Valencia on 19 August 2008:

S3 1518 MIA 1100-1330 VLN 757 xSa
S3 1519 VLN 1430-1800 MIA 757 xSa

This will be in addition to Santa Barbara's two daily MIA-CCS flights.

Not sure where they got authority for it. I didn't think they had U.S. DOT authority for this service, but I guess maybe they do? AA has been trying to start MIA-VLN for two years.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3845 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Not sure where they got authority for it. I didn't think they had U.S. DOT authority for this service, but I guess maybe they do? AA has been trying to start MIA-VLN for two years.

Interesting.

I thought all new service U.S.-Venezuela was on hold pending the Venezuelan government letting new U.S. carriers into Venezuela?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3845 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Interesting.

I thought all new service U.S.-Venezuela was on hold pending the Venezuelan government letting new U.S. carriers into Venezuela?

Not if the carrier has the pre-existing route authority.



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3742 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Not if the carrier has the pre-existing route authority.

Mark, I believe you're right. I heard a while ago that SBA has had the rights for the VLN-MIA-VLN and MAR-MIA-MAR routes for a long time. They just didn't have the equipment to take advantage of them. I can confirm that later today.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

VLN could be a good alternative to CCS. The distance from the Caracas city to VLN is not too much more than from the city to CCS which has horrible traffic (and a few tunnels which clog up with traffic and exhaust fumes).

Having experienced AVE (and thankful to be alive), I wonder what is the condition of S3 .

Has anyone flown this airline lately?? What is its current reputation- maintenance, cleanliness, service ?

Some of their fleet was leased or operated by ICE.

This past February there one of their ATRs crashed near MRD. In flying out of that airport, I recall it is situated alongside a mountain which is also at the end of the runway, much like STT. Except, the Merida area often gets a heavy fog...and causes unforeseen cancellations, which catches travelers "off guard." It is a beautiful, mountainous/farming area, with a major university and a couple of high waterfalls.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3704 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
Has anyone flown this airline lately?? What is its current reputation- maintenance, cleanliness, service ?

On CCS-MAD they have gotten much better since DC10 was replaced by 767. Much more reliable schedule, less delays. AFAIK cleanliness and service have never been a liability.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
This past February there one of their ATRs crashed near MRD

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that crash had nothing to do with a mechanical failure



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3693 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
On CCS-MAD they have gotten much better since DC10 was replaced by 767.

That flight is operated by ICE, I believe, it is their only 767 which also serves TFS.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that crash had nothing to do with a mechanical failure

I understand the plane hit a 4000m rock wall after take off, before sunrise. It was found 10km from the airport. It was a series of events, human in nature, not mechanical.


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3685 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
VLN could be a good alternative to CCS. The distance from the Caracas city to VLN is not too much more than from the city to CCS which has horrible traffic (and a few tunnels which clog up with traffic and exhaust fumes).

I highly doubt that. VLN is at least two hours away from the city of Caracas - that being with no traffic and no inconvenients on the way there. Their terminal is quite poor and I wouldn't see it as a direct alternate to CCS.

The need of this VLN-MIA flight is strictly for the local people who do need to travel to the States. I wonder what the pricing is going to be... From CCS it has become almost impossible to find a decent fare. Going to Europe is most of the times cheaper than going to MIA.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that crash had nothing to do with a mechanical failure

100% human error. Period.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3662 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 7):
VLN is at least two hours away from the city of Caracas

Yes, it is about two hours from Caracas to VLN, about the same (without heavy traffic) from the city to CCS which is north of the city along the coast. Traveling to/from CCS on a Friday or Sunday is hell, as the city of +5 million where many many people like to go to the beach on Friday and return on Sunday.


Saludos


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

SBA is intending MIA-VLN as CM had previously announced PTY-VLN an effective on December 01st.
CM VLN-PTY will match perfectly with CM PTY-MIA and back.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3607 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
SBA is intending MIA-VLN as CM had previously announced PTY-VLN an effective on December 01st.
CM VLN-PTY will match perfectly with CM PTY-MIA and back.

Bad week for Copa. Just as they think they can catch the VLN- and CNF-MIA markets via PTY, Santa Barbara and American, respectively, ruin all the fun.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3536 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 4):
VLN could be a good alternative to CCS. The distance from the Caracas city to VLN is not too much more than from the city to CCS which has horrible traffic (and a few tunnels which clog up with traffic and exhaust fumes).

Valencia and neighbor city Maracay (30 km from VLN) are large enough to sustain a daily 757 to MIA.

Quoting 797 (Reply 7):
I wonder what the pricing is going to be...

Probbly even higher than CCS-MIA due to lack of competition, it's more or less what AA does on MAR-MIA (normally more expensive than CCS-MIA)

Quoting 797 (Reply 7):
From CCS it has become almost impossible to find a decent fare. Going to Europe is most of the times cheaper than going to MIA.

Much higher demand than offer because either US nor Venezuela gov't have granted new rights in years. Demand have risen since more and more venezuelans have moved to Florida and offer have shrunk with the colapse of Avensa and Aeropostal



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User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 264 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

As far I know SBA Have the Rights for 2x Daily CCS-MIA-CCS and 1x Daily MAR-MIA-MAR so I don´t know how SBA can open a new route and 9V and AA is still pending for the Respective right to flight that route.

Saludos


User currently offlineCybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3472 times:



Quoting Orl777 (Reply 12):
As far I know SBA Have the Rights for 2x Daily CCS-MIA-CCS and 1x Daily MAR-MIA-MAR so I don´t know how SBA can open a new route and 9V and AA is still pending for the Respective right to flight that route.

Yes apparently they had the rights in the VLN-MIA and MAR-MIA before the authorities of both countries frozen the route deals. So they just renew the route rights and opened it. MAR-MIA is supposed to start in August too so the flight will be MAR-MIA-VLN-MIA-MAR for the aircraft rotation. I don't know when they will publish the fares and the time schedule for the MAR-MIA-MAR leg but it should be soon.

Cheers

Tavo



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3456 times:



Quoting Orl777 (Reply 12):
x Daily MAR-MIA-MAR

Guys I believe that S3 has authority for MAR-FLL, not MAR-MIA. Can anyone confirm?

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 264 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 3405 times:



Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
Guys I believe that S3 has authority for MAR-FLL, not MAR-MIA. Can anyone confirm?

SB Had that Right for CCS-FLL and MAR-FLL but they find the way to flight to MIA and change the Rights from FLL to MIA.

Quoting Cybergus (Reply 13):
MAR-MIA is supposed to start in August too so the flight will be MAR-MIA-VLN-MIA-MAR for the aircraft rotation.

Looks like the same Aircraft rotation that someday had VH in that flight..


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 3351 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 8):
Yes, it is about two hours from Caracas to VLN, about the same (without heavy traffic) from the city to CCS which is north of the city along the coast. Traveling to/from CCS on a Friday or Sunday is hell, as the city of 5 million where many many people like to go to the beach on Friday and return on Sunday.

Yeah, that does make sense, but you'll hardly be more than 2 hours on the way down to CCS, unless there's a huge accident. I still find the idea of going to VLN quite twisted... it's a long way and there's more chance to find an inconvenience on the road.

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 15):
SB Had that Right for CCS-FLL and MAR-FLL but they find the way to flight to MIA and change the Rights from FLL to MIA.

I had no idea that could be done. It doesn't make any sense to me. I agree with Luis' thought, I had in mind that SBA has the rights to FLL and not MIA.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 3328 times:



Quoting Cybergus (Reply 13):
MAR-MIA is supposed to start in August too so the flight will be MAR-MIA-VLN-MIA-MAR for the aircraft rotation.

Correct.

S3 1517 MAR 0600-0930 MIA 757 xSa
S3 1520 MIA 1650-2010 MAR 757 xSa



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User currently offlineCybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Correct.

S3 1517 MAR 0600-0930 MIA 757 xSa
S3 1520 MIA 1650-2010 MAR 757 xSa

Mark I think that the schedule is:

S3 1517 MAR 0600-0930 MIA 757 xSa
S3 1520 MIA-MAR 19:30-22:00 xSa

So that way the aircraft rotation with the plane arriving from VLN is perfect. In the other case with the plane that arrives in MIA from VLN at 18:00 there is no way that the plane could leave MIA at 16:50 bound to MAR.

Cheers

Tavo



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