Drewwright From United States, joined May 2001, 601 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7450 times:
Anyone know where DL got the 757's with no air vents "gaspers". Just got off of one today that had no APU and let me tell you, In ATL at 6pm its not too much fun. Funny postscript apparently the dutch couple behind me said that this would never happen on a airbus
DeltAirlines From United States, joined May 1999, 5935 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7341 times:
The ex-ATA aircraft (N75xAT series; total of 4 planes) also have no air vents. At least in First Class, these planes have legrests, which makes it pretty comfortable. Also, there's extra pitch on the A/B side in First Class (due to only 22 seats), so it's even more comfortable.
I believe the ex-Gulf Air 767s (the ones with 3 doors on each side) also do not have airvents.
RIXrat From United States, joined Nov 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7184 times:
Several years ago I was on a GB flight from LHR to FAO for my summer vacation. The aircraft was an A320 and it did not have any vents. I posted that on another forum and was told that when airlines order planes, there are many options available to cut costs, vent blowers being a popular option to eliminate. However, I never got the cost of that option. I was not very pleased with that flight, especially during the taxiing phase when I prefer my vent full on.
DL1011 From United States, joined May 1999, 328 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7174 times:
Well, if that Dutch couple was on an Airbus, in ATL, in summer with an inop APU and no conditioned ground air....
then I suspect that they would be a bit warm!
Flynavy From United States, joined Mar 2002, 3107 posts, RR: 20 Reply 8, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6841 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7): Delta's ex-Singapore 757-212s may not have gaspers, either... think someone mentioned before that they didn't.
Um, yeah, we already mentioned it in this thread...
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2): The ex-ATA aircraft (N75xAT series; total of 4 planes) also have no air vents. At least in First Class, these planes have legrests, which makes it pretty comfortable. Also, there's extra pitch on the A/B side in First Class (due to only 22 seats), so it's even more comfortable.
The ex-ATA birds are the ex-SQ birds. They were all delivered to SQ and then flew with ATA before being taken up by DL.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5323 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6810 times:
Quoting Drewwright (Thread starter): Funny postscript apparently the dutch couple behind me said that this would never happen on a airbus
They were wrong ...
The Air vent is an "option" chosen (or not) by the Airline when buying the aircraft, and some airbus don't have them.
AF operates some A340 with no Air vents, the oldest ones that were initially ordered by UTA.
The AF B777 don't have Air vents either.
I remember some old DC10 used to them on the back of the seat as seen here :
Planefxr From United States, joined Apr 2008, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6736 times:
Quoting DL1011 (Reply 6): Well, if that Dutch couple was on an Airbus, in ATL, in summer with an inop APU and no conditioned ground air....
then I suspect that they would be a bit warm!
Gasper vents provide direct air distribution for passenger convenience and comfort, whether or not they are installed does not affect the the comfort level of the cabin.
Ground air should have been on at the gate, if not and the APU was inop then it would take all of about 10 minutes in ATL for a 757 to become an oven, then add 180 pax and yes that would be extremely uncomfortable. Having said that if there is no source to distribute, whether an a/c has gasper vents or not it would be inconsequential.
If this occurred even on a single engine taxi the crew would have been operating both packs from engine bleed air. With both packs running there should be more than enough air flow from the sidewall vents that are up high and just outboard of the overhead psu's and down the center aisle overhead.
When did this occur at the gate before departure or in flight? If it occurred in flight then it my guess that there was a problem with the temperature control with one or both packs, possibly auto temp control was inop, sometimes when this occurs the crew controls the temp manually. This can cause huge temperature swings in either direction.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6600 times:
Quoting Planefxr (Reply 11): Gasper vents provide direct air distribution for passenger convenience and comfort, whether or not they are installed does not affect the the comfort level of the cabin.
So does anyone have a breakdown of how much these airvents cost as opposed to not having them? I worked in-flight for a low cost and we did not have them, but with the amount of people that demanded them -- I mean I guess I could have just walked to the back galley and grabbed my tool belt out and just installed one for them.
Bottom line: If the low cost is what you want, then sacrifices have to be made for in-flight services.
Lincoln From United States, joined Nov 2004, 3060 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6533 times:
Quoting Planefxr (Reply 11): Gasper vents provide direct air distribution for passenger convenience and comfort, whether or not they are installed does not affect the the comfort level of the cabin.
Not necessarially the cabin as a whole, but they do affect the comfort of a passenger -- I'm far more comfortable with a jet of air blowing at my head, though usually I'm still hot it takes the edge off.
One of the first things I do is reach up, open the vent to full tilt, then reach back up confirm that it's open and mutter to myself about how poor the flow is.
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I was on an America West 737-300 a couple weeks ago that didn't have any gaspers either. Drove me absolutely insane. Especially considering it was 114 degrees there at the time.
1337Delta764 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 2542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5843 times:
Quoting B727 (Reply 15): Why on earth would you not buy the air vents on new aircraft, especially if they were Gulf Air birds from the middle east where it is hot year round.
Actually, most 777s do not have the gasper vents. Delta is one of the few exceptions.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5542 times:
Quoting B727 (Reply 15): Why on earth would you not buy the air vents on new aircraft, especially if they were Gulf Air birds from the middle east where it is hot year round.
Let's be very clear...you can't buy an airplane without air vents (the vents where the ECS system discharges the vast bulk of the cabin air). You can buy them without gasper vents (the little overhead vents that are individually controllable).
Gasper vents are strictly a passenger perceived comfort item. They aren't responsible for maintaining cabin temperature or airflow. The aircraft meets all the performance requirements, including cabin temperature, without them.
Ptharris From United States, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19): They also had the emergency oxygen masks in the seatbacks (except at bulkhead rows), like DC-8s.
Do they shoot out at you like an airbag? I've never seen that.
I have, however, seen the vents in the seats ahead of you. Thought that was better then above since the seat back on most those flights were right in front of your face. Turn it on full and get the dog out the window effect.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 6082 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
Quoting Ptharris (Reply 20): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
They also had the emergency oxygen masks in the seatbacks (except at bulkhead rows), like DC-8s.
Do they shoot out at you like an airbag? I've never seen that.
They were behind the panel in the top of the seatback which opened to release the masks.
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