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YX Announces Details Of Schedules, Cutbacks.  
User currently offlineN917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

Well, YX has finally announced it's long awaited September schedule. All flights will be updated at 0400 Sunday. A media release will be sent out simultaniously, along with a corporate communication to all employees.
While I can not give specifics, well I could, but it would ruin the suprise. Look for 11 city closures, decreased frequencies, suprise seasonal market and details on how passengers on affected flights will be reaccomodated and refunded. Sorry, but that's all I am going to give at this point.

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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11855 times:



Quoting N917me (Thread starter):
details on how passengers on affected flights will be reaccomodated

On Northwest Airlines???


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

Reactions to this will most certainly be interesting ...


I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11807 times:

Rumor or not, i did hear YX was dropping DFW and NW was going to start MKE-DFW. I would imagine it would be Airlink doing the flying. We shall see.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26013 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

Rumore has...

Baltimore
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
Hartford
Louisville
Muskegon
Raleigh
San Antonio
San Diego
St Louis
Wausau



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

I would guess we'll see SEA and SAN dropped. Can the 717 make it from MKE to LAX & SFO? I'm guessing MCI gets reduced to a spoke with connections to MKE and maybe to LGA.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11819 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11717 times:



Quoting TUSAA (Reply 3):
Rumor or not, i did hear YX was dropping DFW and NW was going to start MKE-DFW.

If Midwest is, indeed, dropping DFW, then perhaps we could see AA restore a bit of the frequency with RJs or - novel concept - even upgrade the flying to mainline.

At one point in the last few years, DFW-MKE was up to five daily RJs, and now it's down to two.

This route would be perfect for a 70-seater, although with Midwest (which has about 75% of the capacity in the market) possibly leaving, I could see AA moving this up to two daily MD80s, with a schedule sort of something like:

DFW 1305 MKE 1520 M80 D
DFW 1955 MKE 2230 M80 D

MKE 0630 DFW 0900 M80 D
MKE 1600 DFW 1835 M80 D

If - hypothetically - Midwest left and AA moved to the above schedule, the market would still lose over 52% of its capacity.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

PIT-MCI's gone, I know that.

When will we be saying g'bye to the MD-80's?



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

LAXintl... Great job.

Now which city will be seasonal?
How many flights will MCI have left?
Which date does all this start?

DFW will NOT be dropped by YX.


User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11660 times:

The 80's will be gone the same day the new schedule goes into effect.
200 pilots will be furloughed, 195 FA's, 200 MKE rampers, 68% of the MCI staff. The city that will become seasonal, will be losing some great senior people.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2978 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11644 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Baltimore
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
Hartford
Louisville
Muskegon
Raleigh
San Antonio
San Diego
St Louis
Wausau

That list looks about right. On Friday all those cities showed all their fare buckets zeroed out except for full coach, which is usually a good sign that the market will be dropped.

Interesting that nearly all of the markets are actually CRJ, assuming these are the correct cities. Only SAN has been a consistent year-round station on mainline.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11627 times:



Quoting N917ME (Reply 8):
Now which city will be seasonal?

My guess would be FLL - can't see them leaving South Florida for winter service. Would be well within the range of the 717 as well.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11566 times:

It looks like the cats been let out of the bag.... but here's YX route performance roster from Q1 2008. From PAXstats Beta 3.

Rnk..Route …. Sys Rev/Dep … Seg Rev/Dep .. Seg RASM …. Tkt Yield …. Contrib Yield …. LF
1 .. MSN-MKE ….. $10,439.41 ….. $4,847.33 ….. $1.57661 ….. $0.28044 ….. $0.15923 ….. 68.46%
2 .. MKG-MKE ….. $4,008.19 ….. $1,292.99 ….. $0.80061 ….. $0.27406 ….. $0.19907 ….. 61.03%
3 .. MKE-GRR ….. $9,154.60 ….. $2,711.58 ….. $0.62487 ….. $0.24102 ….. $0.18395 ….. 68.17%
4 .. MKE-IND ….. $7,531.44 ….. $3,600.81 ….. $0.47280 ….. $0.55338 ….. $0.42632 ….. 57.64%
5 .. RHI-MKE ….. $2,705.27 ….. $1,495.13 ….. $0.39150 ….. $0.27979 ….. $0.16088 ….. 56.22%
6 .. MKE-ATW ….. $8,979.19 ….. $1,324.84 ….. $0.38415 ….. $0.19172 ….. $0.17190 ….. 66.83%
7 .. MKE-FNT ….. $7,179.49 ….. $3,044.54 ….. $0.37577 ….. $0.37338 ….. $0.27668 ….. 52.87%
8 .. PIT-MKE ….. $10,308.31 ….. $8,003.54 ….. $0.37139 ….. $0.61515 ….. $0.37625 ….. 49.34%
9 .. MKE-CWA ….. $8,196.49 ….. $1,532.66 ….. $0.35357 ….. $0.22927 ….. $0.20278 ….. 66.63%
10 .. MKE-GRB ….. $6,716.57 ….. $1,079.63 ….. $0.34055 ….. $0.18491 ….. $0.16412 ….. 62.33%
11 .. MKE-CLE ….. $7,107.93 ….. $3,563.32 ….. $0.33949 ….. $0.47874 ….. $0.38116 ….. 52.86%
12 .. MSP-MKE ….. $14,136.87 ….. $5,940.50 ….. $0.33829 ….. $0.26119 ….. $0.19445 ….. 68.18%
13 .. MKE-CMH ….. $6,666.42 ….. $5,222.60 ….. $0.33469 ….. $0.52338 ….. $0.31033 ….. 51.81%
14 .. MKE-DAY ….. $7,126.69 ….. $3,388.98 ….. $0.33399 ….. $0.45159 ….. $0.36665 ….. 55.06%
15 .. SDF-MKE ….. $6,598.25 ….. $3,455.81 ….. $0.31033 ….. $0.47532 ….. $0.40599 ….. 55.15%
16 .. STL-MKE ….. $6,867.02 ….. $3,488.06 ….. $0.29962 ….. $0.48283 ….. $0.38774 ….. 47.31%
17 .. MKE-EWR ….. $12,923.84 ….. $9,795.57 ….. $0.27022 ….. $0.35756 ….. $0.22241 ….. 60.91%
18 .. SAT-MCI ….. $12,019.00 ….. $9,443.31 ….. $0.26752 ….. $0.32311 ….. $0.22055 ….. 72.29%
19 .. MKE-DSM ….. $7,267.17 ….. $2,499.36 ….. $0.25197 ….. $0.25824 ….. $0.21325 ….. 58.30%
20 .. MKE-BDL ….. $14,439.81 ….. $9,817.31 ….. $0.25173 ….. $0.30921 ….. $0.20825 ….. 62.82%
21 .. MKE-BNA ….. $8,505.80 ….. $4,397.36 ….. $0.25072 ….. $0.34338 ….. $0.31758 ….. 67.47%
22 .. MKE-MBL ….. $2,409.72 ….. $576.90 ….. $0.24686 ….. $0.18727 ….. $0.15247 ….. 36.23%
23 .. MKE-CLT ….. $9,839.88 ….. $7,765.77 ….. $0.23858 ….. $0.36739 ….. $0.29044 ….. 60.34%
24 .. MSN-MCI ….. $12,632.37 ….. $4,190.92 ….. $0.21715 ….. $0.16951 ….. $0.13813 ….. 69.47%
25 .. RDU-MKE ….. $9,526.41 ….. $7,182.65 ….. $0.20850 ….. $0.27435 ….. $0.16918 ….. 60.58%
26 .. MKE-BWI ….. $8,549.37 ….. $6,646.49 ….. $0.20738 ….. $0.25152 ….. $0.20632 ….. 77.28%
27 .. PIT-MCI ….. $9,059.65 ….. $7,976.15 ….. $0.20637 ….. $0.37095 ….. $0.20922 ….. 49.79%
28 .. MKE-ESC ….. $4,261.74 ….. $752.97 ….. $0.20323 ….. $0.16437 ….. $0.14739 ….. 57.30%
29 .. MCI-CMH ….. $9,367.27 ….. $6,369.75 ….. $0.20126 ….. $0.28342 ….. $0.18432 ….. 53.04%
30 .. MCI-AUS ….. $8,955.94 ….. $6,228.34 ….. $0.19164 ….. $0.23666 ….. $0.16826 ….. 66.56%
31 .. MKE-MCI ….. $20,491.76 ….. $7,641.39 ….. $0.18383 ….. $0.18538 ….. $0.14940 ….. 59.00%
32 .. OMA-MKE ….. $12,312.09 ….. $4,820.96 ….. $0.18057 ….. $0.21094 ….. $0.17362 ….. 57.01%
33 .. MKE-LGA ….. $22,092.49 ….. $11,379.69 ….. $0.17522 ….. $0.23626 ….. $0.21726 ….. 68.06%
34 .. MCI-COS ….. $8,246.14 ….. $4,460.56 ….. $0.16582 ….. $0.20871 ….. $0.15604 ….. 56.69%
35 .. MKE-DCA ….. $17,872.79 ….. $8,687.33 ….. $0.15571 ….. $0.24709 ….. $0.23250 ….. 58.84%
36 .. MKE-IMT ….. $2,861.52 ….. $579.21 ….. $0.15439 ….. $0.16711 ….. $0.14665 ….. 41.61%
37 .. PHL-MKE ….. $12,892.28 ….. $6,930.11 ….. $0.15268 ….. $0.23580 ….. $0.21616 ….. 59.69%
38 .. OMA-DCA ….. $23,204.60 ….. $12,032.63 ….. $0.13511 ….. $0.20476 ….. $0.20233 ….. 65.25%
39 .. RSW-MCI ….. $26,249.57 ….. $13,478.42 ….. $0.13261 ….. $0.15401 ….. $0.15065 ….. 84.28%
40 .. MCI-DCA ….. $21,151.76 ….. $10,986.10 ….. $0.13141 ….. $0.18331 ….. $0.17330 ….. 67.85%
41 .. MKE-DFW ….. $20,376.82 ….. $9,699.39 ….. $0.12921 ….. $0.19015 ….. $0.18499 ….. 65.87%
42 .. MKE-ATL ….. $16,086.08 ….. $7,405.41 ….. $0.12579 ….. $0.18015 ….. $0.17493 ….. 67.38%
43 .. MKE-DEN ….. $20,665.25 ….. $9,868.27 ….. $0.12530 ….. $0.15190 ….. $0.14826 ….. 80.27%
44 .. MKE-BOS ….. $19,115.77 ….. $9,068.87 ….. $0.11983 ….. $0.17964 ….. $0.16748 ….. 61.34%
45 .. MCI-LGA ….. $21,361.89 ….. $11,660.30 ….. $0.11970 ….. $0.18785 ….. $0.17414 ….. 59.54%
46 .. MKE-MCO ….. $35,583.88 ….. $17,772.74 ….. $0.11758 ….. $0.14805 ….. $0.14854 ….. 79.69%
47 .. MCO-MCI ….. $21,864.61 ….. $11,031.51 ….. $0.11694 ….. $0.14055 ….. $0.13823 ….. 81.83%
48 .. RSW-MKE ….. $35,178.92 ….. $17,847.80 ….. $0.10557 ….. $0.13945 ….. $0.13900 ….. 75.47%
49 .. MCI-FLL ….. $21,873.80 ….. $11,421.75 ….. $0.10450 ….. $0.12972 ….. $0.12648 ….. 78.67%
50 .. TPA-MKE ….. $30,710.77 ….. $15,541.33 ….. $0.10255 ….. $0.13972 ….. $0.13923 ….. 73.15%
51 .. SAN-MCI ….. $24,195.85 ….. $11,683.37 ….. $0.09960 ….. $0.11964 ….. $0.11584 ….. 80.33%
52 .. MKE-FLL ….. $33,917.53 ….. $17,202.94 ….. $0.09746 ….. $0.13109 ….. $0.13060 ….. 74.07%
53 .. PHX-MKE ….. $35,535.75 ….. $17,840.83 ….. $0.09644 ….. $0.11629 ….. $0.11565 ….. 82.48%
54 .. MCI-LAX ….. $23,320.74 ….. $11,454.79 ….. $0.09550 ….. $0.11312 ….. $0.10657 ….. 79.06%
55 .. MCI-BOS ….. $18,732.21 ….. $10,116.84 ….. $0.09153 ….. $0.16147 ….. $0.15275 ….. 53.93%
56 .. SFO-MCI ….. $36,592.82 ….. $18,987.90 ….. $0.08906 ….. $0.11486 ….. $0.10895 ….. 73.64%
57 .. SEA-MCI ….. $22,858.13 ….. $11,298.63 ….. $0.08623 ….. $0.10457 ….. $0.10261 ….. 80.85%
58 .. MKE-LAX ….. $41,883.37 ….. $21,331.44 ….. $0.08592 ….. $0.10426 ….. $0.10218 ….. 80.79%
59 .. MKE-LAS ….. $36,402.58 ….. $18,212.44 ….. $0.08492 ….. $0.10656 ….. $0.10666 ….. 79.77%
60 .. SEA-MKE ….. $36,968.01 ….. $18,841.43 ….. $0.07842 ….. $0.10745 ….. $0.10402 ….. 70.66%


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11470 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 10):
Interesting that nearly all of the markets are actually CRJ, assuming these are the correct cities. Only SAN has been a consistent year-round station on mainline.

That would indicate that they are getting away from alot of rj flying as well (a good move as they are expensive to fly). Add this to dropping all the md80s as well as 5 717s, we are looking at at least a 50% cut in flying.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11463 times:



Quoting N917me (Thread starter):
Look for 11 city closures,



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Baltimore
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
Hartford
Louisville
Muskegon
Raleigh
San Antonio
San Diego
St Louis
Wausau

I have a feeling the 11 cities doesn't even include markets NW will commence code share on.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11453 times:

Well, this will make for some interesting water cooler talk this week. I wish Midwest all the best in this tough time.

I can't believe they are dropping SDF after upgrading it just recently to CRJ.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11407 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Baltimore
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
Hartford
Louisville
Muskegon
Raleigh
San Antonio
San Diego
St Louis
Wausau

So these will be closed then?


"I can't believe they are dropping SDF after upgrading it just recently to CRJ."

Yeah, but the only reason for the "upgrade" was because Skywest stopped flying, and SkyWest took over all YX connect flights.

[Edited 2008-07-19 21:22:17]


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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11342 times:



Quoting N917me (Thread starter):
passengers on affected flights will be reaccomodated and refunded.

Perhaps on FL!

While I cannot foresee a big increase from FL @ MKE to take advantage of this situation I could see them stepping in for some MKE-STL/SAT/RDU, etc.

Is there any details about YX gates and if they are going to keep all present gates?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11307 times:



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 17):
While I cannot foresee a big increase from FL @ MKE to take advantage of this situation I could see them stepping in for some MKE-STL/SAT/RDU, etc.

There is hardly a "gap" in ending MKE-STL/SAT/RDU.

I do think that AirTran will step in on MKE-FLL and possibly make some California flying (SFO/LAX) year-round.



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 11130 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Baltimore
Fort Myers
Fort Lauderdale
Hartford
Louisville
Muskegon
Raleigh
San Antonio
San Diego
St Louis
Wausau

The only one that I'm really surprised about is FLL. I just thoguht that FLL was just too big of a market for YX to drop, not to mention that its also in Florida. To bad MKG is being dropped, I heard they were getting pretty good loads on the new CRJ service.



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

ok. It's close to 4.. So here is the rest. MCO. Will stop on September 8, as with the rest of the cities mentioned. That is also the day the 80's say bye bye. MCO will return with seasonal service in October with 1 717.

We will have 11 lines of CRJ and 20 lines of mainline flying.

The 717 conversion will be complete in October.

DFW loses one RT
EWR loses one RT and will only have CRJs
BOS loses two flights, will get them back seasonally
LGA loses two flights
PHL loses one RT. Will have 2 x 717. 2xCRJ
DEN/PHX/TPA/SFO/SEA will have only 1RT
LAS will have 2 RT

Passengers who are affected will be reacomodated on YX or NW only. Expedia, priceline, etc passengers are on their own. Refunds will be issued for them.

After all is complete, we will be in finacially better shape and able to be OK with 150.00/bb oil. It's painful, but needed. We are back to the basics, what we are good at, serving business markets that produce good yeilds.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6085 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10873 times:

MCO wow....I didn't see that one coming, I suppose it makes since considering that yields in general are not that great.

Good luck YX hopefully this works....



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10853 times:

was. just doing some flight checking and noticed the one LAX flight through MCI, haven't checked many others yet

User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10761 times:



Quoting N917ME (Reply 20):
SFO/SEA will have only 1RT

Thats normal.

Quoting N917ME (Reply 20):
MCO. Will stop on September 8, as with the rest of the cities mentioned. That is also the day the 80's say bye bye. MCO will return with seasonal service in October with 1 717.

Thats freaking unbelievable! MCO? Say it ain't so!

[quote=N917ME,reply=20]LGA loses two flights[/quote
I'm starting to think FL had something to do w/ this.

I still can't believe this is even happening...



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

I'm not pulling up any LAS flights at all right now checking all dates in October

25 LACA773 : What a shame. And at the same time, they are making these large cutbacks to remain viable and alive or they will be gone. It's the sad reality of it n
26 EVA777SEA : I checked September 20th on their website and according to that schedule, SEA/SFO/LAX-MKE are all gone and SEA/SFO/LAX-MCI are all 1 RT with the SEA f
27 Flyboy7974 : I am pulling up the LAS flights now, twice daily nonstop, I must have been trying as they were making the schedule changes and loading the system
28 Post contains links Flyboy7974 : http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=774305 okay, not so computer literate trying to cut paste topic headlines, but there's a pretty good artic
29 LAXintl : I think in the long run YX will find these flights(esp with such low frequency) wont be very successful for a multitude of reasons including having p
30 AA737-823 : Good luck, ya'll. I loved your airline the once chance I had to fly with you. Now I'm in Alaska, so I can't do anything for you... but I'm rooting for
31 SANFan : I'm sure I'll have plenty of takers on this but can someone explain to me why SAN service was cancelled and SEA wasn't? Given the data provided by MOB
32 Gilesdavies : Does anyone know what happening with the remaining 717's? Will they be reconfigured to a Signature and Saver Classed with a 2-3 config, surely if they
33 Luv2fly : I have to agree, no airline has ever successfully shrunk itself to profitability. This is just a stop gap measure until the other shoe falls.
34 Lexy : Ahh, that's right! They had Beech 1900 service before the RJ's started. LOL!! I forgot about that. Well then, it makes perfectly good sense now to dr
35 N917ME : airlines have shrunk to profitability, it's been discussed in many other threads.
36 MOBflyer : YX may feel that they cannot charge the upcoming break-even/profit fares on SAN, but they feel that they can on SEA. I don't know the breakdown, but
37 SiouxATC : But that doesnt mean that because YX has done some skrinking it will stay afloat, hopefully they will but it is going to be very, very hard to run an
38 Sxf24 : The data is only a small slice of the routes revenue profile. SEA may have a higher contribution margin or more high yield connections. Its also a lo
39 Post contains links Boeing757/767 : Here is a route map of post-September cuts: http://www.midwestairlines.com/MAWeb/assets/pdfs/RouteMap090908.pdf
40 KarlB737 : I suppose it is safe to assume that a possible cancellation of service to MKG means an automatic cancellation of the MKG to MBL feed as well.[Edited 2
41 MOBflyer : The data includes the contribution yield. SAN did outperform SEA by that metric, but it appears as though SEA has a higher proportion of O&D vs. conn
42 JBo : For going straight from a Beech to a CRJ, we've done amazingly well. The way it was explained to us is that it wasn't our station's performance that
43 PlanesNTrains : Not very "businessey". I would guess one other consideration might be the NW operations at LAX, SFO, and SEA. For example, MCI-SEA can feed transpac
44 Pilotfox : Looking at the route map it looks like MSN-MCI is cut, I was told that was the best performing RJ flying for YX.
45 Pilotfox : Duplicate posting filler filler[Edited 2008-07-20 10:13:09]
46 Mke717spotter : Well don't look now, but the price of oil has tumbled down to $128 a barrel over the past four days. Could it be that we've finally turned the corner
47 Knope2001 : I'm starting to think FL had something to do w/ this. The two discontinued LGA flights are MCI-LGA. Milwaukee still has 5x/day MKE-LGA.
48 Luv2fly : Who TZ, AQ, SX, TW, PA, EA.
49 TVNWZ : Just like any business, if you drop lines of your business that are LOSING money to concentrate on the ones that are MAKING money, you absolutely can
50 Luv2fly : You make a valid point. And I agree with you. Though if history is any sign of what to expect, no carrier has ever successfully shrunk themselves to
51 MKE22 : Yeah, I suppose that could be part of the problem, but they didn't really over-expand, it is just a matter of the fact oil was cheaper and it was les
52 F9Animal : This is very sad news. I hope for the best, and I really am hoping that YX pulls through this.
53 Wedgetail737 : Also, there's not as much competition between SEA-MCI. WN only has one RT per day on the route as well, around the same time.
54 Knope2001 : But it's not about flying someplace for the sake of having flights there. It's about flying where they can make money. The yields on MKE-MCO are low,
55 Luv2fly : Fall begins the slow period for air travel. Why not cut the flights you will not be filling full? So like you said why fly for the sake of flying?
56 PlanesNTrains : Well, I know that BK is not [yet] a factor for Midwest, but I remember some pretty broad cutbacks for CO in the past BK's. AA has grown and cut. US h
57 Luv2fly : The other airlines might have cut though they still started with and ended up with a more extensive route map. The small route map of YX is also a de
58 Luv2fly : That is still 2 plane load of passengers NOT flying Midwest.
59 Knope2001 : This seems to be one of those often-repeated "everybody knows" statements that I don't think is quite accurate. America West and Continental (twice)
60 Luv2fly : They had a solid route map to start with, YX does not have that luxury to fall back on. Yes they used bankruptcy to achieve results, now YX is not in
61 JBo : There are 21 gates on the D concourse, and we were told that the busiest MKE will get on the new schedule is 18 planes on the ground at once and that
62 HermansCVR580 : Does anybody think that other airlines will pick up and add service or frequency where Midwest is dropping. I know times are tough right now fir all t
63 Knope2001 : It seems rather likely that if anyone is going to backfill any of this, it's going to be AirTran. Here's what I would guess: Florida, Vegas and Phoen
64 MKE22 : I would call that a safe bet. Do you see them adding more flights like 2x seasonal RSW a well? Or maybe keeping MCO 2x instead of 1x? Could they keep
65 Mariner : Obviously, I think it is sad news for the staff who will lose their jobs - but I don't think it is sad news for Midwest, the airline. Midwest used to
66 Alias1024 : This cut surprised me. The RJs seem to always be overbooked at BWI. It's amazing that they couldn't find the yields to make it work. Perhaps it was j
67 Post contains links Mke717spotter : http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=1&date=7/21/2008&id=43537 MONDAY, July 21, 2008, 4:32 p.m. By Tom Daykin Northwest will add daily nonstop to L.A.
68 Exaauadl : That is not true....that is union talk. AA did so in the mid 1990s and arguably most legacies did so between 2001 and 06 when by 2006, most airlines
69 TVNWZ : Yet.
70 Max999 : Since both destinations have roughly the same stats, the airline might have decided which city to cut based on external macroeconomic factors. Southe
71 Post contains links Nwaesc : Here you go... LAX-MKE on NWA... http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...53B-B69C-5CCB9AD273A0%7D&dist=hppr
72 EVA777SEA : Well, if anyone could make SEA-MKE work it would be either NW or AS. Unfortunately though, I don't think it will happen on either.
73 SANFan : Thanks to those of you who helped me to try to understand this closure of San Diego by Midwest. Four down (at Lindbergh) so far this year -- SX, AQ, X
74 MAH4546 : AirTran will announce FLL-MKE tomorrow.
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