LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2446 posts, RR: 2 Posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
I have just learnt that AF A32Xs don't have overhead monitors, which is a big disappointment since these planes are not only used on short haul destinations (they are also used on routes to AMM, TLV, which are flights which last between 4 to 5 hours...).
OK, this enables to burn less fuel but almost every major European airline has IFE on their A32Xs/B737NG, this is really disappointing for an airline like AF.
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4248 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
Watching monitors is proven to kill brain cells, so it is a good protective action. For me, all airlines should through out these dangerous brain washers, or use them for the security information only.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
Quoting LY777 (Thread starter): I have just learnt that AF A32Xs don't have overhead monitors, which is a big disappointment since these planes are not only used on short haul destinations (they are also used on routes to AMM, TLV, which are flights which last between 4 to 5 hours...).
Quoting Goldorak (Reply 2): Unless this has changed recently, AF A320 which flies to TLV, AMM, DAM do have overhead screens
8 AF A320 are fitted with an IFE system (Sony or Matsushita) with overhead monitors. Those aircraft are used mostly for the flights to TLV, AMM, DAM, EVN but sometimes also on the shorter European AF network. They are :
F-GFKR, F-GFKS, F-GKXB, F-GKXF, F-GKXJ, F-GKXL, F-GKXM, and the two brand new A320 (delivered last April 2008) F-GKXO, F-GKXP.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1): Watching monitors is proven to kill brain cells, so it is a good protective action.
Yeah, great that airlines like AF help us all to prevent brain damages. Now we just need to get rid of all these dangerous billions of "monitors" or similar displays used in computers, TVs, mobile phones, machines, aircraft, ships and whatever around the world in order to save the human race...
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1): For me, all airlines should through out these dangerous brain washers, or use them for the security information only.
Fine. Why not also abandon inflight meals, alcoholic drinks, air conditioning systems or whatever - all that stuff can somehow damage certain human beings in a certain way...
LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2446 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2088 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3): 8 AF A320 are fitted with an IFE system (Sony or Matsushita) with overhead monitors. Those aircraft are used mostly for the flights to TLV, AMM, DAM, EVN but sometimes also on the shorter European AF network. They are :
F-GFKR, F-GFKS, F-GKXB, F-GKXF, F-GKXJ, F-GKXL, F-GKXM, and the two brand new A320 (delivered last April 2008) F-GKXO, F-GKXP.
That's good news, but still, a friend of mine who flew to Morroco on an A318 told me that he was disappointed that on a 3 hour and a half flight, there was no IFE
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3): 8 AF A320 are fitted with an IFE system (Sony or Matsushita) with overhead monitors. Those aircraft are used mostly for the flights to TLV, AMM, DAM, EVN but sometimes also on the shorter European AF network. They are :
F-GFKR, F-GFKS, F-GKXB, F-GKXF, F-GKXJ, F-GKXL, F-GKXM, and the two brand new A320 (delivered last April 2008) F-GKXO, F-GKXP.
I flew on F-GKXB and F-GKXN last spring and i noticed that they had overhead monitors but they weren't activated during the flight. How comes?
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2446 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 6): I flew on F-GKXB and F-GKXN last spring and i noticed that they had overhead monitors but they weren't activated during the flight. How comes?
Maybe beacause the flight was too short?! I experienced the same on an IB A320 between Palma de Mallorca and MAD
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2000 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 6): I flew on F-GKXB and F-GKXN last spring and i noticed that they had overhead monitors but they weren't activated during the flight. How comes?
The IFE is not supposed to be used on other flights than TLV, DAM, AMM, EVN.
When those aircraft are used on other European routes, the only thing that can be shown is the "Geovision" (route, altitude, estimated arrival time, etc ...) some Purser sometime turn it on, even if they are not supposed to....
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8): he IFE is not supposed to be used on other flights than TLV, DAM, AMM, EVN.
When those aircraft are used on other European routes, the only thing that can be shown is the "Geovision" (route, altitude, estimated arrival time, etc ...) some Purser sometime turn it on, even if they are not supposed to....
Well my flights were between ARN and CDG, and still no airshow or Geovision was shown.
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
GatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 7): Maybe beacause the flight was too short?! I experienced the same on an IB A320 between Palma de Mallorca and MAD
Until 3 years ago, Iberia had overhead monitors on any aircraft, including the old MDs. They were systematically used on any flight for safety demos and then they had some in-flight information (new routes, Iberia Plus, publicity --Avis, hotels--, and also some stupid programs). They decided to remove the monitors (except for the long haul fleet) because each monitor had to pay a tax and it was too costly.
A real shame, because the A320 family flies to Malabo (6 hours), Dakar (~5 hrs), Lagos (~4h), Stockholm (~+3 hours), Moscow (~5hrs), Saint Petersburg (~5hrs), Tel Aviv, Athens, Cairo,... Some IFE would be good.
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1854 times:
Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 10): They decided to remove the monitors (except for the long haul fleet) because each monitor had to pay a tax and it was too costly.
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by the monitors having to pay a tax?
Pilot: "Request push, which way should we face?" JFK Ground: "You better face the front, sir, or you'll scare the pax!"
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12): Alcohol should be banned from every flight.
You read almost every week about air rage and it´s 99,9% to do with alcohol.
Why "punishing" all the passengers because of a minority of as*h*les ?
I'd rather say that the people who cause "air rage", whatever can be the reason, should be sentenced more heavily and financially and it should be published by the Medias, so next time, they would think twice because causing troubles and the rest of the passengers could continue to enjoy a glass of Champagne or good wine ....
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
Do the A319LR Dedicate planes have any form of IFE? Is it possible that they have seatback TVs? Are the Y seats the same as on the other A32X or are they the same as on the 744/A332?
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
Maxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1): Watching monitors is proven to kill brain cells, so it is a good protective action. For me, all airlines should through out these dangerous brain washers, or use them for the security information only.
Get back in your cage!!!
That is sad to hear that some of their aircraft don't have IFE. I does make a lot of difference, especially for the little ones!
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1768 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 14): Do the A319LR Dedicate planes have any form of IFE? Is it possible that they have seatback TVs? Are the Y seats the same as on the other A32X or are they the same as on the 744/A332?
The A319LR Dedicate do have an IFE with overhead monitors in Y.
Portable DVD players are given for the flight to the Business Class passengers with a wide selection of movies.
The Y seats and pitch are identical to the ones in the regular long haul Y Class.
Here is a Picture of the Business Class :
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1768 times:
IMO with all the portable devices that exist nowadays IFE it's not as important as it used to be, although I find unacceptable that not even a portable DVD is offered to J pax on IB medium haul flights (>4hrs) like DKR, SVO, TLV, etc.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 13): I'd rather say that the people who cause "air rage", whatever can be the reason, should be sentenced more heavily and financially and it should be published by the Medias, so next time, they would think twice because causing troubles and the rest of the passengers could continue to enjoy a glass of Champagne or good wine ....
Exactly. And we shouldn't forget that in many cases of air rage the very passengers are already drunken when stepping on board.
Bramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 5): That's good news, but still, a friend of mine who flew to Morroco on an A318 told me that he was disappointed that on a 3 hour and a half flight, there was no IFE
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 19): probably a royalty for the shows/movies shown as the entertainment
So the more monitors on the plane, the higher the tax? What about if a monitor malfunctions, does that still qualify?
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 17): although I find unacceptable that not even a portable DVD is offered to J pax on IB medium haul flights (>4hrs) like DKR, SVO, TLV, etc.
In the US, first-class passengers don't get personal entertainment on much longer flights (i.e. transcontinental on AA (except 762s), UA (except internationally-configured planes), US, and sometimes DL, or even to Hawaii, which can be six hours or more).
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UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1572 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Reply 21): In the US, first-class passengers don't get personal entertainment on much longer flights
I know that, but that's the standard in the US and as long as pax don't demand any better that's what you get, but I mentioned IB because most of their competitors in europe do offer IFE in medium haul flights (4-6 hrs).
IMO it's unacceptable whenever it happens, premium cabin pax should get some kind of IFE in such a long flights.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1572 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Reply 21): In the US, first-class passengers don't get personal entertainment on much longer flights (i.e. transcontinental on AA (except 762s), UA (except internationally-configured planes), US, and sometimes DL, or even to Hawaii, which can be six hours or more).
Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
I'm sure you are being sarcastic, but if you don't want to watch an IFE or overhead monitor, just don't. When I was commuting and not working a flight, I brought a book to read.
As far as banning alcohol, I've dealt with more obnoxious sober pax than drunks.
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