Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Air France Emergency Landing At Bogota  
User currently offlineFabi737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16493 times:

Newspapers reported on 19 July that an Air France Airbus, presumably a 340, with 230 passengers and 18 crew, ran into engine problems while overflying Bucaramanga. It had to return to Bogota and burn fuel for an hour before making an emergency landing at El Dorado airport. Reports say the emergency was reported by the crew to the passengers and that the incident was handled effectively with the plane touching down safely.

34 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16490 times:

F-GLZJ

Currently being fixed.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16439 times:

AF423 BOG-CDG.

Left BOG at 5:17 PM LT. Returned safely to BOG at 7:15pm LT.

The flight is re-scheduled as AF423A to leave BOG on Sunday July 20th at 12:30PM LT.


User currently offlineAustrianSimon From Austria, joined May 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16294 times:

Was a problem with a thrust reverser indication.

Full details: http://avherald.com/h?article=409e8cde

Servus, Simon


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16136 times:



Quoting AustrianSimon (Reply 3):

Full details: http://avherald.com/h?article=409e8cde

The Aircraft is carrying 13 Crew (3 Pilots + 10 F/A), not 18 ....
All the rest is correct.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15991 times:

Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.


744,742,741,772,773,762,732,735,738,752,727,717,DC10,DC9,M82,M87,319,320,321,343,346,L1011,CRJ2,CRJ9,E190,ATR42,DSH8,
User currently offlineFabi737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15955 times:

How many passengers are the limit for an Airbus 340-300 to take off from Bogota given its high altitude?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15927 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.

Not with the A340.

Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15890 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.

Here we go again...

And yes there was a second one today; F-GFKD en route to Paris; IFSD


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15653 times:



Quoting Fabi737 (Reply 6):
Not with the A340.

Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
Here we go again...

And yes there was a second one today; F-GFKD en route to Paris; IFSD

Is'nt that A/C an A320-100? I had no idea they were still in service.



AIRLINERS.NET MODERATORS SUCK MOOSE DICK!!!!
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15581 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Is'nt that A/C an A320-100? I had no idea they were still in service.

AF still operate 11 of them, including the world oldest A320 in service F-GFKA

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?

 scratchchin  What's your point ????


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14776 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
What's your point ????

I think his intentions are quite obvious.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14747 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?

1 A340 with no Fatalities. Compared to 0 777 losses. Dont turn this into A v B



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineAAN777AN From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14624 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 11):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
What's your point ????

I think his intentions are quite obvious.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Those intentions being, I believe, to point out that the FlySSC's comments are a bit of an over-generalization.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14595 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?

1 A340 with no Fatalities. Compared to 0 777 losses. Dont turn this into A v B

And an A340-200 that caught fire during maintenance in 1994.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940120-0


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14536 times:

Ooops, on its second attempt, flight AF423 (now A423A) had to return to the gate half an hour after it left it. It had already left an hour and a half later than the rescheduled time.
An extra hour delay is now expected.

Vol parti de Bogota (BOG) à 17:17, Sam. 19 juil. 08

Retour sur Bogota (BOG) à 19:15, Sam. 19 juil. 08

Vol parti de Bogota (BOG) à 13:54, Dim. 20 juil. 08

Retour sur Bogota (BOG) à 14:26, Dim. 20 juil. 08

Départ prévu de Bogota (BOG) à 15:30, Dim. 20 juil. 08

Arrivée prévue à Paris (CDG) à 09:00, Lun. 21 juil. 08


User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

Is a thrust reverse malfunction a cause to divert?? I know that planes can fly and land without using an engine thrust reverser if needed, or does AF require that it gets checked out immediately? Can a damaged thrust reverser cause in flight engine problems??

User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13841 times:

Glad all worked out without incident. Ive been traveling with AF frequently and they are a very professional organization.


Will someone please wake me up in 4 years
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13762 times:



Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 18):
Is a thrust reverse malfunction a cause to divert?? I know that planes can fly and land without using an engine thrust reverser if needed, or does AF require that it gets checked out immediately? Can a damaged thrust reverser cause in flight engine problems??

I hope that someone with the detailed knowledge can answer fully what might have been wrong in this particular case and the potential consequences. I imagine that a thrust reverser mechanism problem is potentially dangerous. In this particular case, the warning came just as the A340 was about to start its transatlatic crossing, so aborting it seems to me like the only option.

Flight reverser deployement in mid-air in the past have proved catastrophic. To mind come the Lauda 767 and a TAM F100.


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13350 times:



Quoting AAN777AN (Reply 13):
Those intentions being, I believe, to point out that the FlySSC's comments are a bit of an over-generalization.

Bingo!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
A340 with no Fatalities. Compared to 0 777 losses. Dont turn this into A v B

Well close 2 A340's, and it was not my intent to make this an Airbus vs Boeing debate, but to show how out of place the above statement was. Just as my reply seemed.

I am a fan of both Airbus and Boeing (all A/C mfg's for that matter). However a claim that most diversions were due to a 777 or the GE-90 powerplant was incorrect.



AIRLINERS.NET MODERATORS SUCK MOOSE DICK!!!!
User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12115 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 19):
However a claim that most diversions were due to a 777 or the GE-90 powerplant was incorrect.

Is it?.
As far as I know, most of the tech-related diversions of AF in the last couple of years, have been of the 777. Whether it is the engine or the plane itself, that's up to FlySSC as he works for AF.


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Don't mean to divert off-topic here, but you guys need to give FlySSC some credit. He clearly has unique knowledge of AF and has been an asset to this board - I think he MIGHT be familiar with AF's diversions. Just maybe.

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9):
Quoting Fabi737 (Reply 6):
Not with the A340.

Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?

Is this question REALLY "just out of curiosity," as you claim, or is it just flamebait?

Quoting AAN777AN (Reply 13):
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Those intentions being, I believe, to point out that the FlySSC's comments are a bit of an over-generalization.

So, how did he overgeneralize? He is defending AF's record of diversions against those of other European majors, and CLEARLY AF's number was inflated against those of its competitors by an extraordinarily high amount of 777 GE90 diversions recently.

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 19):
but to show how out of place the above statement was.

It wasn't out of place at all, it was true.

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 19):
a claim that most diversions were due to a 777 or the GE-90 powerplant was incorrect.

If you're so confident, I'd challenge you to offer up the facts.



YES URLS in signature!!!
User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11848 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Not with the A340.

Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Of course we would see more 340 diversions if they had new customers. So, it's really simply an issue of frequency. Not any specific issue.  Wink



To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.” Sun Tzu
User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11671 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
I hope that someone with the detailed knowledge can answer fully what might have been wrong in this particular case and the potential consequences. I imagine that a thrust reverser mechanism problem is potentially dangerous. In this particular case, the warning came just as the A340 was about to start its transatlatic crossing, so aborting it seems to me like the only option.

Flight reverser deployement in mid-air in the past have proved catastrophic. To mind come the Lauda 767 and a TAM F100.

Yes, very true! I just know that I have seen instances of flying with thrust reversers MEL, but it would depend on what the issue is I agree.

Anyone know if they've made a Mayday episode involving these accidents??


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11326 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).

Ok the way I read this is that MOST DIVERSIONS were made by 777 aircraft due to the recurrent problems on the GE-90 powerplant, and that is a incorrect statement. Period.

Now that may be true for AF, But not "most airlines" There are diversions everyday for all sorts of reasons, I even read one yesterday about a naked man. I'm sure the gentleman from AF is very knowledgeable of the goings on at AF, I just disagreed with his general statement, thats all.

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 21):
It wasn't out of place at all, it was true.

Read above.

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 21):
If you're so confident, I'd challenge you to offer up the facts.

I just did.



AIRLINERS.NET MODERATORS SUCK MOOSE DICK!!!!
25 Vs346 : He meant diversions for AF in particular, not all diversions in general, were recently mostly due to the problems with their B777 engines. And their h
26 F9Widebody : But your interpretation is not the statement he made. Go back and look at his statement, it was specifically in reference to another poster who said
27 Post contains links and images Summa767 : Here is a photo of the A340 at BOG being worked on: After a further 3 hour delay this plane left for CDG. Courtesy of AndresBlue
28 FlySSC : Maybe I didn't make myself clear, and I apologize for that, but English is not my first language . I was answering to the following question asked by
29 Pihero : I might add that FlySSC has only listed the engine-related in-flight diversions. He might have added the cracked windscreen on a 772 two years ago whi
30 Post contains links FlySSC : I guess you are referring to the incident on F-GSPZ, operating AF062 CDG-LAX on October 17th 2002. The flight diverted to Churchill (YYQ - Manitoba/C
31 Pihero : Merci, camarade ! So long ago ! Time flies. I'have never seen the report . I just followed the incident from the CCO and had other worries afterwards.
32 Post contains images FlySSC : Everything was "Homeric" in this "adventure". The passengers had to leave the plane via the escape chute of the Door 1R because the Airport had no st
33 Flybyguy : That's pretty frightening actually. I guess they didn't experience any adverse controlability issues that's why they burnt fuel for a while rather th
34 Post contains links FlySSC : The thrust reverser didn't deploy in flight for real. They just had a false indication about it : http://avherald.com/h?article=409e8cde
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
First Air 737 Emergency Landing At YOW posted Fri Feb 22 2008 09:03:14 by Manu
Air Comet Emergency Landing At SJO (8-30-07) posted Thu Aug 30 2007 23:33:14 by LTU932
Air Zimbabwe Emergency Landing At Vic Falls posted Thu Jun 29 2006 13:14:11 by CraigW
EVA Air 2196 Emergency Landing At NRT posted Mon Mar 28 2005 15:17:52 by Shonandai
King Air Makes Emergency Landing At PDK posted Tue Aug 24 2004 20:46:11 by Pilottim
Air Comet Emergency Landing At SJO (8-30-07) posted Thu Aug 30 2007 23:33:14 by LTU932
Basiq Air 737 Emergency Landing At Rotterdam posted Sun Jun 13 2004 23:40:51 by Ams
Air Zimbabwe Emergency Landing At Vic Falls posted Thu Jun 29 2006 13:14:11 by CraigW
Air Canada Emergency Landing At Vancouver Intl posted Fri Nov 7 2003 08:59:22 by Connector4you
EVA Air 2196 Emergency Landing At NRT posted Mon Mar 28 2005 15:17:52 by Shonandai
Air New Zealand Emergency Landing At AKL posted Sat Jul 10 2004 13:12:45 by Soups
King Air Makes Emergency Landing At PDK posted Tue Aug 24 2004 20:46:11 by Pilottim
Basiq Air 737 Emergency Landing At Rotterdam posted Sun Jun 13 2004 23:40:51 by Ams
"Air Holland"'s 757 Emergency Landing At MAN posted Wed Jul 17 2002 11:01:31 by David_itl
First Air 737 Emergency Landing At YOW posted Fri Feb 22 2008 09:03:14 by Manu
Air Canada Emergency Landing At Vancouver Intl posted Fri Nov 7 2003 08:59:22 by Connector4you
Air Europe Jet Emergency Landing At BOS posted Thu Jun 6 2002 00:50:25 by Zeus01
Air Comet Emergency Landing At SJO (8-30-07) posted Thu Aug 30 2007 23:33:14 by LTU932
Air New Zealand Emergency Landing At AKL posted Sat Jul 10 2004 13:12:45 by Soups
Air Zimbabwe Emergency Landing At Vic Falls posted Thu Jun 29 2006 13:14:11 by CraigW
"Air Holland"'s 757 Emergency Landing At MAN posted Wed Jul 17 2002 11:01:31 by David_itl
Air Europe Jet Emergency Landing At BOS posted Thu Jun 6 2002 00:50:25 by Zeus01
EVA Air 2196 Emergency Landing At NRT posted Mon Mar 28 2005 15:17:52 by Shonandai
King Air Makes Emergency Landing At PDK posted Tue Aug 24 2004 20:46:11 by Pilottim
Basiq Air 737 Emergency Landing At Rotterdam posted Sun Jun 13 2004 23:40:51 by Ams
Air Canada Emergency Landing At Vancouver Intl posted Fri Nov 7 2003 08:59:22 by Connector4you
Air New Zealand Emergency Landing At AKL posted Sat Jul 10 2004 13:12:45 by Soups
"Air Holland"'s 757 Emergency Landing At MAN posted Wed Jul 17 2002 11:01:31 by David_itl
Air Europe Jet Emergency Landing At BOS posted Thu Jun 6 2002 00:50:25 by Zeus01