Fabi737 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 5 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10222 times:
Newspapers reported on 19 July that an Air France Airbus, presumably a 340, with 230 passengers and 18 crew, ran into engine problems while overflying Bucaramanga. It had to return to Bogota and burn fuel for an hour before making an emergency landing at El Dorado airport. Reports say the emergency was reported by the crew to the passengers and that the incident was handled effectively with the plane touching down safely.
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 849 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9720 times:
Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5402 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9656 times:
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5): Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.
Not with the A340.
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).
Swiftski From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 2006, 2052 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9619 times:
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5): Corect me if I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that AF have had more emergency landings and diversions due to mx than their main european competition (BA/LH/IB/etc) over the last couple of years.
Here we go again...
And yes there was a second one today; F-GFKD en route to Paris; IFSD
Cathay Pacific or Virgin Atlantic. Win Win situation.
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).
Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?
AAN777AN From United States, joined Feb 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8353 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 11): Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
What's your point ????
I think his intentions are quite obvious.
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7): Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).
Those intentions being, I believe, to point out that the FlySSC's comments are a bit of an over-generalization.
Summa767 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8265 times:
Ooops, on its second attempt, flight AF423 (now A423A) had to return to the gate half an hour after it left it. It had already left an hour and a half later than the rescheduled time.
An extra hour delay is now expected.
Vol parti de Bogota (BOG) à 17:17, Sam. 19 juil. 08
Retour sur Bogota (BOG) à 19:15, Sam. 19 juil. 08
Vol parti de Bogota (BOG) à 13:54, Dim. 20 juil. 08
Retour sur Bogota (BOG) à 14:26, Dim. 20 juil. 08
Départ prévu de Bogota (BOG) à 15:30, Dim. 20 juil. 08
Arrivée prévue à Paris (CDG) à 09:00, Lun. 21 juil. 08
Boeingluvr From United Kingdom (England), joined Jun 2007, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7696 times:
Is a thrust reverse malfunction a cause to divert?? I know that planes can fly and land without using an engine thrust reverser if needed, or does AF require that it gets checked out immediately? Can a damaged thrust reverser cause in flight engine problems??
Summa767 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7491 times:
Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 18): Is a thrust reverse malfunction a cause to divert?? I know that planes can fly and land without using an engine thrust reverser if needed, or does AF require that it gets checked out immediately? Can a damaged thrust reverser cause in flight engine problems??
I hope that someone with the detailed knowledge can answer fully what might have been wrong in this particular case and the potential consequences. I imagine that a thrust reverser mechanism problem is potentially dangerous. In this particular case, the warning came just as the A340 was about to start its transatlatic crossing, so aborting it seems to me like the only option.
Flight reverser deployement in mid-air in the past have proved catastrophic. To mind come the Lauda 767 and a TAM F100.
DUALRATED From United States, joined May 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7079 times:
Quoting AAN777AN (Reply 13): Those intentions being, I believe, to point out that the FlySSC's comments are a bit of an over-generalization.
Bingo!
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12): A340 with no Fatalities. Compared to 0 777 losses. Dont turn this into A v B
Well close 2 A340's, and it was not my intent to make this an Airbus vs Boeing debate, but to show how out of place the above statement was. Just as my reply seemed.
I am a fan of both Airbus and Boeing (all A/C mfg's for that matter). However a claim that most diversions were due to a 777 or the GE-90 powerplant was incorrect.
Acheron From Venezuela, joined Sep 2005, 632 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5844 times:
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 19): However a claim that most diversions were due to a 777 or the GE-90 powerplant was incorrect.
Is it?.
As far as I know, most of the tech-related diversions of AF in the last couple of years, have been of the 777. Whether it is the engine or the plane itself, that's up to FlySSC as he works for AF.
F9Widebody From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1571 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5704 times:
Don't mean to divert off-topic here, but you guys need to give FlySSC some credit. He clearly has unique knowledge of AF and has been an asset to this board - I think he MIGHT be familiar with AF's diversions. Just maybe.
Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 9): Quoting Fabi737 (Reply 6):
Not with the A340.
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777 due to recurrent problems on the GE90 engines, not only with AF but most Airlines operating this a/c type and engines (SQ, and many others).
Just out of curiosoty how many A340 hull losses does AF have vs the 777?
Is this question REALLY "just out of curiosity," as you claim, or is it just flamebait?
Quoting AAN777AN (Reply 13): Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
Most of the diversion in the recent past were made by B777
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