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What Are Everyone's Opinions Of Sabena?  
User currently offlineNrlcd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

I am deciding between Sabena and Air France from JFK to CDG (with sabena a stop in bru) in may. What opinions can you all give me about sabena? i have flown air france and I didnt really find it to be too special, plus sabena is cheaper......any opinions and/or recommendations?

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User currently offlineNo1racer From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 936 times:

Hi Nrlcd,

Since you are flying from JFK, you will probably get the MD-11 or A340-300. In my advise, take Air France because I have know more friends with luggage trouble and hard hard landings in Brussels.


User currently offlineNrlcd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 929 times:

actually, according to both reservations and their computer online booking, it'll be an Airbus A330-300.

User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 921 times:

Excusse my,but if there are luggages problems it's in
paris.
You will have a nice flight .
ciao


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 918 times:

Sabena = Such A Bloody Experience, Never Again.

Unfortunately, it's as true today as it was thirty years ago - in many ways, more so. If you're travelling on a heavily discounted ticket, SN has the practice of cancelling your reservation (happened to my colleagues on numerous occasions and at numerous stations from ANR to BJM to BJL; too many for it to be a coincidence or mere 'computer error') - and they will then offer to sell you a seat at full fare.

Rather go on a civilised airline like Virgin!


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 909 times:

hi
I took SN to fly CDG to COO (Cotonou,Benin) thru BRU and had a nice experience:nice flight and nice people,though I had a discounted ticket...my baggage did follow me too
oh by the way lumumba,of course the problem is in CDG as far the baggage is concerned...see, we like not to give passengers their bags back and we do it our duty to lose them between the plane and the belt...



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User currently offlineThe Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 901 times:

If it´s cheaper with SN and you never tried them before, this seems to be the perfect opportunity. I doubt BRU baggage handling could be worse than CDG. Not that CDG is notorious, but I dint think it's better than BRU. Give SN a try (they need your money)!

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 900 times:

hi
I never said CDG was better at handling baggage than BRU !! I just meant that if BRU effectively sends bags to CDG,why on earth should we find a way not to give them to passengers??
It happens that bags fall off a cart somewhere between the plane and the belt and is found 3/4 of an hour later (and it's a problem at every big hub),but generally the bag is stuck at the connecting point not at the final destination
but once again, I don't have anything against SN since my bags followed and found their service ok



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8119 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 900 times:

I would always take the opportunity to check out a new airline. Sabena seem to be quite variable, some people I know have had great flights with them, others think they're terrible.

My Dad was to fly with them from Entebbe to Heathrow via Brussels National Airport. As the DC10 taxied onto the stand at Entebbe, there was hydraulic fluid pouring out of one of the main gears onto the tarmac. Needless to say the return flight was cancelled and Dad got home a day late after being dicked around for ages, put in a hotel at 2 am then had to be back at the airport at 6 for the replacement aircraft's departure, which was then delayed another 5 hours. He was not impressed, needless to say.

All that aside, they now have a great new fleet and think about this when you decide between Air Chance and Sabena for Paris-NY: TWO EXTRA TAKE-OFFS AND LANDINGS!! Enjoy.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineThe Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Hey Mr. Varig, neither did I! I'm not trying to compare the baggage handling of the two airports, my point was that if you have the chance to save money and try a new carrier, you should't be put of by some perception of baggage problems at BRU, you should give it a try!

User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 895 times:

I would go for variety...especially since the flight to JFK is not that unbearably long....try Sabena, since you already flew with Air France.


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 883 times:

2landig's and 2 take off's for less money what do you want more?
ciao


User currently offlineF+ Rouge From France, joined May 2000, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Nrlcd,

If you take AF/Skyteam you will have the choice between 5 daily direct flights from JFK to CDG that have AF flight numbers. Two are operated by B777 two by B747-400 and one by a Delta B767-300ER (as AF 015).

Furthermore the Frequent Flyer Program Fréquence Plus is very attractive and if you are a Delta Frequent Traveller the miles will be credited there, too.

BRU is a very congested Airport and it happened to me regularly that we had to queue up for up to 30 minutes before take off. So I am afraid that your BRU-CDG flight will be delayed, too. By the way, AF started to operate this route by high speed trains (TGV) with travelling time under 2 hours. I do not know about Sabena, though.

Finally, with a direct flight you can be sure to get your luggage at your destination.

So I strongly recommend AF.

Regards,

F+ Rouge

P.S. If you really want 2 more take offs and landings (which is not really reasonable as it increases overall travelling time by 50 %) you could pass via Lyon. Then you would have a DL 767 and an AF 737.


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 886 times:

F+rouge you will paye big money through lyon.
ciao


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 886 times:

hi, heres a copy of a "trip-report" I posted some time ago:


I recently (september 2000) had the opportunity to compare BA and SN directly. Due to strike in brussels, my SN flight BRU-BOS was changed into LHR-BOS on a BA 777. my trip back was SN on an A330.

BA seats had more legroom and were wider than the SN seats.

No PTV in the SN-Airbus. PTV in BA-Boeing.

Eyepads, toothpaste and brush, slippers and real blanket in BA. Very thin, non-warming blanket with SN. Nothing else.

Food is about taste and therefore partially subjective. I really enjoyed the tasty spicy chicken in BA. I returned half of the pale and greasy SN-veal to the FA.

More objective differences: BA: printed menu SN: FA's mumbling menu immediately before serving. SN: everything except the veal was icy cold (bread, butter, fruit and salad). BA: everything had the right temperature. SN-Breakfast consisted of a gum-like, cold croissant.


FA's were more friendly at BA. This, of course, is a very subjective impression too.

No other differences.


Bottom line: In future, I'd prefer BA over SN. I think the better service is at least woth $100 for a transatlantic trip.

Rabenschlag.





User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 881 times:

excuse me if I misunderstood what you meant,and I fully agree with you when you say that if you can save money and try a new company you should do it...
thank you for your advice:once again,I already went thru BRU and tested SN and was fairly satisfied with their service to africa



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User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 880 times:

Ceilidth,

That old thingy has GOT to be the cheapest shot you can possibly get at an airline.
I've got but one thing to say to that: hearsay, hearsay, hearsay....

What do you mean with 'get a civilized airline'?


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 877 times:

A bit off topic, but I'm tired of the Sabena deathwatch. Just shut down and sell the aircraft already! An inefficient airline with uncooperative and overpaid unions. Sabena can close. The void will be filled by more efficient airlines with better service.

User currently offlineMriihi From Finland, joined Aug 2000, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 870 times:

If you hate flying then take the direct flight, but if u like planes and airports then you might want to take the risk for some possible baggageproblems. If I would be traveling always alone I would change airline all the time.

M


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 867 times:

Don't by so agresive my fiend.
I it's never nice too lose an airlines.
Secoundo SABENA is not doingso badly.
It's just undercapitalized.


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 862 times:

Nrlcd:
Please read in the trip report forum my and Teahan's report.

I like Sabena. They are not top class. But IMO better then BA or AF.


User currently offlineNrlcd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 860 times:

i am sorry, but I cannot seem to find your trip reports in the Trip Report section...could they perhaps be somewhere else?

User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 857 times:

Here you have a link to my short trip report:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/5435/


User currently offlineFraserTeasdale From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 851 times:

I like Sabena, they are one of Europes oldest airlines but are now 49% owned by Swissair and have been for a few years. They are much better than they used to be and have a modern fleet of aircraft. They suffer financially but this is because of Belgian labour laws and strong unions, which is a problem, and one which Sabena is addressing.

Brussels Zaventum Airport is not congested and has more space than any other European airport and has more runways than Heathrow.

Food on board is good, generally French cuisine with bigger portions.

Give them a go, it will not be the best but value for money - I am a bit biased though as I worked for them for 4 years 1988-1991, and enjoyed travelling around on their network. They have a little bit of the old world atmosphere, mingled with New Swissair corporate ethos.

Have fun


User currently offlineAirforum From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 840 times:

My suggestion: fly Sabena before they die!


What goes up, must come down. Let's hope the sky never went up.
25 Nrlcd : ok that really helped me a lot, thank you for that one. fly them before they die. ok, so withint the next couple of decades then? ok i can manage that
26 Ceilidh : Juul - no, not hearsay - personal knowledge. I had to sort out the problems with the lost bookings of two of my colleagues; and despite the fact that
27 Nrlcd : ooh testy--well, I guess I wont be taking your advice too much to heart. no offense, but the last line totally threw away all of your credibility and
28 Ceilidh : Nrlcd - A spend of over US$1m is bloody serious (the losses on the feeder routes plus ticket/cargo costs). If you knew anything at all about SN, you'd
29 Nrlcd : obviously I didnt know anythig about Sabena or else I wouldnt have asked. and again you take away credibility from yourself with the death thing. than
30 We're Nuts : Reading a few posts by Sabenapilot has ruined the airline for me.
31 R347216 : I am a flight attendant who has positioned on both carriers on quite a regualr basis. I agree with Rabenschlag, Air France is the better airline, if n
32 Lumumba : Hi every body. Please calm down you will always find somthing or a problem about an airline. And becaus SABENA has a big African network who is very d
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