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EK's Cost Saving Paperless A380  
User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

The Emirates cost saving drive continues - at least in the back of the airplane. The latest initiative us to make its Airbus A380 superjumbos paperless planes.

Emirates will remove all seat-pocket paper - in-flight magazines, entertainment guides and shopping catalogues - when the giant aircraft go into service in 12 days.

Tim Clark, Emirates’ president, has said that banning paper will lighten the aircraft by a tonne based upon 2kg per seat and 500 seats. This makes up for the tonne of water that will need to be carried for the two first class showers that will be installed (his and hers??) and available by prior booking with the flight purser. Clark, that not so well known environmentalist, also said that Emirates was doing it because of the environment......that probably explains the 10 across seating on the 777s as well......more people on the plane means less planes flying !!

The inflight magazine, duty free and entertainment guides will be replaced by content shown on the aircraft’s seat-back television screens.

Recently the airline has been removing the footrests from all economy class seating; also presumably to save weight.

Clark said Emirates had also begun a project with Airbus to reduce the weight of the A380 by five tonnes by 2012. This would allow the airline to use the plane on extra-long routes, such as nonstop from Dubai to Los Angeles and San Francisco on the US west coast.


AIrbus1

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10944 times:



Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):

The inflight magazine, duty free and entertainment guides will be replaced by content shown on the aircraft’s seat-back television screens.

Foolish move IMO...


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

Thank you for posting this. I am going to email a copy of your article to all my friends who will be on the Dubai-JFK-Dubai launch flights sitting in the 3 different classes.


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10852 times:

Bowel prep the night before could save a kg or so. Y pax volunteering to do so could be offered seats with footrests.
Just my humble contribution to the cause....


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10843 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Foolish move IMO...

I disagree, not only does it save weight, but its easier to keep up to date as well - refresh the content weekly or even daily (think newspaper content etc) at near zero distribution cost.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10822 times:

I'm actually surprised the US carriers don't do this. They should at least get rid of he skymall catalogue. Anyone knows how much the airlines actually earn from having that in the seat pockets?


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10788 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 5):
I'm actually surprised the US carriers don't do this. They should at least get rid of he skymall catalogue.

A lot of U.S. airlines have already done this, along with pillows, blankets, unused galley equippment, extra beverage carts, and just about anything nonessential.

[Edited 2008-07-20 09:32:27]

User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10706 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
A lot of U.S. airlines have already done this, along with pillows, blankets, unused galley equippment, extra beverage carts, and just about anything nonessential.

Revenue?  Wink


User currently offlineCJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10678 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Foolish move IMO...

If most of the passengers are like me when they fly, then I would have to agree with you.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10681 times:

Totally hypocritical considering that they are going to lug a ton / tonne of water or more to facilitate 14 First Class passengers' showers (if you assume all of them will want one and couldn't be bothered to use one in the lounge).

Further, Emirates' true colours about the environment were self-unveiled a few months ago. To champion this 'paperless' flying does not fool me although I admit it will fool most.

I am unimpressed.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5501 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10625 times:



Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):
Clark said Emirates had also begun a project with Airbus to reduce the weight of the A380 by five tonnes by 2012. This would allow the airline to use the plane on extra-long routes, such as nonstop from Dubai to Los Angeles and San Francisco on the US west coast.

So in case I missed it, this would pretty much kill their need for the 748i.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10626 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
I disagree, not only does it save weight, but its easier to keep up to date as well - refresh the content weekly or even daily (think newspaper content etc) at near zero distribution cost.

 checkmark   checkmark  When you think of all the crap ads for Rolex watches and spa hotels that these mags normally contain then it makes sense. The only decent things in the inflight mag is route map / Fleet info and news. They all end up tattered and dog eared anyway. Much better to have it on the IFE. I never use those footrests so thats no loss either. I wonder what will happen if passengers bring their own 2kg of newspapers and magazines onboard with them though ??

The shower is a nice concept IMHO. Its something that will put them ahead of SQ and thier F product. For businessmen it saves them time on the ground after landing. You can shower an hour before landing and get off refreshed.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Let's say one F pax gets in the shower in his inflight PJs, gets in the shower and suddenly some strong turbulence arises. What will they do in that case? Get out of the shower all wet covering up with whatever they can and rush back to their F Suite?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
The shower is a nice concept IMHO. Its something that will put them ahead of SQ and thier F product. For businessmen it saves them time on the ground after landing. You can shower an hour before landing and get off refreshed.




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10549 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Let's say one F pax gets in the shower in his inflight PJs, gets in the shower and suddenly some strong turbulence arises. What will they do in that case? Get out of the shower all wet covering up with whatever they can and rush back to their F Suite?

Whats to say there aren't suitable seating arrangements in the stall? If I remember correctly, some A340-600s have restrooms installed downstairs, and they all have seating with belts outside for those waiting in line.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Good thought, Moo. I am sure they thought of something in case of turbulence in the shower. I am sure I will be getting reports from my two friends in F on what they think about the showers after they get back from the launch flights. Makes 2 showers for 12/14 First Suites.

Quoting Moo (Reply 13):
Whats to say there aren't suitable seating arrangements in the stall?




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10458 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 13):
some A340-600s have restrooms installed downstairs, and they all have seating with belts outside for those waiting in line.

Thats a good idea , didnt know that . I have never yet flown on a 346.

I guess they could have something like this but with a seatbelt on the seat. Maybe even a sauna....maybe when AY get theirs LOL.....



User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

I think this move would have worked in my opinion had they done this in all three classes, but since it is only done in Economy it is rather annoying then. Anyways, is there a source for this information, if not than this is only speculation I guess?

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.


I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6747 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10281 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17):
So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.

I'm not sure whether it's so much better to have an inflight magazine and a shopping catalogue in that case - they might keep one entertained for an hour maybe or less, but not for several hours.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10254 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17):
So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.

You ccould always amuse yourself - seriously, on a 12 hour flight, how long is that magazine in the seat back going to actually keep you amused? I mean, without going to the extreme of rolling it up and hitting people with it.


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

And what about the pleasure of reading a real magazine? It is just not the same to read something in a TV screen than in real paper.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17):
So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.

More importantly, will the aircraft be able to be dispatched if the Safety Cards (in the IFE) are unavailable?


I would underdtand this if they were loosing money, but, come on, they are very, very profitable,


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10213 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
The only decent things in the inflight mag is route map / Fleet info and news

Don't forget the crossword puzzle and Sudoku, if they haven't already been filled out.



EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10203 times:

EK as much as I love em reminds me of the South Park episode with the undwear stealing Gnomes who go.....

Underwear + ? = Profit


UAL


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10174 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
EK as much as I love em reminds me of the South Park episode with the undwear stealing Gnomes who go.....

Underwear + ? = Profit

Only EK seems to have figured out the '?' part  Smile


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

That seatbelt idea in the lav sounds like a pretty good idea, especially when I take the inflight magazine to the lav for about 30 minutes to do "business". Just kidding.


EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
25 BEYauty : Regardless of whether their supposed environmental conscientiousness is legitimate, I think saving a ton of paper per plane alone, is an incredible co
26 Emirates2005 : Well, for whatever it's worth, I think it is a great idea. Just consider the amount of trees that go into a single print for over a hundred planes tha
27 Lightsaber : I've posted before how weight is the enemy of all airframes. Now, one ton on the A380 isn't a lot, but why not? I never read the stuff. Its a waste of
28 Osiris30 : Well let's say there's a crossword, soduko, etc.. I can maybe at least get a couple hours out of it.. sure it's only 16% of a long flight, but take o
29 Ronerone : I agree with you here. Yes the majority of seats are in Y, but it would make more sense if this was implemented in all three classes. Even more so, w
30 HomaDreaming : Good idea, I doubt they are concerned for the environment tho... Emirates and Green just dont go in the same sentence, unless i But it will save trees
31 DfwRevolution : They aren't going "paperless" to save the Earth oh resident Algoreite. They are trying to save money and thereby increase profits. What is another wa
32 OA260 : Im sure they will have an IFE version of those with alot more puzzles to enjoy...
33 Luv2fly : It also will save time and work of checking and filling seat back pockets.
34 Mowtoib :
35 Osiris30 : The point here was in case of IFE failure..
36 Soxfan : I'm assuming they're still keeping the air-sickness bags in the seatback pockets...yes, it's still paper, but it sure beats the costs of cleaning up t
37 Dabth747 : I thought that was a safety thing something abt the groomers not putting them all up and a few ppl hur themselves since the seating in Y is so tight
38 Meta : Sometimes IFE remotes are too complicated for average passengers, and so they have to look in the magazine or entertainment guide for instructions of
39 Danfearn77 : I totally agree. There just mags pluggin some crap that no one will ever need, or to buy snacks which usually require you to take a loan out before h
40 OA260 : Many LCC have none and they manage ok .
41 Meta : Wow. I didn't know that. I've been on many flights where those bags are used. I can't imagine those flights without one.
42 AirbusA6 : I flick through the magazines, usually looking at the fleet information and route maps, then shove it back in the pocket and wonder how much knee room
43 Pylon101 : Right move IMHO. These so-called cataloges and magazins are senseless. And usually feel sleezy after touching by many people. Agree that maps and flee
44 Ssides : I for one agree with eliminating newspapers. Few if any US carriers provide them anymore, and they are nothing but a hassle and provide little to the
45 Eghansen : Back in the 1920's, airplanes flew with wicker seats. Maybe that will be next if they don't leave marks on one's bum. That's just so the economy pass
46 Hypersonic : So they remove all the mags from the 'pleb' class.. The weight saved is then offset against the tonne of water needed so that the 1st class can have a
47 Ncfc99 : The 20 pax that travel in 1st provide more revenue per square foot of floor space than the 350 in economy. 350pax x 100kg per person including bags (
48 Halophila : Here's hoping they're not going totally paperless. Unless of course they've invented some kind of hypersonic toilet paper-replacement. The three shell
49 KissK : ...............its just using technology.....
50 Dalavia : Just a few thoughts: 1. Will the vomit bags disappear? If so, that could be false economy no matter how smooth the A380 is. 2. The IFE system is usual
51 Moo : People have mentioned vomit bags several times, but its not an issue - instead of having one in each seat back, you have a centralised collection tha
52 Dalavia : I think that when these bags are needed, they are needed VERY urgently. I wonder how long the average time is for F/As to respond to those call butto
53 PlunaCRJ : Specially during strong turbulence, when those things are needed most.
54 7cubed : This is what I thought of when I read the title. How much does a roll of t.p. weigh? If fuel goes up anymore perhaps he can start "AirNude". Look at
55 AirNZ : I'm afraid we're really clutching at straws when starting to measure revenue per square foot of floor space......but I suppose anything to make such
56 Ncfc99 : Why is it clutching at straws? Please can you give some more information? These are genuine questions in an effort to learn something. I am not in th
57 Fly-K : Very valid point. Similarly, to have a printed IFE guide is helpful when watching a program and deciding whether to switch to some other, without hav
58 Dalavia : Also an excellent point. EK's brilliant IFE has 999 options, and the booklet in the seat pocket is essential for navigating through it all. At the ve
59 Alianza : A water-less toilet was invented some years ago. I think it uses an electric element to disintegrate the waste...with little or no smell. I remember
60 Ikramerica : I find it funny that everyone is debating the merits of the cheap skating, but once again everyone is taking their PR at face value. Here's what I mea
61 CJAContinental : As far as the effects of turbulence goes regarding the use of showers, it will depend on the frequency and severity of turbulence experienced on A380
62 Scbriml : If EK really needed the 748i, wouldn't they have ordered it by now? Especially as they do have 748Fs on order.
63 DfwRevolution : You could have said the same thing about AC regarding the 777 back in Oct 2005. They had the A340 and the 777 had been on the market for 15 years. Su
64 Myt332 : Like other people have said, if you have long legs then foot rests in economy are useless and actually reduce the amount of leg room! Well I can do o
65 Philzh : I think doing away with the printed fluff is actually quite a good idea, since the moment I'm opening the Inflight magazine (of any airline) is usuall
66 Gr8Circle : I think it's a very sensible move and one that all airlines should follow...what's the use of all those screens and the expensive systems installed t
67 Halophila : Errr... disposal of waste is one thing, ummm ahhh... how do I put this... ensuring the sanitary removal of fecal matters from areas on the human body
68 Nicholaschee : This is on the IFE iirc.
69 MadameConcorde : It’ll be interesting to see if the showers are used, trouble is all F will want them when they wake up and there are only 2! May be they have a lott
70 FlyEmirates : Bookings will be taken for 10 minute slots in advance - no last minute showers before landing Two 'cabin grooming' officers will be sent with each fl
71 Airbus3801 : And I wonder how this 10 minute rule will be enforced, I doubt the water just shuts off after ten minutes. People are going to go over the time, I me
72 Moo : There is lots of waste heat involved in an airliner, such as bleed air for cabin pressurization - this needs to be cooled prior to use, and at the mo
73 Airbus3801 : Is EK going to somehow use this "bleed air" to heat the water? I still wonder though if these showers are fully booked, if there is going to be enoug
74 Moo : I don't know, I'm not an EK cabin designer or integrator. I would be surprised if they were heating the water some other way when there is heat going
75 Flybyguy : 18-19 hours on a plane with no footrest and 10 across would make for a very uncomfortable flight. I figure a couple showers for F passengers are wort
76 Gr8Circle : Maybe they can introduce a system which automatically opens the door when the passenger's alloted time is up....that would ensure each pax gets out i
77 Philzh : Quite probably, true, but not necessarily, actually... I could also think of other scenarios here Anyway, I wonder how EK will handle usage of those
78 Post contains links Moo : Seems the question of the showers has been answered - http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...re-extra-500kg-of-water-clark.html
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