Airbus1 From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2001, 71 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9213 times:
The Emirates cost saving drive continues - at least in the back of the airplane. The latest initiative us to make its Airbus A380 superjumbos paperless planes.
Emirates will remove all seat-pocket paper - in-flight magazines, entertainment guides and shopping catalogues - when the giant aircraft go into service in 12 days.
Tim Clark, Emirates’ president, has said that banning paper will lighten the aircraft by a tonne based upon 2kg per seat and 500 seats. This makes up for the tonne of water that will need to be carried for the two first class showers that will be installed (his and hers??) and available by prior booking with the flight purser. Clark, that not so well known environmentalist, also said that Emirates was doing it because of the environment......that probably explains the 10 across seating on the 777s as well......more people on the plane means less planes flying !!
The inflight magazine, duty free and entertainment guides will be replaced by content shown on the aircraft’s seat-back television screens.
Recently the airline has been removing the footrests from all economy class seating; also presumably to save weight.
Clark said Emirates had also begun a project with Airbus to reduce the weight of the A380 by five tonnes by 2012. This would allow the airline to use the plane on extra-long routes, such as nonstop from Dubai to Los Angeles and San Francisco on the US west coast.
Vasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2503 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9197 times:
Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):
The inflight magazine, duty free and entertainment guides will be replaced by content shown on the aircraft’s seat-back television screens.
MadameConcorde From Tuvalu, joined Feb 2007, 1921 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9192 times:
Thank you for posting this. I am going to email a copy of your article to all my friends who will be on the Dubai-JFK-Dubai launch flights sitting in the 3 different classes.
There was a better way to fly. It was called Concorde.
Comorin From United States, joined May 2005, 1785 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9105 times:
Bowel prep the night before could save a kg or so. Y pax volunteering to do so could be offered seats with footrests.
Just my humble contribution to the cause....
I disagree, not only does it save weight, but its easier to keep up to date as well - refresh the content weekly or even daily (think newspaper content etc) at near zero distribution cost.
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1010 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9075 times:
I'm actually surprised the US carriers don't do this. They should at least get rid of he skymall catalogue. Anyone knows how much the airlines actually earn from having that in the seat pockets?
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DfwRevolution From United States, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 53 Reply 6, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9041 times:
Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 5): I'm actually surprised the US carriers don't do this. They should at least get rid of he skymall catalogue.
A lot of U.S. airlines have already done this, along with pillows, blankets, unused galley equippment, extra beverage carts, and just about anything nonessential.
Moo From Falkland Islands (Malvinas), joined May 2007, 2376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8959 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6): A lot of U.S. airlines have already done this, along with pillows, blankets, unused galley equippment, extra beverage carts, and just about anything nonessential.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13222 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8934 times:
Totally hypocritical considering that they are going to lug a ton / tonne of water or more to facilitate 14 First Class passengers' showers (if you assume all of them will want one and couldn't be bothered to use one in the lounge).
Further, Emirates' true colours about the environment were self-unveiled a few months ago. To champion this 'paperless' flying does not fool me although I admit it will fool most.
PlanesNTrains From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1631 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8878 times:
Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter): Clark said Emirates had also begun a project with Airbus to reduce the weight of the A380 by five tonnes by 2012. This would allow the airline to use the plane on extra-long routes, such as nonstop from Dubai to Los Angeles and San Francisco on the US west coast.
So in case I missed it, this would pretty much kill their need for the 748i.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 9905 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8879 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 4): I disagree, not only does it save weight, but its easier to keep up to date as well - refresh the content weekly or even daily (think newspaper content etc) at near zero distribution cost.
When you think of all the crap ads for Rolex watches and spa hotels that these mags normally contain then it makes sense. The only decent things in the inflight mag is route map / Fleet info and news. They all end up tattered and dog eared anyway. Much better to have it on the IFE. I never use those footrests so thats no loss either. I wonder what will happen if passengers bring their own 2kg of newspapers and magazines onboard with them though ??
The shower is a nice concept IMHO. Its something that will put them ahead of SQ and thier F product. For businessmen it saves them time on the ground after landing. You can shower an hour before landing and get off refreshed.
MadameConcorde From Tuvalu, joined Feb 2007, 1921 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8833 times:
Let's say one F pax gets in the shower in his inflight PJs, gets in the shower and suddenly some strong turbulence arises. What will they do in that case? Get out of the shower all wet covering up with whatever they can and rush back to their F Suite?
Quoting OA260 (Reply 11): The shower is a nice concept IMHO. Its something that will put them ahead of SQ and thier F product. For businessmen it saves them time on the ground after landing. You can shower an hour before landing and get off refreshed.
There was a better way to fly. It was called Concorde.
Moo From Falkland Islands (Malvinas), joined May 2007, 2376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8802 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12): Let's say one F pax gets in the shower in his inflight PJs, gets in the shower and suddenly some strong turbulence arises. What will they do in that case? Get out of the shower all wet covering up with whatever they can and rush back to their F Suite?
Whats to say there aren't suitable seating arrangements in the stall? If I remember correctly, some A340-600s have restrooms installed downstairs, and they all have seating with belts outside for those waiting in line.
MadameConcorde From Tuvalu, joined Feb 2007, 1921 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8740 times:
Good thought, Moo. I am sure they thought of something in case of turbulence in the shower. I am sure I will be getting reports from my two friends in F on what they think about the showers after they get back from the launch flights. Makes 2 showers for 12/14 First Suites.
Quoting Moo (Reply 13): Whats to say there aren't suitable seating arrangements in the stall?
There was a better way to fly. It was called Concorde.
Ag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1073 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8687 times:
I think this move would have worked in my opinion had they done this in all three classes, but since it is only done in Economy it is rather annoying then. Anyways, is there a source for this information, if not than this is only speculation I guess?
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 2436 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8563 times:
So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 2322 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8534 times:
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17): So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.
I'm not sure whether it's so much better to have an inflight magazine and a shopping catalogue in that case - they might keep one entertained for an hour maybe or less, but not for several hours.
Moo From Falkland Islands (Malvinas), joined May 2007, 2376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8507 times:
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17): So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.
You ccould always amuse yourself - seriously, on a 12 hour flight, how long is that magazine in the seat back going to actually keep you amused? I mean, without going to the extreme of rolling it up and hitting people with it.
PlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8488 times:
And what about the pleasure of reading a real magazine? It is just not the same to read something in a TV screen than in real paper.
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17): So if the IFE goes tits (which happens far too often these days it would seem for all carriers), I get to do......... oh that's right.. NOTHING.. marvelous.
More importantly, will the aircraft be able to be dispatched if the Safety Cards (in the IFE) are unavailable?
I would underdtand this if they were loosing money, but, come on, they are very, very profitable,
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