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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 708 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Sorry if this has already been asked, but are there any news that once NW/DL merge, their routes from NRT to SPN etc will be axed? How about HNL-NRT/KIX?

Is DL going to keep the 332's and 757's in NRT for the asian flights if they do continue?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2849 times:



Quoting Ben175 (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has already been asked, but are there any news that once NW/DL merge, their routes from NRT to SPN etc will be axed? How about HNL-NRT/KIX?

They could very well be cut - anecdotal evidence is that there is a decent bit of consolidator fare traffic on these beach routes, which aren't too great for profit margins. Thus, it's quite possible that the planes and the NRT slots could be put to more profitable uses - the NRT A330s going to ATL/JFK to upgauge the 767-300 ERs on some routes, while NRT slots going to other markets such as JFK, SLC (possible once the 787 comes online) and potentially additional flights to some other cities.


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Will be interesting to see if DL ups the amount of flights betewwn HNL & Japan ... It would be the only reason to keep the 744s in service ... the Japan - US routes, as a whole.


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 2):
It would be the only reason to keep the 744s in service ... the Japan - US routes, as a whole.

There are quite a few other, non NRT routes that the 744 will be used on, some of which will surprise a few but make perfect sense to DL.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 2):
Will be interesting to see if DL ups the amount of flights betewwn HNL & Japan

If anything, the Hawaii-Japan routes will be reduced, not increased. I doubt they're going to be going after the beach market traffic when they can be chasing much higher-yielding business traffic.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

It is DL....if we look at what they did in the past they will just pull down Asia right? I mean...its only Asia.

NW may not make a huge profit on their HNL-NRT routes or their NRT/NGO/KIX-SPN/GUM routes but they connect. Right now NW is connecting pax from Asia to HNL via NRT. If you want to get to GUM right now your choices are via HNL or NRT/KIX/NGO. That is it. If you want to get to SPN you choices are via GUM/HNL or NRT/KIX/NGO. Most of the flights are operated by Continental Micronesia or Northwest. NH has pulled out of SPN and GUM and JL has cut them to almost nothing.

You would be amazed how many people transfer from DTW-NGO to NGO-SPN and NGO-GUM. These are people from the US not from Japan. These may not be the most profitable places but they are in demand not only for people but Cargo. Most of NW's SPN flights are operated with 757-200s. The GUM flights are A333s operated between other international flights. So example instead of overnighting at NRT, they fly it to GUM and then back the next morning to make it back to the US on NRT-SEA or NRT-HNL where it can be rotated to KIX or to MSP and back to Europe.

I bet after the merger we will see these continue.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2537 times:



Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 2):
Will be interesting to see if DL ups the amount of flights betewwn HNL & Japan ... It would be the only reason to keep the 744s in service ... the Japan - US routes, as a whole.



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 3):
There are quite a few other, non NRT routes that the 744 will be used on, some of which will surprise a few but make perfect sense to DL

There has been talk of the following services:

HNL-CTS
HNL-FUK
HNL-KIX
HNL-NGO
HNL-NRT

If talk is true the 747-400 will be withdrawn from the Honolulu market in place of the capacity spread on multiple Japanese gateways (new and existing) from the Hawaiian market using the 767-300 in place of the 747-400 and A330 equipment on those current routes.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2438 times:

How will the DL takeover affect NW's Asia operations out of NRT/NGO, such as BKK, SIN and MNL?


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User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2278 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
NH has pulled out of SPN and GUM

NH still has a KIX-GUM flight.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
JL has cut them to almost nothing.

There's at least 2 747 flights in the afternoon and 1 or 2 767 flights in the morning. Not really 'almost nothing' even if CS and NW operate the 764/738 and A333/752.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2259 times:



Quoting Ben175 (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has already been asked, but are there any news that once NW/DL merge, their routes from NRT to SPN etc will be axed? How about HNL-NRT/KIX?

No one here knows.

Quoting Ben175 (Thread starter):
Is DL going to keep the 332's and 757's in NRT for the asian flights if they do continue?

Again, no one here possesses that knowledge.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2087 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
If anything, the Hawaii-Japan routes will be reduced, not increased. I doubt they're going to be going after the beach market traffic when they can be chasing much higher-yielding business traffic.

Higher yielding business traffic is the biggest myth of the airline industry. I bet you, business class seats, per square footage of space occupied and taking into consideration all the extra services demanded by the business traveller, is one of the least profitable segment of the business. Most profitable airlines in the world have a very large component of leisure travellers.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6500 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1974 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 10):



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 10):
Higher yielding business traffic is the biggest myth of the airline industry. I bet you, business class seats, per square footage of space occupied and taking into consideration all the extra services demanded by the business traveller, is one of the least profitable segment of the business. Most profitable airlines in the world have a very large component of leisure travellers.

So you are right and all the worlds airlines are wrong. I have never heard of an airline not seeking the business traveler. I know you will mention WN, but be assured that WN actively seeks business travelers.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1961 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 10):
Higher yielding business traffic is the biggest myth of the airline industry. I bet you, business class seats, per square footage of space occupied and taking into consideration all the extra services demanded by the business traveller, is one of the least profitable segment of the business. Most profitable airlines in the world have a very large component of leisure travellers

 boggled 


Why?

I dont think Singapore Airlines is switching the A345 from LAX-SIN and EWR-SIN to attract Economy Class traffic. The list is 10 miles long after this as to why C/J trumps Y yields.


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