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F9 Q1 2008 Network And Hub Performance  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

The following are the routes operated in F9's domestic network, for Q1 2008. (The data was released Tuesday). The ranking mechanism is revenue per available seat mile (RASM).

All data from PAXstats Beta 3, which sources the DOT's Form 41/T-100 and DB1B databases.

Rnk..Route …. Sys Rev/Dep … Seg Rev/Dep .. Seg RASM …. Tkt Yield …. Contrib Yield …. LF
1 .. GJT-DEN ….. $6,755.98 ….. $1,323.52 ….. $0.32858 ….. $0.26007 ….. $0.23419 ….. 69.02%
2 .. SLC-DEN ….. $32,120.18 ….. $8,727.03 ….. $0.16976 ….. $0.14127 ….. $0.12657 ….. 82.78%
3 .. ELP-DEN ….. $13,936.91 ….. $6,918.94 ….. $0.16607 ….. $0.20897 ….. $0.19168 ….. 72.21%
4 .. DEN-ABQ ….. $11,733.05 ….. $4,178.23 ….. $0.16153 ….. $0.17157 ….. $0.14762 ….. 66.52%
5 .. MEM-FLL ….. $30,871.02 ….. $17,173.34 ….. $0.15135 ….. $0.14501 ….. $0.12690 ….. 92.50%
6 .. OMA-DEN ….. $17,261.44 ….. $5,959.14 ….. $0.14575 ….. $0.15454 ….. $0.13702 ….. 71.45%
7 .. PHX-DEN ….. $26,413.94 ….. $10,656.80 ….. $0.14179 ….. $0.14454 ….. $0.13001 ….. 81.88%
8 .. MSP-DEN ….. $30,657.60 ….. $11,373.85 ….. $0.13588 ….. $0.14816 ….. $0.13822 ….. 80.53%
9 .. TUS-DEN ….. $24,494.55 ….. $9,958.64 ….. $0.13437 ….. $0.15091 ….. $0.13841 ….. 77.29%
10 .. DFW-DEN ….. $26,082.30 ….. $10,996.28 ….. $0.13375 ….. $0.16925 ….. $0.15770 ….. 71.09%
11 .. DEN-BOI ….. $20,325.67 ….. $6,316.40 ….. $0.12977 ….. $0.13555 ….. $0.12658 ….. 80.68%
12 .. LAS-DEN ….. $27,581.79 ….. $10,673.23 ….. $0.12941 ….. $0.13608 ….. $0.12445 ….. 81.02%
13 .. STL-DEN ….. $26,609.95 ….. $11,514.56 ….. $0.11673 ….. $0.14971 ….. $0.14066 ….. 71.40%
14 .. DEN-AUS ….. $27,020.85 ….. $11,855.24 ….. $0.11617 ….. $0.14245 ….. $0.13464 ….. 75.50%
15 .. MCI-DEN ….. $21,507.70 ….. $8,132.50 ….. $0.11440 ….. $0.14859 ….. $0.13640 ….. 65.67%
16 .. TUL-DEN ….. $10,673.92 ….. $4,633.44 ….. $0.11419 ….. $0.19289 ….. $0.17440 ….. 51.02%
17 .. IAH-DEN ….. $23,905.89 ….. $10,260.52 ….. $0.11348 ….. $0.13119 ….. $0.12845 ….. 84.05%
18 .. LIT-DEN ….. $15,046.61 ….. $6,283.68 ….. $0.10881 ….. $0.15043 ….. $0.14289 ….. 67.02%
19 .. GEG-DEN ….. $21,547.50 ….. $7,314.35 ….. $0.10857 ….. $0.12437 ….. $0.11846 ….. 78.81%
20 .. LAX-DEN ….. $28,907.75 ….. $11,661.55 ….. $0.10590 ….. $0.11490 ….. $0.10674 ….. 81.74%
21 .. SAT-DEN ….. $25,555.76 ….. $10,356.96 ….. $0.10426 ….. $0.13622 ….. $0.12846 ….. 69.74%
22 .. SAN-DEN ….. $27,410.55 ….. $10,980.79 ….. $0.10349 ….. $0.12023 ….. $0.11208 ….. 76.70%
23 .. MKE-DEN ….. $31,053.01 ….. $11,665.62 ….. $0.10260 ….. $0.12228 ….. $0.11869 ….. 79.69%
24 .. SNA-DEN ….. $27,523.92 ….. $11,412.61 ….. $0.10136 ….. $0.12716 ….. $0.11892 ….. 71.90%
25 .. DEN-DCA ….. $43,358.79 ….. $20,465.68 ….. $0.09775 ….. $0.11407 ….. $0.11394 ….. 85.58%
26 .. PDX-DEN ….. $34,572.89 ….. $12,526.24 ….. $0.09638 ….. $0.10674 ….. $0.10315 ….. 84.76%
27 .. DTW-DEN ….. $33,174.79 ….. $13,293.43 ….. $0.09326 ….. $0.11096 ….. $0.10862 ….. 81.35%
28 .. SMF-DEN ….. $28,918.70 ….. $10,277.36 ….. $0.09270 ….. $0.10953 ….. $0.10326 ….. 75.33%
29 .. RSW-DEN ….. $42,048.48 ….. $19,718.28 ….. $0.09231 ….. $0.10283 ….. $0.10423 ….. 91.14%
30 .. IND-DEN ….. $28,225.36 ….. $11,034.45 ….. $0.09169 ….. $0.11432 ….. $0.11028 ….. 75.62%
31 .. DEN-BTR ….. $15,440.92 ….. $6,803.72 ….. $0.09099 ….. $0.14415 ….. $0.14216 ….. 61.99%
32 .. DEN-BNA ….. $27,550.98 ….. $11,546.02 ….. $0.08904 ….. $0.11293 ….. $0.10977 ….. 75.70%
33 .. MCO-DEN ….. $39,576.40 ….. $18,148.01 ….. $0.08813 ….. $0.09825 ….. $0.09976 ….. 91.29%
34 .. MEM-MCO ….. $14,962.95 ….. $7,940.77 ….. $0.08808 ….. $0.13576 ….. $0.13378 ….. 64.03%
35 .. MEM-DEN ….. $16,866.75 ….. $6,192.12 ….. $0.08719 ….. $0.12706 ….. $0.12398 ….. 65.68%
36 .. DEN-DAY ….. $28,376.66 ….. $11,904.70 ….. $0.08706 ….. $0.11793 ….. $0.11659 ….. 72.65%
37 .. DEN-ATL ….. $33,234.25 ….. $13,645.62 ….. $0.08675 ….. $0.11275 ….. $0.11307 ….. 77.25%
38 .. SFO-DEN ….. $26,679.47 ….. $10,258.81 ….. $0.08511 ….. $0.10771 ….. $0.10276 ….. 72.93%
39 .. SJC-DEN ….. $24,314.14 ….. $9,702.44 ….. $0.08461 ….. $0.11231 ….. $0.10617 ….. 68.77%
40 .. TPA-DEN ….. $35,949.91 ….. $16,868.64 ….. $0.08408 ….. $0.09678 ….. $0.09761 ….. 87.71%
41 .. FLL-DEN ….. $37,151.43 ….. $19,055.55 ….. $0.08378 ….. $0.09732 ….. $0.09782 ….. 86.51%
42 .. SDF-DEN ….. $26,934.56 ….. $11,071.21 ….. $0.08340 ….. $0.11899 ….. $0.11515 ….. 66.74%
43 .. MDW-DEN ….. $21,168.98 ….. $9,230.29 ….. $0.08330 ….. $0.11529 ….. $0.11333 ….. 70.64%
44 .. SEA-DEN ….. $31,798.61 ….. $11,379.50 ….. $0.08320 ….. $0.09773 ….. $0.09563 ….. 81.77%
45 .. DEN-CAK ….. $29,638.27 ….. $12,207.46 ….. $0.08031 ….. $0.10615 ….. $0.10688 ….. 76.39%
46 .. LGA-DEN ….. $33,957.23 ….. $16,861.64 ….. $0.07678 ….. $0.09703 ….. $0.09630 ….. 78.52%
47 .. PHL-DEN ….. $33,718.74 ….. $15,545.11 ….. $0.07495 ….. $0.09019 ….. $0.08968 ….. 82.56%
48 .. JAX-DEN ….. $28,666.14 ….. $13,035.79 ….. $0.06790 ….. $0.09266 ….. $0.09380 ….. 74.36%
49 .. PBI-DEN ….. $28,195.43 ….. $13,392.11 ….. $0.05987 ….. $0.08307 ….. $0.08560 ….. 74.43%
50 .. DEN-BDL ….. $27,208.65 ….. $12,481.29 ….. $0.05628 ….. $0.08762 ….. $0.09048 ….. 66.62%

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Here's a breakdown of what each column in the table means:

System Revenue/Departure is the total amount of revenue from each itinerary that this segment is a part of, including previous and upcoming connections, as well as same itinerary return trips.

Segment Revenue/Departure is the prorated amount of revenue from each itinerary that this segment is a part of, using the root of the miles method.

Tkt Yield is the quotient of the System Revenue and Total Itinerary Miles.

Contrib Yield is quotient of the Segment Revenue and Total Segment Miles.

LF is Load Factor for the segment, as a percentage of seats filled.

[Edited 2008-07-20 19:34:31]

35 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Wow. OKC-DEN is not even on that list. If it's really that bad, I'm amazed we still have service.

User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4049 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
Wow. OKC-DEN is not even on that list. If it's really that bad, I'm amazed we still have service.

When I looked into it (just now, thanks for bringing it up.  Smile ) It appears as if F9 didn't report correctly in their T100s. They reported OKC-DEN but not DEN-OKC, thus the reason it didn't show. By counts alone, I believe that there are five such markets.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

It's interesting to look at the bottom 10 cities (BDL, PBI, JAX, PHL, LGA, CAK, SEA, MDW, SDF, and FLL). You have 4 cities with WN service (PHL, SEA, MDW, and FLL) and 6 without.

Compare with the top 10 cities ex-DEN (GJT, SLC, ELP, ABQ, OMA, PHX, MSP, DFW, BOI, and LAS). There, you have 5 cities with WN service (and DFW, which WN targets with the DAL-AMA-DEN flights). The next 3 cities on the list (STL, MCI, and AUS) are also WN cities. It seems like WN isn't impacting F9 in any uniform way, and I suspect we might see DEN-BOI on WN before too long.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3785 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
It's interesting to look at the bottom 10 cities (BDL, PBI, JAX, PHL, LGA, CAK, SEA, MDW, SDF, and FLL). You have 4 cities with WN service (PHL, SEA, MDW, and FLL) and 6 without.

Don't JAX, SDF, and BDL all have WN service?


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I find it interesting that the #5 flight is not a DEN flight (MEM-FLL).

User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3675 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
It's interesting to look at the bottom 10 cities (BDL, PBI, JAX, PHL, LGA, CAK, SEA, MDW, SDF, and FLL). You have 4 cities with WN service (PHL, SEA, MDW, and FLL) and 6 without.



Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
Don't JAX, SDF, and BDL all have WN service?

Yes, and so does PBI!



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3644 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
When I looked into it (just now, thanks for bringing it up. Smile ) It appears as if F9 didn't report correctly in their T100s. They reported OKC-DEN but not DEN-OKC, thus the reason it didn't show. By counts alone, I believe that there are five such markets.

It was probably on Republic. The one-way flight is probably a diversion or charter.


User currently offlineCOTPARampGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

I'm not surprised to see the Yield so high for the TPA-DEN flight. That flight is full almost every night.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3499 times:

Surprised to see LGA so poor. NYC is underserved from DEN. Well if oil was $40, F9 would be raking in $$$ at these RASMs. Surprised to that SLC is so strong and likely profitable with 3 other airlines flying it.

DCA is a bit disappointing


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3475 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
5 .. MEM-FLL ….. $30,871.02 ….. $17,173.34 ….. $0.15135 ….. $0.14501 ….. $0.12690 ….. 92.50%

I don't know how many flights this period covered, but it looks like MEM-FLL was a lot better than people thought. 93% LF!

I think this data is hard to use without adjustment for stage or cost. All of those statistics (except LF) can't be graded without that piece of info. The yield on short flights is automatically high, for example. It doesn't mean they are profitable.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Wow, SLC is doing a lot better than I would have imagined. I was concerned that the route might get the axe in bankruptcy but this makes me feel that it will not be cut anytime soon.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Unless I missed it I don't see DEN-ANC or ANC-DEN is that data available?

I'm have a hunch it's because ANC is not a lower 48, destination, the data may be hiding elsewhere.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26147 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3341 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
Surprised to see LGA so poor. NYC is underserved from DEN.

LGA is crap for F9 as the carrier must basically compete with every airline in the nation for either DEN-XXX-NYC or XXX-DEN-NYC passengers and match the cheapo $300 transcon fares.

Additionaly the premium business travellers really dont look for F9 and instead opt for the UAs of the world.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 12):

Unless I missed it I don't see DEN-ANC or ANC-DEN is that data available?

I'm have a hunch it's because ANC is not a lower 48, destination, the data may be hiding elsewhere.

No these numbers were for Q1 when ANC did not operate.



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User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Gent;

These numbers are for January thru March 2007.



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Why is F9 keeping FLL but cutting RSW from DEN even though RSW has a higher RASM and LF than FLL?

User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 646 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
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Any idea why F9 decided to cut some of its MSP-DEN service with it being such a high RASM and LF flight?

I was booked on it for August and they made me move to a later flight because they cut one of their dailies. I wasn't too thrilled (especially since they now couldn't give me a seat on the "very booked" later flight. Go figure).


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3115 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 7):
It was probably on Republic. The one-way flight is probably a diversion or charter.

I believe that is correct. They had switched to all ERJs in like December and did that through Q1 before going back all A319/318s.


User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3076 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 15):
Why is F9 keeping FLL but cutting RSW from DEN even though RSW has a higher RASM and LF than FLL?

I have a feeling that the FLL - MEM - DEN flight is not being calculated correctly. That flight was a through flight. The loads on FLL - DEN are pretty high.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3038 times:
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Quoting Petteri (Reply 18):
That flight was a through flight. The loads on FLL - DEN are pretty high.

I suspect that is true. The MEM-MCO l/f may be down because, from memory, by that time the airline had introduced the 2nd daily, which left at 7 am and had no feed from DEN.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 16):
Any idea why F9 decided to cut some of its MSP-DEN service with it being such a high RASM and LF flight?

Just a guess, but probably preparation for the Fall schedule?

In some past years, Frontier has copped some strange flack for introducing a number of the Fall reductions in late August rather than waiting until the first week in September.

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User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3012 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
It's interesting to look at the bottom 10 cities (BDL, PBI, JAX, PHL, LGA, CAK, SEA, MDW, SDF, and FLL). You have 4 cities with WN service (PHL, SEA, MDW, and FLL) and 6 without.

WN is getting KILLED on their SEA-DEN route. They're averaging a LF around 40%. AS, UA, and F9 are dominating WN on that route.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7691 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2982 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 15):
Why is F9 keeping FLL but cutting RSW from DEN even though RSW has a higher RASM and LF than FLL?

I think this is another example (of many I have cited) where they are dropping all the non-WN routes to focus all their energies on WN. I think it is a dumb strategy. They keep the worse routes just because they don't want to show weakness to WN by dropping one of their routes. That bit of hubris will be the death of them.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 16):
Any idea why F9 decided to cut some of its MSP-DEN service with it being such a high RASM and LF flight?

This is another example of where they are burning everything else to keep on fighting WN.

Here is the same data adjusted for stage to a standard 750 mile trip length. It is sorted by comparable performance. Best at the top. Notice that WN is not present in the top 4 markets. TUS/DFW/BOI/IAH (WN @ HOU) are closely behind which are also non-WN markets. I forget what WN flew from DEN in 1Q so there may be more. Point being that F9 does best in the non-WN markets.

ELP-DEN 16.60 RASM 14.41 AdjRASM 0565 Miles 72.21% LF
DEN-DCA 09.77 RASM 13.70 AdjRASM 1474 Miles 85.58% LF
RSW-DEN 09.23 RASM 13.51 AdjRASM 1607 Miles 91.14% LF
MSP-DEN 13.58 RASM 12.93 AdjRASM 0680 Miles 80.41% LF
PHX-DEN 14.17 RASM 12.70 AdjRASM 0602 Miles 81.88% LF
MCO-DEN 08.81 RASM 12.64 AdjRASM 1545 Miles 91.29% LF
FLL-DEN 08.37 RASM 12.61 AdjRASM 1703 Miles 86.35% LF
TUS-DEN 13.43 RASM 12.41 AdjRASM 0640 Miles 77.21% LF
DFW-DEN 13.37 RASM 12.37 AdjRASM 0642 Miles 71.13% LF
SLC-DEN 16.97 RASM 12.24 AdjRASM 0390 Miles 82.79% LF
IAH-DEN 11.34 RASM 12.16 AdjRASM 0863 Miles 84.29% LF
DEN-BOI 12.97 RASM 12.07 AdjRASM 0649 Miles 79.42% LF
TPA-DEN 08.40 RASM 11.91 AdjRASM 1507 Miles 87.71% LF
LAS-DEN 12.94 RASM 11.84 AdjRASM 0628 Miles 81.02% LF
STL-DEN 11.67 RASM 11.82 AdjRASM 0769 Miles 71.40% LF
DEN-AUS 11.61 RASM 11.76 AdjRASM 0769 Miles 75.46% LF
OMA-DEN 14.57 RASM 11.55 AdjRASM 0471 Miles 71.61% LF
GEG-DEN 10.85 RASM 11.46 AdjRASM 0836 Miles 78.35% LF
DTW-DEN 09.32 RASM 11.39 AdjRASM 1121 Miles 81.35% LF
LAX-DEN 10.59 RASM 11.35 AdjRASM 0862 Miles 81.74% LF
LGA-DEN 07.67 RASM 11.26 AdjRASM 1617 Miles 78.52% LF
MKE-DEN 10.26 RASM 11.20 AdjRASM 0894 Miles 79.69% LF
PDX-DEN 09.63 RASM 11.07 AdjRASM 0991 Miles 84.73% LF
DEN-ABQ 16.15 RASM 11.03 AdjRASM 0350 Miles 66.06% LF
SAN-DEN 10.34 RASM 11.03 AdjRASM 0853 Miles 76.70% LF
LIT-DEN 10.88 RASM 11.02 AdjRASM 0770 Miles 67.02% LF
DEN-ATL 08.67 RASM 10.96 AdjRASM 1198 Miles 77.21% LF
PHL-DEN 07.49 RASM 10.78 AdjRASM 1555 Miles 82.34% LF
SNA-DEN 10.13 RASM 10.76 AdjRASM 0846 Miles 71.90% LF
SAT-DEN 10.42 RASM 10.73 AdjRASM 0796 Miles 69.74% LF
DEN-BTR 09.09 RASM 10.49 AdjRASM 0998 Miles 61.99% LF
DEN-DAY 08.70 RASM 10.45 AdjRASM 1083 Miles 72.65% LF
IND-DEN 09.16 RASM 10.44 AdjRASM 0975 Miles 75.62% LF
DEN-BNA 08.90 RASM 10.34 AdjRASM 1012 Miles 75.76% LF
DEN-CAK 08.03 RASM 10.25 AdjRASM 1222 Miles 76.39% LF
SMF-DEN 09.27 RASM 10.20 AdjRASM 0908 Miles 75.33% LF
SDF-DEN 08.34 RASM 09.74 AdjRASM 1022 Miles 66.65% LF
SEA-DEN 08.32 RASM 09.72 AdjRASM 1024 Miles 81.73% LF
TUL-DEN 11.41 RASM 09.69 AdjRASM 0541 Miles 54.87% LF
SFO-DEN 08.51 RASM 09.66 AdjRASM 0966 Miles 72.93% LF
MCI-DEN 11.44 RASM 09.63 AdjRASM 0531 Miles 65.61% LF
SJC-DEN 08.46 RASM 09.51 AdjRASM 0947 Miles 68.77% LF
JAX-DEN 06.79 RASM 09.43 AdjRASM 1446 Miles 73.77% LF
MEM-DEN 08.71 RASM 09.39 AdjRASM 0871 Miles 65.71% LF
MDW-DEN 08.33 RASM 09.09 AdjRASM 0894 Miles 70.64% LF
PBI-DEN 05.98 RASM 08.95 AdjRASM 1679 Miles 74.43% LF
DEN-BDL 05.62 RASM 08.38 AdjRASM 1669 Miles 66.71% LF


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 15):
Why is F9 keeping FLL but cutting RSW from DEN even though RSW has a higher RASM and LF than FLL?

Keep in mind too that this is only one quarters worth of data. The first quarter is likely the strongest for both FLL and particularly RSW. The problem is how does RSW do the other three quarters? My guess is that you would find FLL does better on a year round basis as demand doesn't drop quite as much as RSW does during the 2nd/3rd quarters.


User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2913 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
Keep in mind too that this is only one quarters worth of data. The first quarter is likely the strongest for both FLL and particularly RSW. The problem is how does RSW do the other three quarters? My guess is that you would find FLL does better on a year round basis as demand doesn't drop quite as much as RSW does during the 2nd/3rd quarters.

RSW has been a seasonal destination from DEN and, judging by the numbers provided, a very good performing one. I see no reason for F9 to close the station entirely. RSW-DEN had the second highest LF of any destination from DEN and the highest RASM of any Florida city in Q1. This may be a stupid question but is it more expensive to operate cities on a seasonal basis? I still think this was a stupid move by F9!


User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2901 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 23):
This may be a stupid question but is it more expensive to operate cities on a seasonal basis? I still think this was a stupid move by F9!

In general yes. Everyone seems to look only at revenue but each airport (and station) has it's own cost and that needs to be factored in as well. The monday morning quarterbacking always seems to take their one area of expertise and think they have all the answers but in reality, they only have a part of the equation. They may be right on their part but without the whole picture, their answer may be wrong.


25 Burnsie28 : Especially since they dropped MEM and it was one of their best routes? Atleast according to the statistics.
26 Enilria : It is, but it doesn't have to cost very much. If they used a handler at RSW it wouldn't cost much at all. It only gets expensive when you try to have
27 Mariner : "crap"? Oh, well, each to their own. As I see it, it is the third frequency, the red-eye, that is the variable feast. Always has been. This year, the
28 Stapleton : Actually, it costs quite a bit to have a ground handler for a seasonal 1 flight a day operation. Frontier would probably not be a signatory carrier i
29 Enilria : The reality is that airport cost variance is much smaller than revenue variance. Cost per enplanement at airports runs from $3 to $15 (excluding Toro
30 Stapleton : But that is only part of the "station" cost. You also have to add in ground handling (whether self or contracted), into plane fueling costs, fuel sup
31 Petteri : Are income from cargo or mail included in the above figures?
32 Enilria : Station handling is always bid on incremental cost plus a profit margin equal to what the market will bear. That is often below the full cost the oth
33 Stapleton : [quote=Enilria,reply=32]At most carriers the local station manager makes these deals and his goals are getting his labor cost to a minimum for corpora
34 Enilria : In the case of F9, the topic of the thread, they made money back when they were using handlers instead of their own people. Thus, it must have been r
35 VC10DC10 : Now GEG at 6 pm is a better example... dead as the proverbial doornail
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