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DL E75 Route 9/08 ATL-MDW  
User currently offlineBpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Browsing throught the DL 9/08 flight schdules I noticed that DL will have two daily roundtrips between ATL and MDW with E-175. As a side note, DL will send a daily 757 into SAT and have up to five daily 757's into CLT.

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2290 times:



Quoting Bpat777 (Thread starter):
and have up to five daily 757's into CLT.

Are you kidding me? Is there that much demand for those planes in CLT?



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 1):
Are you kidding me? Is there that much demand for those planes in CLT?

US Airways CLT-ATL = Epic Fail.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8911 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Plenty of local CLT flyers that have gotten fed up with US Airways (no 500 mile minimum, no elite bonus miles, inferior lounges, etc.) have decided they'd rather connect in ATL rather than deal with the airline US Airways has become.

That doesn't even mention the decent feed local CLT-ATL market, and why would anyone put up with US Airways regional jets (only 1-2 mainliners a day on CLT-ATL on US) when you could take a Delta mainline jet. The elites have a shot at upgrades, and even in the back, a 737/MD-80/757 is much more comfortable than a CRJ-700/900.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2174 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
That doesn't even mention the decent feed local CLT-ATL market, and why would anyone put up with US Airways regional jets (only 1-2 mainliners a day on CLT-ATL on US) when you could take a Delta mainline jet.

Isn't that a little bit of a hypocritcal statement considering DL is the biggest offender of over reliance on regional jets?



Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2161 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
Plenty of local CLT flyers that have gotten fed up with US Airways (no 500 mile minimum, no elite bonus miles, inferior lounges, etc.) have decided they'd rather connect in ATL rather than deal with the airline US Airways has become.

Were talking well over 800 possible people here! If that's indeed the case and DL really feels like sending 5 757's to CLT is worth the trouble, then why are they even a US hub anymore? LOL!!!



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2155 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 5):
If that's indeed the case and DL really feels like sending 5 757's to CLT is worth the trouble, then why are they even a US hub anymore? LOL!!!

Why are any cities still US hubs?  flamed 


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8911 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2132 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 4):
Isn't that a little bit of a hypocritcal statement considering DL is the biggest offender of over reliance on regional jets?

Delta's at least increasing the number of RJs that have First Class, which is a major improvement.

As for this market, it's all DL mainline (save maybe 1-2 RJs, if that...) vs. mostly RJs. Yes, there are plenty of markets where DL is less competitive than others due to this (I've flown FL before on BWI-BOS over DL due to the fact that I could pay a decent price for Business Class on FL vs. being stuck on an RJ; same with BOS-DCA and taking US Shuttle over Comair...); however, this is not the case for the local CLT-ATL market.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2112 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 6):
Why are any cities still US hubs?

Better cover your head dude. The vegetables should start getting thrown anytime now.


Hey, if DL thinks it's a good idea, then so be it. They know more than I do so I won't continue to second guess like this. But I would love to know the LF's on these once they have rotated this schedule out of the system.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23201 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2015 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
That doesn't even mention the decent feed local CLT-ATL market

While the local market is fairly large, I think many of those passengers are pretty price-sensitive... the seems to be much more local traffic since FL came to town. The 75s aren't there for the local pax. They're there for connections. DL has been #2 at CLT for quite some time. It's a distant #2, but they still do better than anyone else but US.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8911 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1984 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I think many of those passengers are pretty price-sensitive

I wouldn't be sure on that - it sure has helped with AirTran coming to town, but it's only a 3.5 hour drive from downtown Charlotte to downtown Atlanta down I-85. Even with $4 gas prices, it still comes out to less than $100 r/t to drive unless you're driving an extreme gas guzzler.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1907 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 5):

Were talking well over 800 possible people here! If that's indeed the case and DL really feels like sending 5 757's to CLT is worth the trouble, then why are they even a US hub anymore? LOL!!!

You're talking one city pair, with 2 large banks shuffling employees back and forth, potential lucrative revenue....RDU has had this level of DL service for years, but probably more of theirs is connecting traffic as US does have (at last count) 5/LAS 6/PHX/ 4/LAX and 4/SFO nonstops from CLT daily, as well as multitudes of east coast nonstops.....still a decent hub.


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

I'll say the same thing regarding 5 757's to CLT as I did with the one to SAT...Some in ATL is really smoking something. This a/c should be sent somewhere else. CLT does NOT, I repeat DOES NOT need 5 757's. One of those planes could go somewhere else, like IAH, IND back to CMH. Let's use some common sense here, ok?

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1841 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 12):
Let's use some common sense here, ok?

 Yeah sure Please, spare us. Stop while you're ahead, buddy.


User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1832 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
Plenty of local CLT flyers that have gotten fed up with US Airways (no 500 mile minimum, no elite bonus miles, inferior lounges, etc.) have decided they'd rather connect in ATL rather than deal with the airline US Airways has become.

This is true, although not necessarily tied into the 500 minimum. I had to go to PHX a few months ago and the airfare with a conx in ATL was about $600 less then the nonstop on US. So ATL it was. That flight was on a 757, completely full with the agents looking for volunteers. Plus DL serves/served quite a few cities you couldn't get to nonstop on US such as ABQ, SLC, AUS, SHV, etc... where it was ATL, DFW, or bust.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
That doesn't even mention the decent feed local CLT-ATL market

The local feed isn't the driver. When FL jumped into the market, it dropped o/w fares from an average of $400 to as low as $99. I used to travel between CLT and ATL frequently. On my way home from business in ATL in Cobb County (NW ATL), it was more efficient to jump in the car and drive back to CLT in about 3.5 hours, compared to driving 30 minutes south to ATL, 15-20 minutes for the rental car return, then an 1.5 hours to check-in and get through security. Then typical of the summer season, the 45 minute flight gets delayed an hour or so due to t-storms in either city.

Unless I had to be in ATL first thing in the morning or was stuck there late in the day and driving would be in the 0 dark hours of the day, I was on I-85.


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1814 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 13):
Please, spare us. Stop while you're ahead, buddy.

I'll never stop, "buddy." I'll even go as far as to say that ORD, DTW should get the 757 over CLT and SAT.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1803 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 15):
I'll even go as far as to say that ORD, DTW should get the 757 over CLT and SAT.

Why? Because they're bigger?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1767 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 16):
Why? Because they're bigger?

Well yes, more people means more O/D. Bottom line, CLT and SAT do NOT need the larger a/c, period. It is a waste, I simply am not going to argue the issue. When DL had the 737-200's, that is all the mainline that CLT got. And that was only about 2-3 years ago. So please explain to me what has changed sooooo drastically in that amount of time that DL thinks they need the larger a/c. And the same goes for SAT, only they did have a mixture of a/c and still do. If you're going to waste a larger a/c, why not send them the 767?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1762 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 17):

You're right. No one at DL fleet planning/revenue management knows what they're doing. They're all amateurs.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23201 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1574 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 17):

Well yes, more people means more O/D. Bottom line, CLT and SAT do NOT need the larger a/c, period. It is a waste, I simply am not going to argue the issue.

If CLT or SAT can fill the planes profitably, why should they be sent elsewhere?

Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 14):
The local feed isn't the driver. When FL jumped into the market, it dropped o/w fares from an average of $400 to as low as $99. I used to travel between CLT and ATL frequently. On my way home from business in ATL in Cobb County (NW ATL), it was more efficient to jump in the car and drive back to CLT in about 3.5 hours, compared to driving 30 minutes south to ATL, 15-20 minutes for the rental car return, then an 1.5 hours to check-in and get through security. Then typical of the summer season, the 45 minute flight gets delayed an hour or so due to t-storms in either city.

 checkmark  Like in a lot of large cities, ATL isn't especially close to where most people want to go in Atlanta. That makes driving more attractive than flying from a lot of the cities where the choice is really marginal (Charlotte, Nashville, and Knoxville come to mind as examples).

If you want an idea of how much FL affects the market, compare Charlotte and Nashville. The local market on CLT-ATL is more than twice as large.



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