Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 452 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19344 times:
"A young mechanic pressed a starter switch to slowly spin the compressor blades for cleaning.
Instead, her action sent the engine to immediate takeoff power, hurling the fragile aircraft at 90 degree angles."
Sounds like someone didn't check to make sure the thrust levers were in the shutoff position.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 8544 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19272 times:
Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 1): Sounds like someone didn't check to make sure the thrust levers were in the shutoff position
Sounds like they forgot to pull the CBs for the ignitors. TRs make no difference
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
There was a thread in TechOps on it that seems to have disappeared...
I'm pretty sure he got in hot water over that thread. Company pictures.. very descriptive... used names....The photo used in the linked news story came from that thread and much of the story is word for word.
[Edited 2008-07-22 07:23:55]
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Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 452 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19111 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3): Sounds like they forgot to pull the CBs for the ignitors. TRs make no difference
But the article said it had immediate takeoff power. If the thrust levers were in shutoff, no fuel would have been introduced to the start sequence and the fan blades would have spun like normal. I do agree about the ignitors..but still, if the ignitors were on and the thrust levers were in shutoff, this still wouldn't have happened.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2420 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19025 times:
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 8544 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19019 times:
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18747 times:
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2): There was a thread in TechOps on it that seems to have disappeared...
It was also posted in CivAv last night, but that one is gone as well. It'll only be time before this one is.
SFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18638 times:
IAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 293 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18601 times:
Ya I am working on finding another set of the images. As photobucket has banned that account for "violating the TOS" i.e. doing harm to a corporate organization. I love when posts get deleted and no email on why. It's almost like these forums are actually hosted by the airlines.
I can see removing a "hear say" topic with no supporting information. But it happened, there is proof, and then it gets deleted.
Chris
Moved to IAH, living across from the approach end of 26R
ComairGuyCVG From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18340 times:
That was just insane! I wonder if someone is getting a couple of days off LOL!!!!
ATC doesn't decide which runway to takeoff or land, the wind does.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 8544 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18175 times:
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17877 times:
Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 9): Ya I am working on finding another set of the images. As photobucket has banned that account for "violating the TOS" i.e. doing harm to a corporate organization.
WESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 519 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17330 times:
With everything that happened I'm just glad nobody got hurt. I work at a samll FBO and help the mechanics when they need it. When I think about the stuff that I've seen that could've happened sometimes it just freaks me out.
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Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1578 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17233 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
All 3 aircraft will be repaired and returned to service.
But the article says that one is a total loss... and the news media is NEVER wrong about aviation!
When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
PlanenutzTB From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 256 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13356 times:
The young mechanics comments right after the crash, "oops, my bad".
I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.
Crjfixer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12921 times:
This actually happened more than 2 weeks ago, I have great pictures but will not share to protect the original photographers job. It was 2 crj 200's and 1 crj 700 and WOW they are in bad bad shape, someone said all 3 will be repaired but it appears to me 1 should be scrapped
JoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 419 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12436 times:
KLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12184 times:
I bet that this mechanic wishes it was only a case of minor ramp rash. That poor CR7 is in the middle of it all-that won't be cheap to fix. Which airplane was one that started this chain reaction? I guess N975EV. Glad no one got hurt, that is the ultimate 'bright side' of this all.
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AirWillie6475 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12357 times:
This is real strange I think the media or article is omitting stuff. You can't just start an engine and have it go into full power. The CRJ7s have automated starts where you just press a button to start the engines however there are multiple inhibitions so you don't do what the lady did. The CRJ2 which I think the accident plane was doesn't have automated starts so I'm not sure how she could have started the dry motor and went full power in a matter of seconds.
25 IAD51FL: Be careful the ASA PR Lady is monitoring Airliners.Net and is forcing the mods to delete these pictures... she already got my photobucket account clos
26 Lexy: Spot on. I spoke with Mr. Sells (who BTW is just doing his job) and they (ASA) are monitoring.
27 FlyASAGuy2005: Your actually right. Nowhere in the OP's first message was there mention of ASA but the pictures said it all... It was the 70 seater that started eve
28 Pilotboi: When this was first posted in Tech Ops (before it was quickly removed), the OP posted the report submitted by one of the aircraft inspectors that was
29 PagoFlyer: WOW, a woman MECH? Guess she'll get promoted out of that station..
30 Themightydude: Man thats going to be expensive to fix...especially the damage around the nose section.
31 Aogdesk: What's so odd about a woman mechanic? They're all over, and they're wayyyyyy behind males in the race to wreck airplanes.
32 Olympus69: Why is A.Net censoring legitimate news stories?
33 Aogdesk: While the overall story is legitimate news, internal reports, photos, etc may be considered proprietary and confidential. Violation of that may invit
34 Themightydude: I remember reading that in tech ops as well yesterday... Maybe ASA is having them take it down for insurance reasons..or just doesn't want that kind o
35 Bravo1Six: To add to that, the photos may or may not be a part of an ongoing investigation of the incident. If so, I would expect that A.net isn't willing to ge
36 YOWza: All I can say is holy shit! It's not often you see something like this. Those photos really tell the story well. Glad nobody was hurt, I wonder if sai
37 Garnetpalmetto: Correct. For this reason, ASA has asked us not to allow the photos to be displayed in the thread. Any posts which display the photos will be removed
38 Teneriffe77: Is there any chance the pics will show up on the net at all? I for one would have said to hell with ASA and just kept them
39 ADent: Flightaware has a thread with pics and account (not for long I imagine). When I Googled "3 CRJ's in ground collision at Baton Rouge" it was the first
40 EMBQA: Because all the photos I've seen so far were the property of ASA, taken by ASA personal or on ASA property. It's there right to restrict there distri
41 Teneriffe77: How come this incident has hasn't shown up on Avherald, ASN, or the FAA's website. BTW as someone with a library degree I hate censorship and the very
42 ADent: JACDAC has it listed: http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm . crash-aerien.com has more pics including outside views during daylight (not sure who owns t
43 F9Animal: Interesting. I had no idea ASA would be so worried about that. So, if say USA Jet requested that all pics of its crashed DC-9 be removed, would airli
44 F9Animal: I tried to edit my last post, but was unable to do so! Sorry! Anyways, I just got an email with a ton of pictures! Wow! What a mess! Anyways, I am sur
45 Teneriffe77: The pics that I have seen I've saved to my own computer so I can look at them myself (and even post on the web at am later date) (BTW I don't give a h
46 EMBQA: The USA Jet crash happened in a public location... the ASA accident did not. It happened on company property. I doubt it will turn up on the FAA web
47 Lightsaber: Is everyone sure it wasn't a means of collecting insurance money? Seriously, I'm glad no one was seriously hurt. Reasonable. I'm all for distributing
48 Tdscanuck: It didn't occur as part of Part 121 operations...I'm not sure the FAA would consider it an incident, although I'm sure their PMI is all over it. Cens
49 F9Animal: How can one be sure that the photos taken were from someone employed with another airline, or even someone passing by in a plane. News choppers also
50 Vegasplanes: According to: Looks like the -700 is damaged beyond repair as well as one of the -200s involved. I do not know how accurate the above site is, but th
51 Tdscanuck: In general, you can't, but the ones on TechOps were definitely posted by an insider. When there's no intervening glass pane and the camera is obvious
52 ADent: The later daytime photos at crash-aerion.com ( google "site:crash-aerien.com btr") are definitely taken pretty far out on the ramp and the damage isn'
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2904 posts, RR: 2 Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
Wow, I'm sure Delta's glad they sold asa to Skywest. Had they not, they'd sure be in the limelight over this one.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
54 Olympus69: Makes sense to me. At least I got to see the photos while they were up;
55 EMBQA: I'll be shocked if any of these are written off. Nothing I've seen in the pictures is even close to BER damage. The nice thing about aircraft and shee
56 AV8AJET: But it's whats behind the sheetmetal that really matters. If the wing spar and/or box is bent or damaged bad enough that could be enough to call her
57 777ER: Those pics are still there when I looked at the WAFB news site. I say good on the people who have keeped those pics on web-site, even if someone (the
58 OPNLguy: You're right, and not only did they restore the previous Anet-credited photo, they added two more and re-wrote and expanded the article as of yesterd
59 EMBQA: You just put a new wing on it.... No big deal. I know of several aircraft that are flying with new wings. What it really will come down to will be, i
60 Tdscanuck: A spar splice, though a major repair, has a long history. The fact that it's ever been done suggests it's economical in at least some circumstances.
61 TWAL1011727: http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=8711634 Pictures are now available again... Since its been almost a month I wonder if any of the A/C are back i
62 Bagpipes: all i have to say is one word "OOOOPS" Kinda think of Steve urkle going "Did i Do that"
63 Bok269: And as to further advance the notion that the media can't get anything right, they have listed the source as "airlines.net"
64 F9Animal: LMAO!!! I noticed that before I even read your response. Well, it looks rough, but nobody was seriously hurt! Just a big oops. I don't see a need not
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