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DL To Start ATL-TGU With New 73W (737-700)  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8926 times:
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Service to start Dec 18 2008:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080722/146843.html

Schedule:

Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
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551 Atlanta at 9:40 a.m. Tegucigalpa at 12:15 p.m. Daily
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552 Tegucigalpa at 1:05 p.m. Atlanta at 5:40 p.m. Daily
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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Are airlines allowed to use Toncontin Airport yet?

User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1207 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Wow really good news for TGU, i think this will be a really successfull route.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Retarted... what demand is there between ATL and TGU? AA will cream them...


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8860 times:
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Also just noticed that buried in the press release was this little bit about new JFK-BON service starting Dec 20 2008 (Saturday-only, I'm sure):

".....Delta also will start flights between New York-JFK and Buenos Aires*, Argentina (Dec. 18); New York-JFK and Bonaire (Dec. 20);...."


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8809 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 1):
Are airlines allowed to use Toncontin Airport yet?

CO's been flying back there for a week



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Interestingly, this will now tie Delta with Continental for most destinations served in Central America (excluding Mexico) by a U.S. carrier. Are there any other airports in Central America aside from LCE and FRS which could handle, say, a CRJ/ERJ to the U.S.?

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

well..considering they just axed JFK-LIR/PTY/SJO/GUA permanently...so far this week they are in down.

Is this another throw one against the wall and see if it sticks....

DL have struggled with MGA...and TGU is that same sort of destination....not many tourists...so they will really have to advertise to get it to work.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

The loads are going to suck. That's a given.

Yields should be awesome, though.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
Are there any other airports in Central America aside from LCE and FRS which could handle, say, a CRJ/ERJ to the U.S.?

David, Panama.

Technically, though, none can actually handle a CRJ. They aren't overwater and they have to hug the coast, which makes it expensive and pointless.



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User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

YAY! maybe I can get a ticket from DC to TGU for less than $1000 for x-mas now...

Funny thing I guess they haven't loaded the 737-700 into their system yet, as it shows a 747 for equipment instead! haha talk about landing on a short runway!  Smile

28 DEC 08 - SUNDAY
AIR DELTA AIR LINES INC FLT:552 COACH
LV TEGUCIGALPA 105P
AR ATLANTA 540P
NON-STOP
EQP: BOEING 747
03HR 35MIN


This is going to be one weight restricted 737, they'll probably add seasonal baggage embargoes like Continental does.


User currently offlineLudavid777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Does anyone know when they would do the proving runs or I should say fam flights for TGU? It's always cool to see airlines blasting up and down that airport... cool photo op too...

[Edited 2008-07-22 14:09:46]

User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8369 times:

Why was TGU closed? Someone mentioned CO restarting service, was there an incident?

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6312 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8332 times:



Quoting Ludavid777 (Reply 9):
This is going to be one weight restricted 737, they'll probably add seasonal baggage embargoes like Continental does.

Why would it...ATL is not that far and the 73G has good performance....but they will need special crew training (a la CO and AA) adn this will add to the cost

Quoting Mason (Reply 11):
Why was TGU closed? Someone mentioned CO restarting service, was there an incident?

TA 320 overan badly a few weeks ago in a tropical storm....couple deaths....msot likely Pilot error

one of the more recent threads....http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4054213/



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 7):
Is this another throw one against the wall and see if it sticks....

DL have struggled with MGA...and TGU is that same sort of destination....not many tourists...so they will really have to advertise to get it to work.

This is getting to be such a tired argument. DL wouldn't be posting the numbers they are posting if they were just throwing darts at a board to see what sticks. Given that the majority of their Latin America operation has remained intact, either they were throwing those darts with some accuracy or they actually knew what they were doing all along.

Also, you seem to have a thing for advertising. However, you seem to fail to realize that advertising is but one tool that an airline has at its disposal. Whether or not a route is advertised is not, IMHO, a make or break thing for an airline.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 7):
DL have struggled with MGA.

People have repeated this over and over again but no one has ever given hard evidence that this is actually the case. Does anyone have a source that, once and for all, proves that DL has struggled with MGA.

[Edited 2008-07-22 14:43:30]


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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6649 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8253 times:
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Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
Retarted... what demand is there between ATL and TGU? AA will cream them...

None. Just like there is none for ATL-SAL.. but there is connecting traffic..



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8224 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
Retarted... what demand is there between ATL and TGU? AA will cream them...

Absolutely hilarious that somebody silly enough to use the word 'retarded' in this context actually managed to spell it wrong.

Anyway, I shouldn't think they'll be 'creamed' by AA. As Mt99 says, there'll be connecting traffic alright and in any case they're only using a 73W.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8168 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
what demand is there between ATL and TGU? AA will cream them...

AA MIA-TGU with 757 started from $650 in Y when the flight was available before.
The route is supposedly granting healthy yields based on the short airborne and high fares.
Maybe this fact encourages DL to commence a similar venture aiming to TGU, despite it doesn't necessarily work as AA MIA-TGU and vice versa.




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Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
Are there any other airports in Central America aside from LCE and FRS which could handle, say, a CRJ/ERJ to the U.S.?

Atlantic Southeast Airlines sometimes flies ATL-BZE on behalf of DL with CRJ jets.




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Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 7):
considering they just axed JFK-LIR/PTY/SJO/GUA permanently...so far this week they are in down.

Taking into account the current high prices of oil, it's strange how DL is willing to try now with the untapped market TGU-ATL and back regarding that they were not successful with their Central American routes out of JFK. Most of them started not more than six months ago.

Regards.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8168 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
People have repeated this over and over again but no one has ever given hard evidence that this is actually the case. Does anyone have a source that, once and for all, proves that DL has struggled with MGA.

The loads have been posted and they absolutely suck. Though obviously something is going right since they still fly there.



a.
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Good luck to DL on this new flight. BTW, the 73G is just the perfect aircraft to start the JFK-BOG route, given that AV recently added a second daily flight, there´s no need for a 757 flying it.

Just a question, where is the demand from Honduras to the US concentrated, other than south florida?


User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8136 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
The loads have been posted and they absolutely suck. Though obviously something is going right since they still fly there.

I know the loads have been posted and realize they are fairly low. But since we know that loads, in and of themselves, do not tell us about the yield generated or profiability of a route, I was merely wondering if there is anything more substantial than load data out there that can prove that the route is struggling. Like you said, they're still flying the route, even with fuel as high as it is, so something else has got to be going on.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2082 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8061 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):

Just a question, where is the demand from Honduras to the US concentrated, other than south florida?

I think TACA has flown MSY-Honduras.

CO has always done very, very well to Honduras from IAH. I think CO has also done EWR-SAP on Saturdays...


User currently offlinePlanefxr From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8021 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
Retarted... what demand is there between ATL and TGU? AA will cream them...



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15):
Absolutely hilarious that somebody silly enough to use the word 'retarded' in this context actually managed to spell it wrong.

You beat me to it, I was laughing so hard I just about fell out of my chair.  rotfl 


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

DL could do well, but not for ATL-TGU O/D pax. But why the rush to start that flight before TGU goes XPL?

Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
Are there any other airports in Central America aside from LCE and FRS which could handle, say, a CRJ/ERJ to the U.S.?

DAV Panamá. TA just started flight there from SJO and IMHO, now it's a question of when CO, AA and DL will be looking to fly there. However, the current DAV terminal would definately need to be expanded.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
Just a question, where is the demand from Honduras to the US concentrated, other than south Florida?

MSY, strange that neither CO nor DL which had international flights out of MSY once upon a time, don't show interest in P2P MSY-SAP.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7881 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
But why the rush to start that flight before TGU goes XPL?

Because it was pretty much the only reason they bought the 73G Wink



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7750 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
Because it was pretty much the only reason they bought the 73G

Thought ATL-MAO was the only reason.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
25 SJOtoLIR : Alongside with TA, LACSA and SAHSA [no longer in service] offered direct services to New Orleans from Honduras, some years backward. Regards.
26 OB1504 : Long, thin routes to Central and South America are the overall reason.
27 Yellowtail : Well, I predicted the demise of the JFK routes to GUA etc when they first announced them...and I got flamed as a CO cheerleader.....so I will predict
28 MaverickM11 : Which is funny considering they said this in the press release: "Our flights to San Pedro Sula and Roatan have consistently performed well" Consideri
29 Yellowtail : Maybe they mean better than JFK-PTY or ATL-TAB Isn't it all relative?
30 Evan767 : Haha, wow, that statement was LOL funny.
31 RussianJet : It sure was. However, he obviously didn't think so as he chose to send me an abusive personal message in response. I guess that pretty much justifies
32 Ludavid777 : It's my assumption, CO's 73G into TGU is always weight restricted. The flights have "held seats" at times and then when they do remove the held seats
33 Yellowtail : The rocket ship 752 should not have the least bit of problems.
34 Ludavid777 : haha you cut off an important part... "at least not to the extent CO with the 73G does."
35 RCS763AV : Thank you. For some reason, i thought TA´s now gone MSY flight came from SAL.
36 SJOtoLIR : The last regular operations coming from Central America were scheduled as TA SAL-SAP-MSY. Rumour has it that they may launch the route again since TA
37 OA412 : I'd assume they mean that by right sizing the market, they've been able to keep the route profitable. Just a guess.
38 SJOtoLIR : Correct. During this week DL ATL-BZE 5x weekly is being attended with MD-88. The current filter period corresponds to the high season. Regards.
39 Viaggiare : Track record aside, anyone who has logged but a small fraction of the miles you've racked up on all these CentAm and Caribbean routes over the years
40 Klwright69 : Yes, thanks. I knew at one point MSY had decent service to Honduras, and that all USA-Honduras traffic is not centered around south florida.
41 Yellowtail : I defer to your wise and probably right judgement.
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