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Etihad's Order Includes The A350-1000?  
User currently offlineTriniA340 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

In the Press centre of Airbus' website [after logging in], I found this. [And for those not sure which model it is, the original filename specifically said A350-1000!] I hope I am not late about this, but AFAIK, the model breakdown of the A350 order was not disclosed. So I guess it maybe includes the -1000?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Because EK and QR both included the A350-1000, "mine is bigger than yours" protocol requires that EY also include it in each "largest order in history" that they place...  

[Edited 2008-07-22 17:53:16]


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4126 times:



Quoting TriniA340 (Thread starter):
So I guess it maybe includes the -1000?

No breakdown has been announced (or, probably, decided) but it would seem likely that EY will take the -1000 either as part of this order or a subsequent one. There's no urgency since they have just added to their 773ER fleet but they obviously have a requirement for an aircraft in this category.

(But I credit the management of EY with the ability to make sound business decisions rather than succumb to the adolescent pissing contest which some on A.Net want to believe drives every order from the Middle East.)

Asiana have said that their recent order will include the -1000 and Thai are rumoured to have already reserved two -1000 slots against a future order. BA and Qantas are both said to be close to placing orders. It may be a tad soon to count chickens but I sense a growing momentum behind the A350-1000. It's just frustrating that we'll have to wait till the middle of the next decade to see it.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3745 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
but I sense a growing momentum behind the A350-1000.

Its sad to see Boeing not developing a 310 seater Boeing 787-100X and a 370 seater B 787 as well to be future B 772ER and B 773ER replacements.

Airbus has already began to do so with the A 359 and even though the A 351 is still a paper airplane, by next year's Paris Air Show things will be a lot more clearer.

Boeing needs to get their act together on this market segment asap otherwise they will suffer in the same way how in the early-mid 1990s, the advanced A 330s line killed their aging B 767 line.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3707 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
the advanced A 330s line killed their aging B 767 line.

And the 777 killed the A340, and the 787 will kill the A330, and the A350 might well kill the 777, etc... You get the point, it a cycle.

No manufacturer can have a top of the line, latest generation aircraft to offer in every category at any given time. Not even Airbus and Boeing, who, between themselves, corner the entire worldwide airliner market...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineTriniA340 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

So, carriers that have ordered or even shown interest in the A350-1000 so far are:

Air Caraibes
Asiana Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
Etihad Airways
Qantas
Thai Airways

Correct?



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User currently offlineGroup51 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Why does Airbus still show that nose? I thought it was getting an A380 style nose?

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3371 times:



Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 5):
Air Caraibes

I didn't know about them. Interesting.

Quoting TriniA340 (Reply 5):
So, carriers that have ordered or even shown interest in the A350-1000 so far are:

Air Caraibes
Asiana Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
Etihad Airways
Qantas
Thai Airways

Add Qatar. They were the first to order it.

Quoting Group51 (Reply 6):
Why does Airbus still show that nose? I thought it was getting an A380 style nose?

It is and illustrations which must be closer to the 'real thing' have been published. But my guess is they are waiting until it's finally decided before they switch artists' illustrations to the actual design. Otherwise they'd have images showing V.1, V1.5, V.2 and so on. It would look awful. So they stick to the earlier design (which will never be built) until they can come out and show the final version.


User currently offlineTriniA340 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Oops!! How could I forget QR from the list? So it is:

Air Caraibes
Asiana Airlines
British Airways
Emirates
Etihad Airways
Qatar Airways
Qantas
Thai Airways



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30977 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3145 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
Its sad to see Boeing not developing a 310 seater Boeing 787-100X and a 370 seater B 787 as well to be future B 772ER and B 773ER replacements.

They've already sunk serious billions into the 787, 747-8 and 777F programs - all of which are in various stages of development (747-8I early, 787 mid-point, and 777F later). And the 77W is still selling very well and will continue to do so into the next decade.

Scaling the 787 well-beyond 300 seats will require improvements in the engine thrust and changes in the undercarriage geometry which will require a change to the wingbox. That will not be cheap, it will not be easy, and it will not be quick.

Boeing will likely do financially better selling 77Ls and 77Ws even at $20-30 million over production cost then they will selling heavily-revised 787HGWs or a new 777RS considering the former is completely paid for and the latter would have billions in start-up costs that all come out of pocket and sit on the books for years until new frames start to ship.

I expect Airbus has come to the same conclusion, hence their selling A330s by the brace and not moving forward with a multi-billions effort to make the original A350 into a new "A360".


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