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How Is B6 Doing At AUS?  
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 45
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Some recent B6 threads got me wondering how they're doing with their pseudo-focus city here at AUS? I would assume JFK and BOS are still doing well, given their success I'm sure contributed to their expansion here, but what about the new routes, FLL, MCO, LGB, and SFO? Would it appear these are here to stay, or are they likely targets for the chopping block should oil rise any higher? If anybody has some numbers, I'd be intrigued to see them!

Thanks!

Cheers,
Cameron

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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Hi Cameron,

See this thread - http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4077054/

I listed JetBlue's totals for June. They seem to be doing well based on those numbers and based on other comments I've seen on other forums I post on

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

They just added four extra flights to Austin. JetBlue has plenty of cities (especially in FL) that have more flights. So the whole pseudo-focus city doesn't make sense.

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3459 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 2):
So the whole pseudo-focus city doesn't make sense.

B6 is providing connecting opportunities for east-west travel with the E190's. While some connections are available in FL cities, they aren't nearly positioned as well to serve the greater portion of B6's network like AUS, ergo the "pseudo-focus city" moniker.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineCO1787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

So how many flights/day does B6 now have out of AUS?

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3327 times:



Quoting CO1787 (Reply 4):
So how many flights/day does B6 now have out of AUS?

They have 8 daily departures
1xBOS
3xJKF
1xLGB
1xSFO
1xFLL
1xMCO

That's about all they can handle out of their curent 1 gate, but there is the possibility more gates will become available due to other airlines' cuts, and other airlines leaving the market all together (ExpressJet branded ops and Midwest, so far.)

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

I hope they'll add another SFO turn. They'd do well with it.

User currently offlineCO1787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3158 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 5):
They have 8 daily departures
1xBOS
3xJKF
1xLGB
1xSFO
1xFLL
1xMCO

Only 1 to BOS?

Are these all E190? or do the 320's come in from JFK?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3146 times:

CO1787 - all the aircraft are E-190's except for the one daily nonstop to BOS. It was upgraded to an A320 on May 1, I believe, and goes back to E-190 around the 1st of November.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3087 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 5):
That's about all they can handle out of their curent 1 gate

It's actually substantially more than they can handle out of their one gate, 19.

Every single time I've been at Bergstrom since the expanded B6 AUS schedule debuted, they have been using another gate besides just 19.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3054 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):

Every single time I've been at Bergstrom since the expanded B6 AUS schedule debuted, they have been using another gate besides just 19.

Interesting. I've been working 5 days a week the entire summer, and have only seen them use 22 twice...

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCO18Heavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

CO1787... Come on man.. you didn't know that they only had 1 flight a day to BOS and 1 320? Get with the program bud.


CO18Heavy


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
Interesting. I've been working 5 days a week the entire summer, and have only seen them use 22 twice...

Cheers,
Cameron

It must have just been the times I was there, then, but I've seen them up at 22 at least 4 times in the last few months.

That schedule is way too tight for one gate if they have an OSO in JFK/BOS.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Hopefully they can pick up another gate or 2. The airport normally does a gate assesment every year and can, at their discrretion, require other airlines to move/give up and/or share with other airlines. This is mentioned in the airport's 2001 Competition Plan and I assume that policy is still in effect today.

This is the relevant section of the Competition Plan that mentions it:

Quote:
Also, on or about October 1, of each Fiscal year, the City will evaluate Airline's utilization of the terminal in terms of average number of daily flights per gate for the immediately preceding ten-month period. If airline average gate utilization is less than 4 flights per day during the test period, Lessor may at its option and in order to accommodate the needs of other Airlines, require the Airline to relinquish, effective October 1, of that year a proportionate number of it's gates and its ticket counter, ticket office space and bag makeup areas.

At the very least, the City should pay to either move US Airways from Gate 20 to Gate 4 or Frontier from Gate 24 to Gate 4. That's what DEN is doing right now - moving other airlines from Concourse C to A so WN can get more gates on C.

Actually, now that I think of it, the City should pay for both Frontier and US to move to the East Concourse. They could let Frontier operate their 3 daily flights to DEN out of Gate 2, which right now is only used once per day for Air Canada's daily flight to YYZ. I believe Northwest has also used Gate 2 as an overflow gate in the past.

US Airways could move to Gate 4 (being vacated by Express Jet) and since most of US Airways flights out of AUS are on regional jets, US could also use Gate 1 as their overflow gate.

Plus, Frontier's and US Airways' ticket counters are adjacent to JetBlue's. Frontier is on one side of it and US Airways is on the other side. F9 and US could move over to the far end of the East ticketing Lobby and occupy the ticket counter space vacated by AeroMexico and soon to be vacated by Express Jet.



That would free up Gate 24 and Gate 20 for jetBlue, and it would also have the benefit of having more airlines using the East Conourse. Ever since the Airport opened 9 years ago, I've heard that the concessions down on the east end have struggled because there have always been fewer flights on smaller aircraft down at that end.

Other options might be AA giving up Gate 25 and/or Continental giving up Gate 22.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
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B6 execs were at the airport a few weeks ago. Saw them in and out of the upstairs meeting rooms. Wondering if they were looking at bring more destinations to AUS. Glad to see B6 doing well at AUS despite the shift in the industry.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2969 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 13):
Plus, Frontier's and US Airways' ticket counters are adjacent to JetBlue's. Frontier is on one side of it and US Airways is on the other side. F9 and US could move over to the far end of the East ticketing Lobby and occupy the ticket counter space vacated by AeroMexico and soon to be vacated by Express Jet.

Sounds good, except: is the vacated AM counter and soon-to-be-vacated XE counter big enough for F9/US? Admittedly, I only have ever walked past that far-far end of the east ticket lobby, but it seems like that space is smaller than the space F9 and US collectively now have over on the other side.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 13):
Actually, now that I think of it, the City should pay for both Frontier and US to move to the East Concourse. They could let Frontier operate their 3 daily flights to DEN out of Gate 2, which right now is only used once per day for Air Canada's daily flight to YYZ. I believe Northwest has also used Gate 2 as an overflow gate in the past.

Good idea, yet you would still have to deal with a split B6 operation: some flights out of 19, some across the concourse and down past the shop/bar/bathrooms at 20 or 24. Better than nothing, though, I guess.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 13):
Other options might be AA giving up Gate 25 and/or Continental giving up Gate 22.

With DAL going away, I doubt AA will keep using 25 at all, anyway.

As far as I know, they don't lease it now as it is, but rather just use it on a temporary as-needed basis, outside of their formal lease agreement with Bergstrom. They can simply stop using the gate - which they won't need with their reduced schedule after all.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
Sounds good, except: is the vacated AM counter and soon-to-be-vacated XE counter big enough for F9/US? Admittedly, I only have ever walked past that far-far end of the east ticket lobby, but it seems like that space is smaller than the space F9 and US collectively now have over on the other side.

I think the space would be adequate. Expressjet, at it's peak had 18 departures per day. AeroMexico had 1. Total departures between the 2 was 19. US Airways has 7 departures per day (and 5 of those are regional jets) and Frontier has 3 for a total of 10.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
Good idea, yet you would still have to deal with a split B6 operation: some flights out of 19, some across the concourse and down past the shop/bar/bathrooms at 20 or 24. Better than nothing, though, I guess.

Before AA eliminated their DAL flights, they ran a split operation, too - Gates 13, 14, 15, 17 and then way down at Gate 25.

Even though Gates 19, 20 and 24 aren't contiguous, they're still relatively close to each other and all in the same concourse. The other option would be for JetBlue to take Gate 4, but that's at the complete opposite end of the terminal from their current. Gate 20 and/or 24 would seem to be the lesser of two evils.


LoneStarMike


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 16):
Before AA eliminated their DAL flights, they ran a split operation, too - Gates 13, 14, 15, 17 and then way down at Gate 25.

Yeah, and it sucked - believe me.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 16):
Even though Gates 19, 20 and 24 aren't contiguous, they're still relatively close to each other and all in the same concourse. The other option would be for JetBlue to take Gate 4, but that's at the complete opposite end of the terminal from their current. Gate 20 and/or 24 would seem to be the lesser of two evils.

Oh yeah, definitely, 20/24 are definitely preferable to 19, but they still aren't exactly right next to 19 - they're definitely a bit of a walk: past those shops, the bar, the bathrooms, etc. It's not miles and miles, but isn't ideal, though - you're right, of course - it's probably the best B6 can do at the moment.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2813 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
Oh yeah, definitely, 20/24 are definitely preferable to 19, but they still aren't exactly right next to 19 - they're definitely a bit of a walk: past those shops, the bar, the bathrooms, etc. It's not miles and miles, but isn't ideal, though - you're right, of course - it's probably the best B6 can do at the moment.

Here's another idea that would probably work out even better, but it would be contingent upon CO giving up Gate 22. If that gate became available, they could move Frontier from Gate 24 to Gate 4, and let US and B6 switch their current gates. US would then have Gate 19, and JetBlue would have Gates 20, 22, and 24, If AA gave up Gate 25, jetBlue could take that one, too if they wanted to expand that much. US would keep it's current ticket counter, Frontier would move down to Expressjet & Aeromexico's ticket counter and JetBlue would take over whatever ticket counter space Frontier (and the recently departed Midwest) used.

LoneStarMike


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