MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 345 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9263 times:
As of tomorrow Thursday 07/24, SCT, the Mexican Department of Communications and Transportation will be grounding Aero California and banning ExpressJet's Continental's operations in Mexico due to JR owing them US25M and ExpressJet US 4.5M, according to (Spanish only): http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/524701.html
This will be in effect until both pay the Mexican Government in full.
MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9153 times:
Let's hope it doesn't happen, they still have a few hours to come up with the 4.5 million... But as for JR, after all of their difficulties, I see it extremely hard for them to restart their operations. Let's hope for the best in terms of saving jobs without sacrificing safety.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8787 times:
Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 6): I was wondering where that thread went, too. It may have been deleted because you posted the entire text of the article, which a.net views as a copyright violation.
thanx, that's probably what happened. No wonder.....
Back to the topic, this could be the final nail in the coffin for AeroCalifornia, 25 million is a lot for them. Second grounding in less than 3 years, it will tarnish their reputation even more, not a big worry tough, people will flock to buy the cheapest ticket. I do want them to make through this one, they're part of Mexican aviation.
Express Jet will have to pay the 4 mil, that's a good portion of their business.
COflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8536 times:
ExpressJet serves 27 destinations for Continental in Mexico. Mainline flies to 11 cities.
For example, this friday, there are 38 ERJs and 11 ER3s heading South from IAH to ACA, AGU, CUU, CME, DGO, GDL, ZIH, BJX, MZT, MEX, MTY, MLM, OAX, PBC, PVR, QRO, SLW, SJD, SLP, TAM, TLC, TRC, VER and VSA.
On that same day, 2 739s, 8 738s, 2 73Gs, 7 733s and 6 735s head South from IAH and EWR to CUN, CZM, BJX, MID, MEX, MTY, PVR and SJD.
Not much, like the rest of Central and South America they'll let you fly right into a mountain if you don't have good situational awareness. It isn't their fault though the governments don't have a lot of money to spend on radars and modern ground based navigation. ATC down there is more like Air Traffic Service, not Air Traffic Control.
MayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8231 times:
ExpressJet is at an almost two year long default with its payments for Air traffic control (en route navigation and terminal charges) and other air navigation services (Meteorological and Aeronautical Information Services) with SENEAM (Servicios a la Navegacion en el Espacio Aereo Mexicano / Navigational Services in Mexican Air Space), the Mexican Government Agency in charge of ATC. These payments are collect-able through SAT (Servicio de Administracion Tributaria), the Mexican equivalent of the American IRS. If they don't pay by deadline tomorrow, it'll be better for them to store their planes at IAH.
Not much, like the rest of Central and South America they'll let you fly right into a mountain
Not even my friends in Medellín, CO could have ever thought of even joking about it. Whichever services are provided, prompt payment is expected. MX & AM put their fleets in and out of the US everyday without any IRS problems (since 1929) due to their timely payments. If it wasn't like that Azteca would have spared one 737.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8144 times:
I cannot get a link, but in CO's General Bulletin to employees-that's a daily bulletin for all CO employees-it says XJT will have the approximately $4.5 million in fees paid for by the start of the business day, 7-24. So, if that is the case, there should be no suspension of service by XJT to Mexico.
The point is that ATC navigation services are not a cost center for AM or MX when coming to the US as they receive the service of the FAA gratis, unlike US carriers when operating into Mexico which as you can see must pay out what can be millions in navigation charges.
Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 17): BTW is this what AM & MX are getting when paying for US ATC on their Canada-Mexico flights?
As far as this, I think its a great idea that we are getting fresh blood and increasing the ATC work force. Personally I see an 18 year old as good as any candidate and most likely very adapt at understanding the technology involved -- like a big video game basically.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Was this necessary? Your attitude suggests somehow you are personally being ripped off by the unpaid fees.
Back in the 90's I flew with a charter A/C down to MEX and basically we couldnt get out of the FBO until the pilot personally went around and tipped anyone who was standing around acting like they worked there. Magically within minutes things "worked out" and we were able to get our aircraft moved so we could leave.
Its amazing how money makes things happen south of the border...
Quoting NorCal (Reply 12): Not much, like the rest of Central and South America they'll let you fly right into a mountain if you don't have good situational awareness.
What a blatant display of ignorance.
While I can't speak for central and south america, Mexico has an impressive ATC system. I know because I've personally visited several of their TRACON and center facilities. They are on par with the best european facilities, and use european equipment. I've visited US ATC facilities as well and while they were good, they did feel like they were lagging behind in equipment when compared to Mexico or Europe.
Not to mention there are stricter rules (i.e. no night flying unless you filed IFR) among other things. Mexico has user fees so that's why Xjet is in debt.
: 4.5m plus interest and fines since 2006 amounted to US5'265,000 according to (Spanish only): http://www.sct.gob.mx/despliega-noti...ws%5BbackPid%5D=1&
: Jeez why can't they just die already...
: Did that happen at MEX, as in Mexico City Benito Juárez International Airport?
: I never singled out Mexico, I said all of Central and South America. I agree there is a lot wrong with our ATC system, but ours and Europe's is a lot
: Congratulations, yes, money talks, you fed corruption, if you ignore them or filled a report other thing could have been, fortunately Mexico has chan
: Actually, you did by clearly saying like all of Central and South America. Indeed, if you are now changing your stance upon being corrected by a few
: Might want to visit again, I think you'll find that quite a few U.S. ATC facilities are quite different with equipment that what you might have seen
: Last time I did so was in ZHU around April this year. And you're right they've come along, but I didn't get that much of a wow factor, but yes, that'
: right now i am at a tijuana hotel. the lobby is filled with at least 25 layedover overworked JR crew. crying, anger with few exceptions of overboozed
: What does all of Latin America have to do with this thread? The AA crash in Cali and what not. The thread is specifically about Mexico, that has seem
: I feel for Aerocalifornia, I was about to start a thread " how are they doing? could they maybe start replacing their DC9s with CRJs or ERJs?" .....I
: I mentioned Central and South America because in my professional experience I have found that the ATC services provided in Mexico are similar to the
: I just did so, several posts above. But I was just speaking for Mexico.