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Did DL/EV Reconsider Decision To Retire ATRs?  
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

I noticed last week while investigating future flight arrangements out of AVL this coming winter that DL is now showing a single AVL-ATL flight per day operated by EV on an ATR 72, in addition to the other flights scheduled on either a CRJ 100 or 700. The ATRs were supposed to be retired as of 01 Dec. Did DL/EV reconsider its decision? A quick check of the schedule shows it flying in January as well.

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

My understanding was that most would be retired. A few would have been kept into '09.


What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9510 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3096 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):

My understanding was that most would be retired. A few would have been kept into '09.

Are they going to replace them with something? Q400s would be nice.



yep.
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3056 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
Are they going to replace them with something? Q400s would be nice.

ASA has been in talks with ATR and Bombardier for several years now. To date, there is no identified turbo-prop replacement. They will be augmented by existing CR2s and 7s.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

I seriously doubt that those December schedules are final. I'm not so sure October is even done.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9510 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2979 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3):
ASA has been in talks with ATR and Bombardier for several years now. To date, there is no identified turbo-prop replacement. They will be augmented by existing CR2s and 7s.

Which I would hope that Delta would be smarter and ask them to get something to replace them. The Intra-Georgia plus flights to AL,SC and Northern FL would probably be cheaper on a prop.



yep.
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2954 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
The Intra-Georgia plus flights to AL,SC and Northern FL would probably be cheaper on a prop.

Anything under 2:00 is probably cheaper on the prop, but DL has way too many RJ's to start throwing ATR's on routes that long.

If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4679 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2901 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.

Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.

I would suspect places like TYS MGM CAE GSP CSG GPT MYR (golf bags arent good for RJs) and maybe a some mixed in to BHM VPS PFN CHA and AVL



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2856 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.

I wasnt implying they'd fly to those cities, but cities of a similar distance from ATL.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.

No way in hell Richmond is going to get some turboprop for a 450 mile flight to Atlanta. Norfolk is even longer.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.

RIC sees 757's as well. Edit: ORF doesn't see 757's anymore.

[Edited 2008-07-24 07:25:32]


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4679 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2823 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
I wasnt implying they'd fly to those cities, but cities of a similar distance from ATL.

Im thinking it be flights in the less than 300 mile segment, or cities with unique ligt requirements such as MYR with golf bags or CSG with 50 army duffel bags where the 50 seat RJ just wont cut it.

The higher yeilding places that you listed (CRW, TRI etc) will be the last places to loose the 50-seat RJ since they are probably the only places those aircraft can make money



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
The higher yeilding places that you listed (CRW, TRI etc) will be the last places to loose the 50-seat RJ since they are probably the only places those aircraft can make money

Thats as much of a catch 22 as you'll ever see.


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

There was word, and I believe it was on this forum, a while ago that said all current stations using the ATR would switch to all-jet, except HHH which does not have a long enough runway for the RJs. Anyone know if this is correct?

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 12):
There was word, and I believe it was on this forum, a while ago that said all current stations using the ATR would switch to all-jet, except HHH which does not have a long enough runway for the RJs. Anyone know if this is correct?

This is true, there was a rumor going around that ATL might see the return of EMB-120's to operate the HHH flight though this time with OO instead of EV. It would be pretty weight restricted though so the ATR's gone by Dec '08 could spell the end of DL service to HHH.



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Thread starter):
single AVL-ATL flight per day operated by EV on an ATR 72, in addition to the other flights scheduled on either a CRJ 100 or 700.

I know the DL website always comes up with the -100's for ASA but we don't have any only -200's & -700's...Not faulting you just a DL website error.



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2590 times:



Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 14):
I know the DL website always comes up with the -100's for ASA but we don't have any only -200's & -700's...Not faulting you just a DL website error.

D'oh! I've spent enough time in those planes to know that!

Good catch--thanks.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2577 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 9):
No way in hell Richmond is going to get some turboprop for a 450 mile flight to Atlanta. Norfolk is even longer.

True, and with the military presence at ORF (NAVSTA Norfolk and the others), I dont see a Q400 going there from ATL.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2572 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.

I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back. They were also sending the Brasilias to HTS, LEX, and EVV. They were also sending to places like AEX (they would switch Brasilias between the DFW base and the ATL base via cities like AEX and MEI.).

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
I would suspect places like TYS MGM CAE GSP CSG GPT MYR (golf bags arent good for RJs) and maybe a some mixed in to BHM VPS PFN CHA and AVL

Pretty much all of those cities have at some point had ATR and even EMB-120 service.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 13):
This is true, there was a rumor going around that ATL might see the return of EMB-120's to operate the HHH flight though this time with OO instead of EV. It would be pretty weight restricted though so the ATR's gone by Dec '08 could spell the end of DL service to HHH.

Not really too restricted if OO brings in Brasilias that are 120ERs. The ERs have a higher bag max than the RTs. I worked for EV back when they started to convert some of their RTs to ERs and the bag max went up enough that it got rare to leave bags behind when an ER was operating the flight.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4679 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2539 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
Pretty much all of those cities have at some point had ATR and even EMB-120 service

Many of them also had mainline service too. the only TRUE former E-120 cities that might not have the ability to fill a larger plane are places like VLD LYH MEI and GTR



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2481 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back.

All the way until 2000 I believe. I've heard that it was a pretty long ride in the Brasilia.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2461 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 19):
All the way until 2000 I believe. I've heard that it was a pretty long ride in the Brasilia.

It was! I used to fly them...Great plane though pretty fast, way faster than the ATR we always dogged those guys!  Smile



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2367 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back. They were also sending the Brasilias to HTS, LEX, and EVV. They were also sending to places like AEX (they would switch Brasilias between the DFW base and the ATL base via cities like AEX and MEI.).

Of course, before too long the SF3 may be an option for a lot of these cities from ATL. Those that currently see SF3 service from DTW or MEM could see SF3 service (operated by XJ as NW Airlink) onward to ATL practically as soon as the merger closes.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
Of course, before too long the SF3 may be an option for a lot of these cities from ATL. Those that currently see SF3 service from DTW or MEM could see SF3 service (operated by XJ as NW Airlink) onward to ATL practically as soon as the merger closes.

I dont think CRW will be seeing any saabs to ATL. Especially not with the way the CR2 performs.

I think we'll see the SF3 in CVG before ATL, if DL decides to take them out of the NW hubs at all.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2257 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):

I dont think CRW will be seeing any saabs to ATL. Especially not with the way the CR2 performs.

I tend to agree. I was thinking more of cities like ROA (DTW-ROA-ATL), MEI, AEX, and perhaps LEX (all MEM-XXX-ATL).



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