AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 611 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
I noticed last week while investigating future flight arrangements out of AVL this coming winter that DL is now showing a single AVL-ATL flight per day operated by EV on an ATR 72, in addition to the other flights scheduled on either a CRJ 100 or 700. The ATRs were supposed to be retired as of 01 Dec. Did DL/EV reconsider its decision? A quick check of the schedule shows it flying in January as well.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
My understanding was that most would be retired. A few would have been kept into '09.
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DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 7671 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1619 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):
My understanding was that most would be retired. A few would have been kept into '09.
Are they going to replace them with something? Q400s would be nice.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2): Are they going to replace them with something? Q400s would be nice.
ASA has been in talks with ATR and Bombardier for several years now. To date, there is no identified turbo-prop replacement. They will be augmented by existing CR2s and 7s.
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KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
I seriously doubt that those December schedules are final. I'm not so sure October is even done.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 7671 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3): ASA has been in talks with ATR and Bombardier for several years now. To date, there is no identified turbo-prop replacement. They will be augmented by existing CR2s and 7s.
Which I would hope that Delta would be smarter and ask them to get something to replace them. The Intra-Georgia plus flights to AL,SC and Northern FL would probably be cheaper on a prop.
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KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5): The Intra-Georgia plus flights to AL,SC and Northern FL would probably be cheaper on a prop.
Anything under 2:00 is probably cheaper on the prop, but DL has way too many RJ's to start throwing ATR's on routes that long.
If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6): If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.
Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.
I would suspect places like TYS MGM CAE GSP CSG GPT MYR (golf bags arent good for RJs) and maybe a some mixed in to BHM VPS PFN CHA and AVL
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KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.
I wasnt implying they'd fly to those cities, but cities of a similar distance from ATL.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2954 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6): If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.
No way in hell Richmond is going to get some turboprop for a 450 mile flight to Atlanta. Norfolk is even longer.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): Not sure about those places, esp RIC which has FL, and ORF which sees 757s.
RIC sees 757's as well. Edit: ORF doesn't see 757's anymore.
[Edited 2008-07-24 07:25:32]
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8): I wasnt implying they'd fly to those cities, but cities of a similar distance from ATL.
Im thinking it be flights in the less than 300 mile segment, or cities with unique ligt requirements such as MYR with golf bags or CSG with 50 army duffel bags where the 50 seat RJ just wont cut it.
The higher yeilding places that you listed (CRW, TRI etc) will be the last places to loose the 50-seat RJ since they are probably the only places those aircraft can make money
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KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10): The higher yeilding places that you listed (CRW, TRI etc) will be the last places to loose the 50-seat RJ since they are probably the only places those aircraft can make money
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1237 times:
There was word, and I believe it was on this forum, a while ago that said all current stations using the ATR would switch to all-jet, except HHH which does not have a long enough runway for the RJs. Anyone know if this is correct?
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1230 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1137 times:
Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 12): There was word, and I believe it was on this forum, a while ago that said all current stations using the ATR would switch to all-jet, except HHH which does not have a long enough runway for the RJs. Anyone know if this is correct?
This is true, there was a rumor going around that ATL might see the return of EMB-120's to operate the HHH flight though this time with OO instead of EV. It would be pretty weight restricted though so the ATR's gone by Dec '08 could spell the end of DL service to HHH.
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1230 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1137 times:
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Thread starter): single AVL-ATL flight per day operated by EV on an ATR 72, in addition to the other flights scheduled on either a CRJ 100 or 700.
I know the DL website always comes up with the -100's for ASA but we don't have any only -200's & -700's...Not faulting you just a DL website error.
AVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 611 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 14): I know the DL website always comes up with the -100's for ASA but we don't have any only -200's & -700's...Not faulting you just a DL website error.
D'oh! I've spent enough time in those planes to know that!
Dispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1184 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1100 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 9): No way in hell Richmond is going to get some turboprop for a 450 mile flight to Atlanta. Norfolk is even longer.
True, and with the military presence at ORF (NAVSTA Norfolk and the others), I dont see a Q400 going there from ATL.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16223 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
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Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6): If they were to get Q400s, I could see them sending them as far as ROA, CRW, ORF, RIC, and other cities within a similar radius of ATL.
I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back. They were also sending the Brasilias to HTS, LEX, and EVV. They were also sending to places like AEX (they would switch Brasilias between the DFW base and the ATL base via cities like AEX and MEI.).
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): I would suspect places like TYS MGM CAE GSP CSG GPT MYR (golf bags arent good for RJs) and maybe a some mixed in to BHM VPS PFN CHA and AVL
Pretty much all of those cities have at some point had ATR and even EMB-120 service.
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 13): This is true, there was a rumor going around that ATL might see the return of EMB-120's to operate the HHH flight though this time with OO instead of EV. It would be pretty weight restricted though so the ATR's gone by Dec '08 could spell the end of DL service to HHH.
Not really too restricted if OO brings in Brasilias that are 120ERs. The ERs have a higher bag max than the RTs. I worked for EV back when they started to convert some of their RTs to ERs and the bag max went up enough that it got rare to leave bags behind when an ER was operating the flight.
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RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1062 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17): Pretty much all of those cities have at some point had ATR and even EMB-120 service
Many of them also had mainline service too. the only TRUE former E-120 cities that might not have the ability to fill a larger plane are places like VLD LYH MEI and GTR
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KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1004 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17): I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back.
All the way until 2000 I believe. I've heard that it was a pretty long ride in the Brasilia.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 19519 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 890 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17): I know ROA and CRW were Brasilia routes not too many years back. They were also sending the Brasilias to HTS, LEX, and EVV. They were also sending to places like AEX (they would switch Brasilias between the DFW base and the ATL base via cities like AEX and MEI.).
Of course, before too long the SF3 may be an option for a lot of these cities from ATL. Those that currently see SF3 service from DTW or MEM could see SF3 service (operated by XJ as NW Airlink) onward to ATL practically as soon as the merger closes.
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 882 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21): Of course, before too long the SF3 may be an option for a lot of these cities from ATL. Those that currently see SF3 service from DTW or MEM could see SF3 service (operated by XJ as NW Airlink) onward to ATL practically as soon as the merger closes.
I dont think CRW will be seeing any saabs to ATL. Especially not with the way the CR2 performs.
I think we'll see the SF3 in CVG before ATL, if DL decides to take them out of the NW hubs at all.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 19519 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 780 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
I dont think CRW will be seeing any saabs to ATL. Especially not with the way the CR2 performs.
I tend to agree. I was thinking more of cities like ROA (DTW-ROA-ATL), MEI, AEX, and perhaps LEX (all MEM-XXX-ATL).
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