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QF Decompression: Hole in fueslage  
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 5295 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72612 times:

A QANTAS flight plunged 20,000 feet after a door 'popped' mid-flight, passengers are reporting.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24076145-661,00.html

Landed safely in Manilla after taking off from HKG

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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72669 times:



Quoting ANstar (Thread starter):
flight plunged 20,000 feet

In the event of a depressurization isn't that what the crews are trained to do -- get the aircraft down to 10,000 ASAP?

"Plunged" (yes I know that's quoted from the article) implies, to me at least, an uncontrolled behavior.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72731 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
In the event of a depressurization isn't that what the crews are trained to do -- get the aircraft down to 10,000 ASAP?

"Plunged" (yes I know that's quoted from the article) implies, to me at least, an uncontrolled behavior

Yeah im with you Lincoln, I thought an 'emergency decent' was pretty much the norm when something like this happens. And have to agree that the way the article was written that because the door 'popped' the pilot lost control of the aircraft and it went it to a 20000' dive.

Unfortuneatly QF maintenance is the focus of news and current affairs down here at the moment, so any mis-hap that may occur is widely reported. This will be lead stories on the news tonight for sure, I hope we dont have passenger accounts, because operationally it seems the crew did everything was by the book, 'not an uncontrolled dive as we may be lead to believe '!  no 

At the end of the day well done to QF crew for getting the plane safely on the ground and making sure all ended well.

Mark

[Edited 2008-07-24 21:44:44]


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72563 times:



Quoting ANstar (Thread starter):
after taking off from HKG

The article says the flight was LHR - MEL, and about an hour past HKG when this happened.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72557 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
In the event of a depressurization isn't that what the crews are trained to do -- get the aircraft down to 10,000 ASAP?

so true.

asking pax to interpret events is silly. everything described was SOP for a depressurization. doesn't the newspaper have a duty to point that out? it's not the pax fault they thought they were somehow out of control and that the pilot saved them and all that, but it would be nice for the newspaper to point out that "during a depressurization, oxygen masks drop from the ceiling to provide oxygen to passengers while the pilots descend the aircraft to 10,000 feet, an elevation where supplemental oxygen is no longer necessary. The pressurization of an aircraft does not materially impact the pilot's ability to maintain control." Stuff like that. Of course, then it wouldn't be sensationalistic journalism, just real journalism.  Wink



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72528 times:



Quoting QF108 (Reply 2):
I thought an 'emergency decent' was pretty much the norm when something like this happens. And have to agree that the way the article was written that because the door 'popped' the pilot lost control of the aircraft and it went it to a 20000' dive.

Yes, this rapid descent is routine when this sort of thing occurs in-flight. The media always over dramatizes QF "incidents."


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72528 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 1):
In the event of a depressurization isn't that what the crews are trained to do -- get the aircraft down to 10,000 ASAP?

"Plunged" (yes I know that's quoted from the article) implies, to me at least, an uncontrolled behavior.

Lincoln

Yep, every time something like this happens, everyone always reports on how they crashed because of the plunging dive that happened.

This is exactly what we as pilots are going to do if we have a rapid decompression. We are going to get that plane down to 10,000ft or lower as absolutely fast as possible. If necessary, we'll go thrust idle, full spoilers, and dive down so that the airspeed is at the barber pole. The airplane is going to be falling out of the sky like a rock and sure it might be scary for the passengers, but it is 100% in control and definitely in everyone's best interest. Its not an imminent crash. Airliners and their pilots are capable of a lot more extreme of maneuvers than passengers see on a daily basis, and sometimes in the interest of safety, it is necessary to do them.


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 72465 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
The media always over dramatizes QF "incidents."

Depending upon what is meant by a door "popping," the incident might actually have been dramatic, though experienced travelers would have remained calm throughout.


User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72398 times:

Yep LHR to MEL via HKG.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72401 times:

In addition to more oxygen to breathe at 10,000 feet isn't it a bit chilly at 30,000 feet? I'd be quite happy dropping like a stone in order to breathe and stay a bit warmer.

The main question I have is what went "pop"? A door seal? As a layman that would be my guess and I'd then be asking how often the seals are supposed to be inspected and replaced.

Also, with the friendly relations between QF unions and management it will be interesting to find out if this was related to outsourced maintenance or work done by QF union members. One side or the other is going to ride this one as hard as possible.]

Regardless, good job by the flight deck crew. I've been through one emergency on a QF 744 and was most impressed with the professionalism of the flight crew. I'll sit on their planes any day.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72309 times:

Pax said the door popped, others said there was an explosive decompression, and yet others said ''a big gap where the door used to be''. Now did the door come off or not? If the door did come off and is missing then yes it was an explosive decompression.
I'm thinking that if its just the seals etc and that the door is actually still intact then the pax may have just been saying it was completely gone when the door was opened on the ground. Still to say that he can't have been the smartest cookie as just about everyone know that the door swings open just like most doors anywhere do... unless he was right and the door did come off....  Wow!



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72298 times:



Quote:
Mr McClements said the faulty door was on the 'driver's side' of the plane, just before the wing.

The driver's side????  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Journalism at its best.  Big grin


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72378 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
and yet others said ''a big gap where the door used to be''.

Yes, typically, when a door is opened there is a "big gap where the door used to be". This is a design feature of a door, versus, for example, a wall.  rotfl 

[Edited 2008-07-24 22:15:44]


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User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72163 times:

Rumours comming out of a hole 1metre by 1 metre in the fwd fuselage,

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72238 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 12):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
and yet others said ''a big gap where the door used to be''.

Yes, typically, when a door is opened there is a "big gap where the door used to be". This is a design feature of a door, versus, for example, a wall.

exactly  Wink
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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72092 times:

Quoting Babaero (Reply 13):
Rumours comming out of a hole 1metre by 1 metre in the fwd fuselage

Is there any chance that this could in fact have been a window popping and not the door ?

And if the rumours of a hole in the fuselage are true, and its not just an open door ! Then this is going to stretch those QF 744's even further.

[Edited 2008-07-24 22:46:53]

[Edited 2008-07-24 22:47:30]


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72083 times:

either way, its not good for QF.


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User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 72032 times:

Aircraft is VH-OJK. Area of hole is R/H side below door 2R near to where Oxy bottles are located

[Edited 2008-07-24 23:12:35]

User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71910 times:



Quote:
"I'm looking at the plane now and on the left hand side, just forward of the wing, there's a gaping hole from the wing to the underbody," she said.

"It's about two metres by four metres and there's baggage hanging out so you assume that there's a few bags that may have gone missing."
ABC News online




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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71865 times:



Quoting Babaero (Reply 17):
Aircraft is VH-OJK. Area of hole is R/H side below door 2R



Quoting Bohica (Reply 11):


Quote:
Mr McClements said the faulty door was on the 'driver's side' of the plane, just before the wing.

The driver's side????

Well obviously not the airplane drivers side... as the Capt of course is on the Left.  Wink
Well this would explain a few things if it is R2. QF 744s have a galley located from R2 backwards (the equivilent of 5 Y rows). Hence no pax near it except forward of R2. Interesting location.... remember that this is the same area that the UA 742 out of HNL had the whole side ripped off from a faulty locking mechanism on the cargo hold door below.



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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71762 times:

Just quoting the local ABC news here in Los ANgeles, but they just came on and said it was breaking news and that there had been an "explosion" on board with a gaping hole now in the fuselage...

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8601 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71632 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 19):
Well obviously not the airplane drivers side... as the Capt of course is on the Left.

which is the drivers side in a lot of the world .

I just saw the story on google news - headlined , would you believe , "Technical glitch forces Qantas flight to make emergency stop in Manila" - nice to know that a big hole in the side of an aircraft is only a 'technical hitch' - and to think we usually accuse the media of exaggeration



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 5295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71633 times:



Quoting QF108 (Reply 15):
Is there any chance that this could in fact have been a window popping and not the door ?

Reports seem to indicate it is below the window line... It was only a month or so ago that a 743 had a window pop.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71569 times:

Sounds like tragedy was averted. It's still humorous how wrong the pax quoted were about what happened and why. But it's not their fault, as they are not experts.


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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 71532 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 22):
Reports seem to indicate it is below the window line... It was only a month or so ago that a 743 had a window pop.

Yeah agree ANstar I posted that prior to reading about the hole in the fuselage.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
I just saw the story on google news - headlined , would you believe , "Technical glitch forces Qantas flight to make emergency stop in Manila" - nice to know that a big hole in the side of an aircraft is only a 'technical hitch' - and to think we usually accuse the media of exaggeration

Andrew, I was quick to jump on what the media will reporting tonight when the story appeared earlier, back then thought that it would have been a door seal or similar, however it should be lead story on the news tonight. Am very keen to find out what happened, and after reading about the hole under seat 2R like ZKpilot I too thought about the UA flight that lost a cargo door enroute to AKL.



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25 Post contains links QANTAS077 : official word from QF. http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn...details?ArticleID=2008/jul08/Q3792
26 Post contains links Jbernie : Well the plane was still flying as it is intended to do, whether or not it should be flying with various parts of the body in the ocean instead of on
27 ANstar : Leads credibility to the pax reports of a gash in the side then if Geoff mentions it.
28 Ryanair!!! : Ok... looking on the bright side of things, when was the last time anyone of us saw a QF plane land in Manila?
29 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Hole forces Qantas plane to land http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7524733.stm I just saw this news on the Beeb's site. Must have been quite sca
30 IAirAllie : The article is actually fairly balanced they have the passenger description of the plunge but they mention beforehand why the plane descended so drama
31 SCL767 : Agreed, the article does offer a fair and balanced view.
32 MilesDependent : QF fly to MNL 3-4 times a week last I checked
33 Post contains links ANstar : Pic of the inside here (but not of damage) http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=603727
34 Baroque : Beginning to look like a faulty wall then rather than a faulty door? I don't recall walls having holes as design features although some ornamental on
35 Post contains links DocPepz : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3862862/ From the above thread, VH-OJK's maintenance was last done in Avalon, Austral
36 Qantas787 : Don't try to downplay this "incident", this was bordering on an absolute disaster. Kudos to the crew, but to have a gaping hole in the side of your ai
37 ANstar : And it is the aircraft that had some corrosion issues..... swiss cheese???
38 Babaero : Picture showing on CNN TV. Confirmed below 2R
39 Post contains links QF108 : Heres a pic of the hole, they were very very lucky http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,24076247-5001021,00.html
40 ANstar : Wow! That is not anything to do with the door!
41 Post contains links and images ADent : Here is a linked image from http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,24076247-5001021,00.html
42 TwinOtter4Ever : Looks like the wing fairing pulled away from the plane...doors are fully intact.. and locked. Any other occurance of wing fairing poping of in flight.
43 Boris342 : I dont think I'm mistaken when I say that, that's not a door incident It would be interesting to see what caused that sort of damage!
44 Post contains links and images Moo : From the BBC News Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7524733.stm
45 Post contains links and images SInGAPORE_AIR : Whilst journalistic-hatred is popular among this forum when it comes to anything related to aviation, there is no doubt that this is a significant inc
46 Dec : Wow, don't underestimate the importance of such an event people; things are pretty serious apparently, glad everyone got away safely!
47 Post contains images Peh : How likely is it that the aircraft's control systems could have been affected by the structural damage? Reports suggest that sections of the floor and
48 Post contains images Singapore_Air : This picture is more close up:
49 Post contains images JetMech : LOL Hahaha...I looked at the picture you posted of the damage on VH-OJK. I then noticed your user name     ! IIRC, most of the flight control syst
50 Gkirk : Anyone identify their bags from that pic?
51 Zkpilot : Um..... my thoughts... not to mention that pretty much anytime there is a typhoon that hits HKG a lot of QF flights divert to MNL. Thanks for posting
52 Robffm2 : Shouldn't that luggage be in containers? I think it's strange to see suitcases/bags through the whole...
53 Asiaflyer : Is this type of damage related to lack of maintenance, or is it more due to fatigue?
54 Gkirk : Looks like the container was blown open as well.
55 HNL-Jack : It would appear that whatever caused the skin to be ripped away came from within a container. If it had been a strike from the exterior the skin shoul
56 Haan : Looks like substantial damage to the right hand pack. Perhaps the pack "Blowing up" could have resulted in the depressurization. Just my 2C observatio
57 Jetfuel : This particular aircraft is 17 years old. The last maintenance done at Avalon was connected with the instal of the new seat configuration when severe
58 Post contains links Mortyman : Two pictures here from a Norwegian newspaper. The second picture you can click on and it becomes much bigger... http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/urik
59 Imag : small point - unless i missed something National Nine News and News Corp are competing media companies in Australia (generally) and not the same orga
60 Post contains links and images Singapore_Air : They seem to be having fun in Manila ! Picture from Sydney Morning Herald.
61 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...ports/2008/AAIR/aair200804689.aspx follow the ATSB for accurate info.
62 Post contains links DocLightning : http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/25/jet.emergency/index.html There's a picture here...
63 Mortyman : When you look at the size of the hole and where it is, close to the wing. Is it possible that the wing could have been torn off ? ( hypotetically spea
64 LHR777 : Could also be the contents of cargo pallets, which are secured with nets. I know when we used to load the QF30 at LHR, we'd often end up with HKG loa
65 Scouseflyer : So are we all convinced that this is some sort of structural failure / corrosion issue and not a terrorist bomb that has "fizzled"? To me it does look
66 Jetfuel : Anything is possible, but you would need more damaged structure for that Too early to tell really. We need to be careful about speculation
67 DocLightning : For those of you pooh-poohing this incident, if the complex machine you were in at 500+Kts at FL 290 suddenly developed a large hole, even if it never
68 MCIGuy : Yep, pretty much. Explosive decompression is well, explosive, hence the blown-out look to the metal.
69 DocLightning : The other bags are in good shape...
70 QANTAS077 : I'll wait for the ATSB thanks....
71 JetMech : I would say not. The hole is big, granted, but what you must keep in mind is that the thickness gauge of fuselage skin is much thinner than that of t
72 Baroque : No doubt there is an alert out to find for "disappointed-looking" terrorists! But I hope rather more effort is put into the engineering side of it.
73 Pumaknight : I hope nobody take this the wrong way, but I am pretty sure that there is not one person in the world that would not be terrified after hearing a bang
74 BlackProjects : That hole looks like somthing came out at a hi rate of speed. A Large Boom was herd inside the passenger cabin and Debris was flying around the cabin
75 Post contains images NZA320 : The pilot, Captain John Francis Barters.
76 Post contains links Max777geek : There you go : http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/aereo-manila/1.html
77 ATP2033 : Looking at the enlarged picture the bang almost certainly came from the inside. At least five stringers have been blown through and all the skin damag
78 Post contains images SInGAPORE_AIR : Thanks Max777Geek ! Image from La Republicca (Italy) via AFP
79 DABZF : I was also wondering about the baggage bin torn open like that... It really seems like the "blow" came from inside. Then again, I have no idea how str
80 BlackProjects : In that area their are Oxygen Cylinders from what a friend who works on 747s has said but the Damage to the cargo hold bin seems to suggest that what
81 Swiftski : There's something wrong with me, that the first thing I noticed was a 747 with 346 pax.
82 Post contains links Mortyman : Apparently the blast from the cargo area led to a hole in the roof up to first class. A Norwegian passenger says that the stewardesses were sitting on
83 DABZF : ... you mean 744 with 346 pax?
84 Scouseflyer : Yeah you're right - An A346 with 744 pax would be somewhat of a squeeze
85 Robffm2 : Whatever might have caused this damage, another questions comes up: Is it repairable or will this be a write off? How long might any repairs take and
86 Post contains links SInGAPORE_AIR : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7525125.stm Video from inside the cabin - I can't seem to embed in here.
87 Jetfuel : Just about guarantee its 99% going to be repaired
88 LTBEWR : There is no doubt that this is a very serious incident. Fortunately the a/c was able to make a controlled emergency descent and land in a matter of mi
89 Jeffrey1970 : Thank God they were able to land safely. As far as journalist go, yes they can be irresponsible at times. However, with something like this I do not f
90 Dispatchguy : No maintenance technician would ever, and I dont care what country has issued his maintenance certificate, put passengers in willful danger during a
91 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Image from AftenPosten (Norway) via Reuters:
92 WithaK : I don't think that Ken777 was implying that this was a deliberate act by a maintenance engineer. In Australia there has been a lot of media claiming
93 Teme82 : That image makes me wonder was the cause simple metal fatigue or did they have some pressurized air tank malfunction.... Anyways that raises question
94 YWG747 : Well lets hope the seatbelt sign was on.
95 ATP2033 : Having checked with a friend who has worked on 744 heavy maintenance it would appear that the fixed passenger oxygen supply cylinder is located in tha
96 NA : Of the more than 600 744s built not one had an accident due to technical reasons. And that over 19 years. The 744 is one of the safest planes ever bu
97 ANstar : Yes - Engineers were found to have blocked toilets as well as put staples on some aircraft blaming it on O/S contractors when in fact an investigatio
98 Pmk : Okay, not to cause speculation but I have a "what if" question. If the oxygen bottle did cause the breach would all the passengers still receive oxyge
99 Propjett : Maybe the sudden depresurization caused the door sensor to improperly show a problem. Sounds feasible to me......the aircraft did experience a sudden
100 Lincoln : There's what appears to be an open panel (with the door still attached) just aft of the damaged area... anyone know what this is? First thought that
101 Propjett : If you watch the video on CNN's homepage, you can see that it was, in fact (the fasten seatbelt sign) on....(albeit via the ife screen in the seatbac
102 KiwiRob : I've had approx 200 flights in the past 18 months which I think would put me in the experienced traveller group, several of my colleagues have had ov
103 Geo772 : That is an access panel for the ram air inlet door actuator for one of the air conditioning packs. And will be totally unrelated to the rest of the e
104 Lincoln : Thanks! Lincoln (I'm no better than the media, really )
105 Post contains links Allrite : Do the Qantas 747's use a central emergency oxygen supply (gaseous manifold system) or a chemical generation system (distributed throughout the cabin
106 EBGflyer : On the pictures you can obviously see luggage through the hole. Wonder if they dropped any inflight?
107 Typhaerion : I think we can say for a near certainty that if some luggage is plugging the hole, there was some loss. Just how much is the real question. Though it
108 David L : I wouldn't exectly call this a non-event and I think on this occasion the story hasn't been terribly over-dramatised.
109 Post contains links Sandyb123 : I haven't noticed any mention on the news or on this thread but has anyone considered the B-word? Also, some onboard video footage on BBC: http://new
110 Oldeuropean : Why? So far there is no indication for a bomb. In my eyes it looks more like a failure of the structure of the fusselage. Axel
111 VH-BZF : They use a gaseous manifold system, not like the B767/B737 & A330's which all have chemical generated O2 systems. I understand that QF are using the
112 PanAm1971 : Well done to the crew. Buy em a six pack.
113 PanAm1971 : Did a damn good job getting her down. Well done.
114 YULYMX : Bravo for Crew and Pilot and first Officer on Quick reaction!
115 PanHAM : Have a close look. Not quite sure myself, but i believe this is rather a freight palett. This does not look like luggage but rather some freight whic
116 JAL : Well done to the plane's crew for maintaining your professionalism and for not panicking and landing the plane safely with no injuries or fatalities!
117 PanAm1971 : I'd say this was a very serious event. I'm very glad everyone is ok. I'm looking forward to the results of the investigation. I don't see any pitting
118 Post contains links EBGflyer : Here's a video from the cabin: http://www.infocast.dk/bt/mediamaker.php?id=4189&category=187
119 HiJazzey : BZF, The fibreglass fairing is purely aerodynamic. It's not part of the pressure vessel, so damage to it is unlikely to be a cause for depressurisatio
120 PanAm1971 : Popped off perhaps after a pressure rupture from the pressure vessel underneath? Must have been quite a pop of pressure.
121 PanAm1971 : Very lucky that the fairing didn't strike an engine.
122 Yak42 : Was just thinking there what a passenger on another aircraft at Manilla would think if they saw the damaged QF 744 landing or taxiing to the terminal
123 YULYMX : Was the Plane a regular B744 or an B744 ER? Thank's
124 Post contains links CO777ER : Yeah, to some degree. However the engines are at least 30 something feet from where the incident occured. (if not more) http://www.airliners.net/airc
125 OA260 : Very true
126 Pilot21 : Looking at the separation of the fairing, it seems a little too uniform around the rivet points to have caused the original incident, as you suggest,
127 Starlionblue : Not to disparage the obviously well trained and professional pilots who did a good job, but their effort was hardly landing the LEM on the Moon. From
128 PanAm1971 : Not to be argumentative, but I would suggest that the fairing hitting an engine might pose more problems than simply a loss of thrust. Just my opinio
129 Jetfuel : 747-400 first reg 1991
130 PanAm1971 : Anyone have an idea on what the decent rate down from 34K to 10K is in that situation? What is the SOP?
131 YULYMX : Thank you!
132 Post contains links SInGAPORE_AIR : Qantas plane suffered corrosion THE Qantas plane forced to make an emergency landing in the Philippines after a massive hole opened up in its fuselage
133 Post contains links Singapore_Air : Qantas emergency landing could have been caused by spilled coffee Experts said the dramatic incident was most likely to have been caused by either cor
134 Oroka : Looks like metal fatigue of the wing root panel, maybe even the fasteners. Bottom half was weak enough to pop, looks like the ones near the top held s
135 Access-Air : Well, it doesnt look like its the cargo door to me.....However, had it been the actual cargo door this flight might have had a repeat of what happend
136 Movingtin : The wing root panel does NOT Hold cabin pressure in. it is simply for aerodynamics. The fuselage barrel underneath ruptured and the panel failed when
137 Starlionblue : Fair enough. But a fairing isn't exactly an anvil. It's just strong enough to keep its shape int he slipstream. The pylon and engine housing are like
138 D L X : The article is in an Australian news source - they drive on the opposite side of the road there. To them, the "Driver's side" is the right side of th
139 Jumbojet : is the plane repairable?, If it is, can it be deemed safe to be ferried to a Qantas facility for repair, or will it have to remain in Manila for repai
140 Contrails : I'm certainly glad that all the pax are ok. Just my opinion, but it looks to me like we came very close to losing a 747, the crew, and the pax. A coup
141 Spacecadet : I don't think it would make much difference to anybody involved if it was the cargo door or wing fairing that damaged the engines, if that had actual
142 AutoThrust : IMO this successfull and safely landing with such a decompression demonstrates what a great plane the 747 is and its high quality. Well done Qantas &
143 AutoThrust : Doublepost, Apologizes.[Edited 2008-07-25 08:33:38]
144 PanAm1971 : There is no doubt that the 747 is a tough tough bird. However, I really hope this isn't another metal fatigue issue...
145 Boeing747_600 : especially a hole that close to the wing-body fairing
146 Flyglobal : Doesn't have LH Technic a facility in Manila? Maybe they are not prepared to that one, but at least its a chance to find some roof (? don't know how
147 PanAm1971 : I think that plane is staying on the ground until every millimeter is carefully inspected for damage and fatigue.
148 PanAm1971 : LOL! Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's just something I've felt as a passanger. Way to sentimental (or just mental) for this forum.
149 \'Longreach\' : What I want to know is what idiot was operating an electrical device (the video camera/phone camera) on landing? You would think passengers would pay
150 Flyglobal : The issue with the floor crack makes me wonder if there is any regulation or test covering a sudden decompression of the load compartment/ undercarria
151 Jetfuel : Questions still unanswered 1. When did the a/c have it's last D check? 2. Have we established whether #3 or #4 engine ingested any debris? 3. Was ther
152 Enilria : The good news is that the passengers are not "lost" on a Pacific island in a time warp and inhabited by polar bears and crazy research scientists, bu
153 Shany : First, good to hear, that it didn't come to a fatal accident. Now, maybe someone might be missing his/her luggage and that wouldn't have to do with co
154 Richierich : 150 posts and nobody has written "QUANTAS" yet.....! I can laugh because I think we all know that this could have been really, really bad. Thankfully
155 Derik737 : I'm sure there was no change in the flight characteristics with this damage. This appears and should have been a proper emergency descent to 10,000 f
156 TheCol : That would be my guess, possibly something to do with undeclared dangerous goods.
157 NA : Are you serious? Unless they don´t find other major issues on this aircraft this is just a midsized repair job.
158 Pilot21 : 1) Don't know 2) Irish pax speaking to the Irish National Broadcast Company (RTE) claims that 2 engines were shut down by the Captain - not verified
159 Post contains links and images Singapore_Air : News.com.au's front page declares VH-OJK a "rust bucket" "The most recent maintenance check on this aircraft were for a 'D' [most thorough] check in Q
160 Litz : Looking at this picture (which is pasted several times up in the thread), the 'items' hanging out the hole don't neccesarily look like baggage to me
161 DocLightning : What bird flies at FL 290?
162 Gatorman96 : No doubt this plane is repairable, it is only a matter of if it is worth it once the extent of corrosion is discovered. Bar-Headed geese...Migrate fro
163 Jawed : It's good to see the A.net armchair heroes on the forum, lecturing us about how a 20,000 ft rapid descent is not the same thing as a "plunge", and acc
164 Post contains links Scbriml : After the THY DC-10 incident, aircraft floors have to be able to withstand a decompression. Many, if not all, have vents along the side to relieve th
165 GDB : I suppose in one sense, you can see this as a tribute to the integrity of a modern jetliner, that it got down OK with a rather large hole in it. Worri
166 Lexy : My hats off to the crew! A job well done. That's what they train for and their professionalism showed through. Job well done indeed! I'm not speculat
167 Post contains links Skoorb : PIlot was John Bartels, incidentally a keen photographer with a few pictures on airliners.net. http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...John%20Bartels&d
168 Lexy : Do you think it was the same guy??? If so, that's wild!
169 Aileron11 : this came from local news here in jersey,The passengers will be given hotel accommodation while the aircraft is being repaired, looking at the damage
170 Apollo13 : Well im glad to hear that the plane landed safely. Good job to the pilots and crew for doing what they do best in situations like these.
171 F9Animal : I doubt it, as there would have to be alot more structural damage to even move that wing. But, I have to give kudos to the flight crew for getting he
172 United787 : Any photos from inside the cabin, I am interested to see the "collapsed floor"
173 FlyLKU : At what altitude and at what rate of decompression do occupants quickly (in tens of seconds) lose consciousness such as the Payne Stewart accident? I
174 BristolFlyer : Check out pic 2 in reply no. 45. Is this the collapsed floor (from the top deck) and ceiling (on the lower deck) that people are tlaking about? I rea
175 Propjett : Jezus Bezus you aren't serious are you? None of the media outlets are even suggesting that! .........Would have been much more damage.
176 Post contains links United787 : Why not? TWA Flight 840 in 1986 was a bomb and only caused a 1.4 m x 1.6 m hole, enough to take the lives of four people. http://aviation-safety.net/
177 Boeing747_600 : While the repair job may in itself be relatively routine, there are MAJOR corrosion and possibly metal fatigue issues that need to be investigated th
178 Propjett : I hope they packed for a few months.....
179 Shany : Sure? The name I heard of was Capt. John Francis Barters. Once more, glad to see no injured or fatalities and my highest compliments to the crew. Sha
180 Post contains links Oakmad : it would a huge deal for QF to jettison the airframe. They repaired the aircraft that over ran the runway at BKK: http://www.avweb.com/news/news/1842
181 David L : I suspect they didn't take off from LHR above Maximum Take-off Weight, let alone be above MTOW by the time they reached Manilla. Is it likely they co
182 LHR777 : Not possible, because the QF30 routes LHR-HKG-MEL and was around an hour out of HKG on the second sector of it's journey. I doubt there's any way an
183 MadameConcorde : Were there any Australian government related officials on board this Qantas flight? Please don't see anything "consipracy related" about my question.
184 Post contains links Jasp25 : Chronology of events: source: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/new...rrifying-45-minutes-onboard-Qantas -jasp
185 Cadet57 : I've been on a plane a few times but idk about you but if i was told there was a GAPING HOLE in my plane, id be a bit concerned. haha thats great...
186 David L : My point exactly. It was meant in the "think about it" sense.
187 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : An Aloha 732 also amazingly survived a serious metal fatigue incident in 1988 Unfortunately one flight attendant was killed. That aircraft was 19 yea
188 Tcv : Just out of tongue-in-cheek curiosity, I have the following questions: Did the plane suddenly fill up with lots of loose sheets of white paper? Were m
189 Post contains images Climb1 : That totally made me Looking at this picture I can imagine what words were on the captains mind when he first saw that hole. IMG from BBC news websit
190 Mutu : well despite the (understandable) passenger distress and (over) reaction it looks to me from the photo that the "blow out" panel design of modern jets
191 United1 : Weird coincidence but UA811 wasn't due to metal fatigue in the fuselage IIRC it had something to do with the latches for the cargo doors disengaging
192 Soon7x7 : Am I the only one that sees an explosion of small magnitude that BLEW OFF the composite wing fairing? The skin and stringers are missing, about a 4'x6
193 Mutu : Absolutely right, UA811 was due to a short circuit that released semi latched door clasps in mid flight. The door was effectively released and blew o
194 PlaneHunter : What a nonsense. How long will it take until people learn to stop generalising? Ever heard about yellow press? PH
195 Soon7x7 : Not all in flight explosions have resulted in catastrophy...the above mentioned TWA 727, Also, terrorists had set off grenades in the first class cab
196 Richierich : No, its OK to ask and you shouldn't have your head bitten off for insinuating it could have been terrorism. Right now, we just don't know. I would sa
197 Pumaknight : HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
198 Post contains links ElbowRoom : No, I think that's the majority view so far. Question is, was it: 1. 'Just' an explosive decompression following a failure of the fuselage. The lap j
199 OA260 : CNN have mentioned recent issues with corrosion and bad maintenance at QF engineering.
200 Singapore_Air : Was that just now? If so I'll try and catch it in the next hour's bulletin. Currently watching Big Brother
201 PanHAM : I mentioned that in my reply 115. To me that also rather looks like cargo build up on a flat with plastic cover and net.
202 David L : Oops... since a passenger was quoted as saying there was a hole that hadn't been there "when they left HKG", my point isn't valid. I guess it depends
203 ANstar : Yes it could be repaired, but if this airframe has a history of corrosion and they are starting to retire 744's as A380's come online, will thye both
204 BlackProjects : It will get repaired afte a complete Check over and investigation. The Only Birds that can Cause said Bird strikes at hi altitude are Canadian Geese W
205 Post contains links 1821 : The aircraft appeared to be missing a plate of its metal skin at the joint where the front of the right wing attaches to the plane. A curved line of r
206 StealthZ : Have to wonder why folk make absolute type statements while blatantly ignoring the facts... Canadian Geese hardly even make it into the list of high
207 Hiflyer : FIrst off pallets and containers go under vertical restraint guides so I would first think it was palletized/netted cargo that got loose....except I c
208 KELPkid : Has anyone considered the possibility that a piece of ground equipment that utilized this door, for example, a catering truck, may have caused some da
209 KELPkid : And, to make matters worse, for 2/3rds of the world's population, that's the "wrong" side of the plane Only 1/3rd of the world's population drives to
210 StealthZ : But you need to remember it was an Australian passenger being quoted in an Australian Newspaper for an Australian audience.
211 Doug_Or : It would probably only have damaged the fairing, which I don't think is part of the pressure vessel.
212 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...t.emergency/index.html#cnnSTCVideo I just wanted to throw this in there... If you watch the video...you'll noti
213 747MegaTop : Experienced off duty pilot or any other crew member in the cabin, yes, would probably be calm. Experienced (with what?) passenger remaining calm? Def
214 Jrheilig : I find it amusing (and thankfully nobody was hurt) that passengers were sure a door had "popped" (impossible with a plug type door, btw - it's never h
215 ATP2033 : Whatever it was that caused this almost certainly came from the inside to out IMO. The wing to fuse fairing is, as previously stated purely aerodynami
216 TheSonntag : I would agree with this statement on the 747-400, which has one of the best safety rates of an airliner ever achieved, but the 747 classic, while saf
217 Post contains links Comorin : The Times thinks it might have been a bomb: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4396805.ece
218 Soon7x7 : The damaged area of pressure vessel evident in the press photos has no production seems, this area has located continuous running stringers. I agree
219 Jbernie : I claim no technical experience with any aircraft... and haven't read through all the posts but will take an educated guess at the cause based on the
220 Cchan : Some of these African and South American airlines have very good standards, to be fair. Polar bears never existed on Pacific Islands, and these "craz
221 Post contains images 1821 : I have scanned an ilustration of the Quantas jet from the local newspaper here in SYD. Sorry for the quality but i'd thought i's hare it with the worl
222 Soon7x7 : Have you ever seen a D check on a 747?...it should be referred to as a D & R check for , Destroy and Rebuild! The 747 for example has characteristica
223 Post contains links NetJetAndy : Leave it to the foreign press to get the best pictures and witness comments without being overly sensational. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pa
224 SKA380 : Although i dont want to speculate in what has happened in this near tragedy, i do know this: From working on several aircraft types myself, i know tha
225 Starlionblue : Lucky, sure, but let's not discount the engineering: Indeed. Planes are incredibly rugged and designed so that damage should not spread. The other ex
226 Post contains images Jetfuel : Now I wonder how this would have ended half way across the Pacific or Indian Ocean? Pic above - The UA811 flight (well done to that flight crew as we
227 ANstar : Being in SYD you should know it is QANTAS I said it could be repaired.... but whether or not it makes financial sense is another thing as the 744 fle
228 1821 : Bugger sorry mate i was in a rush. Cheers for the correction!!!
229 Spacecadet : There's not 500+ mph of wind resistance. The air speed was probably around 260 knots or so, maybe less. At cruise, they're going by MACH, and the hig
230 ZK-NBT : All QF have said is that they will reduce 744 utilization as more A380s are delivered, I don't think QF will retire any 744's until probably early 20
231 United1 : Actually Boeing did and does account for metal fatigue when they design their aircraft, there are tear strips/rip stops built into the skin/ribibng o
232 Zkpilot : Central O2 suppy system from tanks in the hold. Regular 744... with RR engines... QF also has regular 744 with GE engines, and its 744ER also have GE
233 Tsaord : It seems some aviation buffs feel when stuff like this happens everything is routine and not that big of a deal. You know very well that if something
234 Post contains links Jetfuel : You might also be interested to read a previous post that I started http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...03714&s=qantas+fleet+age#ID3203714 "Back to
235 Post contains links Dc10s2hnl : Went over some folks' heads... There was no malice involved in the humorous statement, it was a reference to the tv show "Lost"! http://en.wikipedia.
236 Ikramerica : If you reread the initial reactions, it was not that it wasn't a major event, it was that the rapid descent was being attributed to the decompression
237 Post contains links United1 : Well at least one person from the BBC reads this forum.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7526637.stm ""Sources tell me the launch date has f
238 Starlionblue : Pan Am 103 was definitely a bomb. TWA 800 was a a fuel explosion. Hardly the same as a panel peeling off due to maintenance/design issues. Of course
239 Post contains images DingDong : Nah, they just listed it as one of possibilities to cover their collective gluteus maximus. They weren't doing much more than what-if'ing, really. It
240 David L : Well, not any more.
241 AcNDTTech : Being an aircraft NDT technician, I have noticed a few things that point to the possible problem. 1. It doesn't look much like metal fatigue. Metal fa
242 BNEFlyer : Just to let everyone know, this thread just got a plug on Channel 7 news in Brisbane, and probably everywhere else in Australia!
243 OHLHD : Very well done by the pilots! Will be interesting to know what caused this huge hole!
244 Buckfifty : If you're talking about TAS, then it is possible. Commonplace in fact for the jumbo. IAS, as you said, becomes relatively useless at high altitudes,
245 Post contains links QANTAS747-438 : The LA Times just released a great video from inside the cabin. Things look calm... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...qantas26-2008jul26,0,504988
246 Jamesjoyce : One day I sat in the LHR Sheraton when a QF-crew came-in from an extremely bad flight in adverse weather conditions during landing. Without even chec
247 Skippy777 : It sure looks like explosive went of inside. If you see the sharp edges pointing outwards this means the pressure came from the inside I also notice s
248 HAWK21M : Could the cause be:- 1.Explosion in the Fwd bulk hold. 2.Structural weakness in the fuselage area. The fairing obviously blew off due to airloads caus
249 Pilotdude09 : Still got 45 mins till the 6pm news starts over this way so will have to see if they mention it!
250 Skippy777 : Lucky the are still one of the few airlines without a fatal accident. But they where lucky this time and the one in Bangkok a few years ago
251 BNEFlyer : They don't actually mention it, they just show it on screen. A.Net isn't shown, but those who love her know that blue screen and font anywhere!
252 Post contains links Christopherwoo : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7526637.stm "Qantas boss Geoff Dixon has denied that rust caused a hole in the body of the plane that wa
253 Pilotdude09 : Yep, managed to see it. But cant find the post that was shown. had red writing in it about the check in March at Avalon. Also Geoff Dixon says that Q
254 CupraIbiza : Flashed on the screen really quickly didnt it. Thought I was seeing things for a second. It was quite bizarre. The post was by EK413 as per United1 a
255 Ruscoe : Late news in Brisbane is reporting that a small explosion within luggage is a possible cause. Ruscoe
256 AcNDTTech : Technically, I guess you could say that he is correct since aluminum doesn't "rust." Rust is iron oxide. The by-product of aluminum corrosion is alum
257 QANTAS077 : funniest thing is that EK413 is only a kid, not even more than 15 y/o and he's being quoted by newspapers...where are you EK413?
258 1821 : Just letting evry1 know that just released info on this terrible event. I've been reading ninemsn about 15 min ago and aircraft authorities in Manila
259 Comorin : No problem! Question: When an aircraft has to dive in an emergency, how does it avoid all the traffic below, especially in busy corridors? Many thank
260 Jetfuel : Normally you would declare an emergency and request an emergency descent. Its not legal to just descend without a clearance although if I was over th
261 QFTJT : Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) will give guidance to pilots where fitted.
262 Post contains links OA260 : http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...fuselage%2Bin%2Bcorrision%2Bdebate The Melbourne-bound Boeing 747, which blew a two-metre hole in its fuselage,
263 Post contains links Skystar : From the IHT. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/26/asia/26qantas.php
264 Pliersinsight : I would disagree. See FAR 91.3(b) In an emergency, you can break the rules. I wouldn't ask for clearance to begin an emergency descent, I would put o
265 Shany : In case you encounter a TCAS avoidance advisory you will follow it and notify ATC by "xxx, in a TCAS climb (or descend or whatever else it commands)"
266 Comorin : Thank you! So if you were the commander of this aircraft, with only seconds to spare, is this what you would do? 1. Put on your mask. 2. Steep dive m
267 B767 : Can the simple reason for the accident be that the plane wasn,t a Douglas bird made in Long Beach?Have something like this ever happend to a DC9 or MD
268 Post contains links CB97 : CBC is now reporting that no signs of corrosion were found near the hole... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/26/qantas.html
269 Post contains images Barney Captain : Remember, its an emergency, but that doesn't mean you're in a hurry. The only thing that needs to be done "with seconds to spare" is put on the mask.
270 Post contains links Singapore_Air : Oxygen masks failed: passengers "The oxygen masks were f----d," Mr Saunders told The Sunday Age at Melbourne International Airport. "The elastic was s
271 Pianos101 : This reminds me of an aviation fiction book I read a while back. It was written by a pilot (not john nance, another one) and it was about an airliner
272 Smeg : Ah! but is the Bar Headed Goose at derated T/O, or close to its MTOW??? There are three main emergency "squawks" or transponder settings. 7500 - Hija
273 KELPkid : 7700 = Emergency, but one must remember: 1) Aviate 2) Navigate 3) Communcate (in that order...)
274 MadameConcorde : Dixon said no corrosion. As the CEO of Qantas I don't think it is of his interest to go talking stories in his press conferences. Now why would it be
275 ScrubbsYWG : i'm sure with something like 300+people aboard, there could be someone from some country related to a government(not necessarily austalian). However,
276 David L : Does that tank have anything to do with pressurisation? Because a "massive" explosion would be misleading? What? That there was a rupture in the pres
277 MadameConcorde : Thank you Scrubbs. A lot of good sense. There is no matter of 'conspiracy'. This is not any 9/11 type event. Just wondering. With a gasping hole in t
278 Jpax : Anyone else notice that the CNN video has Qantas spelled as "Quantas?"
279 Crownvic : Did the captain walk around the plane and then decide to write a thank you note to Mr. Boeing, like the Captain of Trans Global flight 2 the Argosy fl
280 OzGlobal : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...3.stm "Foreign press"?? Qantas is Australian, BBC is British; you're American; What 'foreign'
281 AcNDTTech : No, the oxygen tank(s) aren't for cabin pressurization. That is from the bleed air. The pressurized oxygen tanks are for the crew and pax for use un
282 Comorin : Thank you gentlemen for taking the time to explain! It's what makes a.net so great.
283 NetJetAndy : I must say I am both cofused and baffled at your question. I am from the USA, BBC is from Britain meaning it is foreign press. Is there something Im
284 Smeg : With the failure of the pressure vessel (fuselage) - essentially a large bomb in itself, the gaping hole is a near certainty, as is the removal of th
285 Aviators99 : What do FARs have to do with flight in southeast Asia???
286 Post contains links MSYtristar : Possible explosion of oxygen tanks. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4384017.ece
287 Post contains links Chrisrad : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4384017.ece Seems the small explosion theory is looking ore likely.. "INVESTIGATORS are focusi
288 TheCommodore : In Sydney this morning The Sun Herald reports that... "Safety experts last night were investigating the possibility the explosion was caused by a faul
289 Post contains links 1821 : Here is the ninemsn link http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=604369
290 OzGlobal : Simply underling that this is an international forum, your audience is international, the event was Australian and 'foreign' is a completely relative
291 Starlionblue : Not that I'm an expert but I thought Pan Pan Pan was not the most serious level of emergency. Wouldn't they declare an emergency instead? Maybe I'm g
292 Allrite : The issues with the oxygen masks must be dealt with, but this guy is an idiot. Retrieving your passport, while convenient to you, is not a survival a
293 Aviators99 : Do these O2 tanks feed the quick-don masks that the pilots use? If so, were they without supplemental O2 during the emergency descent???
294 Post contains links Aviateur : Media coverage of this incident has varied from respectable (in a few cases) to horrendous (mostly). I'm reminded of the Alaska Airlines depressurizat
295 1821 : Personally i think just about evryone is over dramatising this event i.e the arm-chair ceo's are turning a worm into a snake. Let's leave it to the ex
296 DocLightning : No, they just go the whole hog and lose elevator trim and crash into the drink off Point Mugu. This business of saying that a plane crashed because i
297 TheCommodore : Some reports are suggesting the pilots did not have oxygen supply and that cockpit instrument lighting was also cut. However, we all now how unreliab
298 DiscoverCSG : I think it's simply because a Boeing (i.e. American-built) plane was involved. Right?
299 DocLightning : I will repeat: if you were in a precision-engineered, highly-technologically advanced machine weighing 300,000+Kg traveling at ~1000 km/h at 10,000 o
300 1821 : I never said it wasn't serious , it was very serious i just think that people should wait for the experts to determine the cause before we all have o
301 ScrubbsYWG : one of the articles i read today said soemthing along the lines of due to international treaties, the NTSB is part of the investigation because the p
302 Starlionblue : AFAIK the system is separate. In any case the pilot masks dispense oxygen in a very different way, ensuring a supply. If a few pax pass out, that's u
303 Aviators99 : My question was whether or not the O2 tanks in question actually feed the separate system?
304 Qantasclub : Like most people here, I can only feel a sense of incredible relief for those on board that there was no loss of life and everything in the end turned
305 Smi0006 : Because Dixon is a business man and will be in damage control at the moment attempting to ensure that this event has min effect on his business, his
306 Zkpilot : Firstly that wasn't my quote you used thered, but interesting story never-the-less! In this situation it would be a Mayday call as it is a fullon eme
307 JetMech : IIRC, the pilots oxygen system consists of an entirely separate manifold and bottled supply of gas. I really don't remember if there is any interconn
308 Aviators99 : Sounds like they might have been using these if the reports are correct that the O2 bottles are the ones for the cockpit.
309 OldAeroGuy : Maintaining the same heading isn't a good idea if it takes you into high terrain. Flying over high terrain, like the Andes, Himalayas, or even some p
310 Post contains links BNE : Please continue with part 2: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4082680/
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