CodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10909 times:
Hello....just read that a 747-100 converted into a restaurant in Seoul carries the reg N747PA. Is this THE N747PA, Clipper Juan T. Trippe. Was the fuselage and wings ferried to Seoul?
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10780 times:
According to the information I found at http://www.airfleets.net, N747PA was scrapped. I don't know if that means parts were salvaged, and while that is possible, I would guess it more likely that an entrepreneur simply used the old registration. I can't think of any reason why that plane in particular was be so prized in Korea - there is no special connection that I know of.
Any Koreans know firsthand?
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Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 774 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10750 times:
Quoting CodyKDiamond (Thread starter): Hello....just read that a 747-100 converted into a restaurant in Seoul carries the reg N747PA. Is this THE N747PA, Clipper Juan T. Trippe. Was the fuselage and wings ferried to Seoul?
747PA was cut up in SBD and shipped to Seoul in 42 shipping containers. I was working in SBD was cool watching them cut it up.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 7090 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10542 times:
It´s in Mokpo City. I found this rather interesting webpage about it. The pictures are new (from July). It doesn´t seem to be in good condition and it says its under renovation. Seems the wings have been slightly cut off.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2363 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10517 times:
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 7090 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10508 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 5): I wonder why they painted her like a VC-25...
Yes, a PA-ish scheme would definitely be more appropriate as the AF1 scheme hasn´t been adopted consequently enough (white tail!) to make it recognisable for non-aviation buffs.
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2259 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10280 times:
I have always wanted to open a restaurant with an old 744, but yet doubt any city center could hold a fully intact plane, as well as a miniture "airport terminal" complete with jet bridges. Those waiting for a table could sit at the gate holding onto their boarding passes, while "gate agents" announce on the PA and on video monitors when certain parties are able to board. The gate agent will then escort them down the jetway into the 744 at L2. For the more intimate "F" dining experience, they could sit in the nose section; if there's a "J" function, meetings could be held on the upper deck, and for families or friends just having fun, they can sit in the "Y" with "more legroom than coach" spacing of the tables as well as a nice bar!
What a dream!
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Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10196 times:
N747PA was scrapped in San Bernadino, Ca. (the old Norton AFB.)
Pliersinsight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10142 times:
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 9): I have always wanted to open a restaurant with an old 744, but yet doubt any city center could hold a fully intact plane, as well as a miniture "airport terminal" complete with jet bridges. Those waiting for a table could sit at the gate holding onto their boarding passes, while "gate agents" announce on the PA and on video monitors when certain parties are able to board. The gate agent will then escort them down the jetway into the 744 at L2. For the more intimate "F" dining experience, they could sit in the nose section; if there's a "J" function, meetings could be held on the upper deck, and for families or friends just having fun, they can sit in the "Y" with "more legroom than coach" spacing of the tables as well as a nice bar!
If US/LCC ran it, you'd have to pay for your seat and your meal. Doggie bags would be $25 and there would be a good chance that once seated, you might be asked to get bumped from the restaurant for standbys.
Fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9142 times:
To get a bird's-eye - er, sattelite - view, click here:
Jogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8732 times:
Quoting STNDEICER (Reply 14): can this be seen on google earth? I have tried looking but can't see it
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2020 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7874 times:
Sad to see N747PA end up this way. She should've ended up at the NASM at Dulles or at least gotten her "nose" in the facility on the Mall in DC as N601US did.
I caught a ride on her from FRA to IAD in the late 80s before PA collapsed... felt privileged to have done so...
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BlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7056 times:
A couple of old Stored retired 747s have been painted like Air Force 1 for movie work in the past.
Stickers From South Africa, joined Sep 2007, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6895 times:
Personally, and it really is just my personal opinion, but i think that as it stands is a terribly undignified end. Fake engines that aren't even close to looking like the real thing, the dirt, the modifications for the catering equipment, the paint job, all of which have been horrifically done. I can't help wondering if she wouldn't have been better off scrapped completely. That said though, if the renovations are really good, and the funder has deep pockets, things may be different. But for now, its just sad.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 11640 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 17): Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
there is no special connection that I know of.
Maybe b/c they wanted the first 747 that went into PAX service? I would have thought this would have been saved and in a measum myself.
It was the first 747 off the line (apart from Boeing's prototype) but it wasn't the first 747 in revenue passenger service. Pan Am's inaugural 747 flight JFK-LHR on January 22, 1970 used N736PA, and if not mistaken it was a last minute substitution for the originally-scheduled aircraft, N733PA, which had some mechanical problems, probably related to the chronic JT9D engine problems during the 747's first year or more of service.
Unfortunately, N736PA was lost in the Tenerife collision on March 27, 1977.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6847 times:
MAC26000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5244 times:
CodyKDiamond From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4829 times:
Quoting OA412 (Reply 21): Agreed. What a sad end for such a historic aircraft.
I agree. But, I do think this is better than being scrapped. She doesn't deserve to be a fake AF1 in Korea. The best place for her would be the NASM/Udvar-Hazy Museum. But hey, at least she is here.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 8304 posts, RR: 39 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4759 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 16): Sad to see N747PA end up this way.
Quoting Stickers (Reply 19): but i think that as it stands is a terribly undignified end.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 21): Agreed. What a sad end for such a historic aircraft.
Quoting CodyKDiamond (Reply 23): Agreed. What a sad end for such a historic aircraft.
Apparently y'all missed this:
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 11): N747PA was scrapped in San Bernadino, Ca. (the old Norton AFB.)
[Edited 2008-07-26 19:57:42]
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25 Afay1: Apparently y'all missed the second post that further explains...
27 JAGflyer: I'm not impressed with this plane. It's filthy, the paint job is crap and the engines look so stupid. Not to mention the Engrish probably contained in
28 JAGflyer: If I understand right, N747PA was cut into pieces and brought to Seoul to be assembled. So this is the real 747PA?
29 FATFlyer: That photo was taken "USA - California, November 1993". Hhmmmm.
30 Cadet57: Did you read what I highlighted? EQUALS- BROKEN UP-2000...
31 Cadet57: Via airfleets.net http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-19639.htm Boeing 747 - MSN 19639 Last Airline Aeroposta Status : Scrapped Last Registra
32 FATFlyer: Over at rzjets.net it says: http://rzjets.net/aircraft/aircraftIndex.php?typeid=50
33 FATFlyer: Broken up but it does not say into how many pieces.
34 Cadet57: Interesting. However I wonder that if the owner painted N747PA on the fuselage, if some people believe that is the one and only 747PA thus logging it
35 Acheron: Still is a sad and undignified end for an aircraft, regardless if it is the real N747PA or not.
36 FATFlyer: There are a few other sites that also say the fuselage went to South Korea. I found an Air Classics Magazine archive from April 2000. In it a letter
37 NA: B/U means dismantled in this case. Cut into some parts, shipped and reconstructed in South Korea. Not every entry in the internet fleetlists like air
38 BAW716: I'd rather have a 747-100 to build a house. THAT would be the ultimate historic preservation...plus very cool for aviation buffs like me. Of course, I
39 Carledwards: can anyone confirm this is definately N747PA however, and not just some old 747 parts cobbled together? Also I think it is a slight shame people on h
40 AznMadSci: That reminds me ... does anyone know or remember if it is true that Billy Crystle has a bathroom modeled after an airplane lav? Also ... your post re
41 Boeing767mech: Umm I forgot to also say I have a freind that knows the guy that runs the business that did the work, and he told us of how they reassemblied it. So
42 Ned Kelly: If you click on the link given in post 5 which takes you to the restaurant's web site, there is a picture half way down titled "Jumbo 747 Restaurant's
43 United_Fan: I'd love to see the interior. The exterior looks real rough! I wonder how they took it apart and got certain sections into sea-land containers (i imag
44 Boeing767mech: Here she is being cut up in pieces to be shipped in containers for Korea. http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=211589 David
45 United_Fan: I wonder why it wasn't ferried? But,by judging by that one pic where there's a gash near the nose gear and its turned at a real bad angle,i'm not surp
46 Boeing767mech: Because it was a shell of a airplane, there was no cockpit since it was stripped, hell it didn't even have nose wheel steering actuators when we pull
47 United_Fan: Sorry,I didn't know it was stripped..still must have cost alot !!
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