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User currently offlineSV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 267 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12715 times:

This is from BBC website:

"A plane was forced to make an emergency landing in Germany after two British women tried to open a cabin door mid-flight, police have said.

The women, aged 26 and 27, were drinking heavily and had to be held in their seats by security staff until the plane landed in Frankfurt.

They were then arrested, a spokesman for the Frankfurt force said.

The flight was on its way from the Greek island of Kos to Manchester when the incident happened.

The incident happened at an altitude of 10,000 metres, according to Reuters news agency.

Hartmut Scherer, a spokesman for police at Frankfurt International Airport, said the women had become violent with flight attendants over Austria.

The 26-year-old woman is reported to have repeatedly tried to strike a flight attendant with a vodka bottle she had carried with her on the plane after the crew refused to serve the pair any more alcohol.

Reuters said she then tried, unsuccessfully, to unlatch a nearby cabin door.

"She evidently wanted to get some fresh air and tried to open the door, which obviously did not work," Mr Scherer is quoted as saying.

The women face charges of grievous bodily harm and violating air traffic regulations.

The plane later flew on to Manchester with a two-hour delay.

German media reported that the airline would charge the pair for the cost of the diversion."


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12676 times:

Maybe security checks should include a breath test for alcohol intoxication.  drunk 
Another case of boozed out pax acting stupid and putting others at risk. We seem to have more frequent incidents as to drunk pax and their bad behavior on board.
I do hope these two fools end up in jail and have to pay for the diversion and it gets lots of publicity to discourage it.


User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12670 times:

Classy......

Personally I would ban these people from flying....mind you I would ban them from leaving the confines of there own home!

Could you imagine being on this flight with this individual, this is why I don't fly Charter/LCC or economy for that matter LOL


User currently offline666Wizard From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12652 times:

Any word on carrier?

When will people learn the sky is not a place to get drunk and throw a tantrum? This behaviour is unacceptable anywhere on the ground, and would merit a severe fine (at least) and possible jail, but in the sky (especially messing with the aircraft exits, if that is what happened) is bordering on madness. I am sure the legal books are being readied to be hurled at this pair.

Having said all that, we don't have all the details yet, but it looks (at the moment) like the media can use "air rage!" headlines with this one.

Wasn't there an incident in Australia where a sozzled passenger tried to open an exit to have a cigarette?

Brian


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

Passengers fail to realize that the exits simply won't open at cruise...

User currently offlineUKCO From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12580 times:

British women coming back from Kos, this story didn't surprise me  

[Edited 2008-07-26 08:51:59]

User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12543 times:



Quoting 666Wizard (Reply 3):
Any word on carrier?

It was XL Airways flight XLA237 from Kos to Manchester last Wednesday operated by one of their 737-900's.

Darren



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Things like this happen from time to time, but I am surprised they could bring a bottle of vodka in the cabin in an EU flight.

User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17001 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12516 times:



Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Thread starter):
"She evidently wanted to get some fresh air and tried to open the door, which obviously did not work," Mr Scherer is quoted as saying.



Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Thread starter):
The incident happened at an altitude of 10,000 metres, according to Reuters news agency.

Wow, didnt know that it was fresh air so high up that we can breath  Wink



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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12511 times:



Quoting UKCO (Reply 5):
British women coming back from Kos, this story didn't surprise me

LMFAO


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12378 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
Things like this happen from time to time, but I am surprised they could bring a bottle of vodka in the cabin in an EU flight.

There aren't any restrictions on bringing bottles in to the cabin. They sell them onboard in anycase! As long as it's purchased past security, it's freely available to buy and trasport, ie duty free shopping (within duty free limits for import in to the UK).

Darren



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User currently offlineMcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12363 times:
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Darren says it was an XL 737-900, and the incident was last Wednesday, which I have no reason to doubt - so I wonder why it's only hit the BBC news pages today? A case of one big airliner story (QF hole in 747) generating interest in related topics?

In true BBC fashion of course, earlier versions of the page were illustrated not with a 737 (of any model and/or airline) but a 744... a slightly different beast.  Smile


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12305 times:



Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 10):
! As long as it's purchased past security,

Forgot about that, you're right, of course.


User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12123 times:



Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Thread starter):
The women face charges of grievous bodily harm and violating air traffic regulations.

Forget opening the cabin door. The girl's big mistake was trying to strike the flight attendant with the vodka bottle.

I would imagine that a charge of "grievous bodily harm...." is fairly serious.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12098 times:

It is not because they were drunk that they should be excused of their rowdy behaviour raising all this trouble while on board the charter flight.

I hope the two brainless chicks (I have no other name for them) will be sent to court and will have to pay a hefty amount for the diversion. Make them pay. Example should be set with this so others won't be tempted do much of the same in the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7527058.stm

"Reuters news agency reported that the 26-year-old woman tried to strike a flight attendant with a vodka bottle."

Awful.

Quoting SV777KiloAlpha (Thread starter):
German media reported that the airline would charge the pair for the cost of the diversion."




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12097 times:

I'm happy to hear this actually happens in other countries too. Usually these stories are American!

User currently offlineShuggie From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

I don't understand why so many people think that flying and inebriation go together hand in hand? Virtually every flight I get on these days seems to be made up of people who are drunk or are at least working on it (I've seen people knock back 3 or 4 drinks on the short hop EDI - BHX ). Personally I can't think of anything worse!

User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1216 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12016 times:

Its nothing wrong with having a few drinks and then board a plane. But charters to Kos, Ios, Ibiza (perhaps to much drugs there so people are friendly instead) Ayia Napa etc are not your family-holiday destination. These incidents happens every summer and comes as no surprise to anyone involved.
Most teenagers, early 20:ies on their booze and sex trips down to the Mediterranean islands does this. I mean these girls have just come back from 1 or 2 weeks of constant drinking, dancing and screwing every Tom, Dick and Harry. When the bus picking them up from their hotel arrives they are usually in the bar having one last quick pint.

Even trying breath tests on these flights would mean riots.

Me being cynical, absolutely, I worked as a touroperator rep for two summers in my youth and that made me absolutely comvinced that my daughters will never ever be allowed down to the med as long as they stay in my house.

However you might wonder when airlines will stop hiring these flyweight flighattendents, stating their primary task is security, and replace them with any bouncer from South London.
That would sort this problem out and the only cost would be the added weight for the heavier flight attendant.



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11967 times:



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 2):
Could you imagine being on this flight with this individual, this is why I don't fly Charter/LCC or economy for that matter LOL

Are you having a laugh? Statistics prove that passengers travelling business/first cause as many such incidents as those down the back or on a LCC/Charter.



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User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

I know that the physical forces would not allow the opening of a door midflight, but maybe they could devise some sort of mechinism to allow it, to show these dumbasses what would happen if they actually got the door open. I am sure seeing someone fall to their death would discourage that behavior in the future.


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User currently offlineHywel From Peru, joined Apr 2008, 771 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

Yep, definitely an XL Airways 737-900

http://www.thelocal.de/13299/20080725/


User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11855 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 18):
Are you having a laugh? Statistics prove that passengers travelling business/first cause as many such incidents as those down the back or on a LCC/Charter.

I don't think so, what statistics are you talking about here?


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11809 times:

I and many others are somewhat serious about keeping off drunk/drugged persons off flights. What if there was an emergency on a flight (like with Qantas the other day) or upon landing where people had to escape quickly from a burning a/c (like with AF in Toronto 2 years ago)? Their drunkenness or being stoned could put them and other pax at risk.
I know myself, I have never had more than 1-2 beers or drinks before or during a longer air flight mainly as want to keep my wits about me in case something happens or not annoy others with my intoxication or get home safely.
Pax as boarding for whom appear to be intoxicated at a level where it would be illegal to drive a car on public roads could be given a quick test by airport or airline security with handheld devices like those used by police at checkpoints to screen for DWI's. I believe the A&E network program 'Airline' showed how Southwest handled possibly intoxicated/drugged pax from boarding. Their policies probably means a lot less problems and ops costs for them from such persons.


User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11691 times:



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 2):
Could you imagine being on this flight with this individual, this is why I don't fly Charter/LCC or economy for that matter LOL



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 18):
Are you having a laugh? Statistics prove that passengers travelling business/first cause as many such incidents as those down the back or on a LCC/Charter.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have been told several times in training that that number of passengers who require the restraint kits to be used sat in Business or First Class outweighs that of those sat in economy.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11664 times:



Quoting Baexecutive (Reply 9):
LMFAO

Of course, nothing like this EVER happens on BA? Get off yer high horse,.



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Boeing747_600 : In fact they can often be much worse jerks than the Y class winos.
26 SAAB900 : According to the BBC News website XL Airways are "considering taking legal action against the women"! What is there to consider? They need to do it to
27 Baexecutive : Suppose it depends on what airline you travel on. Oh no it does happen, just not as often as other carriers ; )
28 Ukair : What a pair .. lock them up in the slammer
29 Gkirk : At least on charters you will land on the runway
30 Greggarious : Yeah, because us po' working folk sitting in the back are always looking to take you out with our bottles of Mad Dog or Colt 45... beware!!!!!!
31 Post contains links Baexecutive : [quote=Gkirk,reply=29]At least on charters you will land on the runway Indeed..... http://www.airparks.bizland.com/gerona1999.jpg
32 MTYFREAK : About how much money are we talking about here? just curious
33 Oasis : What does flying on a certain aircraft of even travel class have ANYTHING to do with how passengers behave? If you are sitting in your lovely first c
34 Baexecutive : I'm sorry, when did I mention flying on a certain aircraft? I take it you fly Um I think it does, Charter airlines cater for the package holiday whic
35 Post contains links Baexecutive : This is just a small sample of news articles on 'air rage' taken from various sources. http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/200.../jul/18/flights.theairli
36 Vincewy : I thought girls don't get violent (first I thought the offenders were men), at most they gossip, whine, and talk all day, guess I'm wrong.
37 GT4EZY : Absolute rubbish baexecutive. Of course there are incidents (such as the ones you have chosen) involving LCC's/Charter/Y passengers but these are matc
38 SuseJ772 : And the rest of us passengers are QUITE happy about this.
39 AirNZ : You trying to be funny, or saying something akin to 'business class pax' don't enjoy their free alcohol? Hell of an assumption you're making there, a
40 JAGflyer : No one is at risk by someone trying to open a door. It's impossible to open it.
41 KennyK : To be blunt the vast majority of the public are complete idiots when it comes to aviation matters. All they want is to get from the UK to their holida
42 Gkirk : That plane actually touched the runway before going off, whereas the BA one didn't come anywhere close to the runway
43 HAWK21M : Whats with Drunks......wanting to go outside the Aircraft Anything that can affect safe evacuation should be stopped.alcohol included. regds MEL
44 Andaman : Oh yes it happens. Finnair's HEL-BKK is one of the high risk routes
45 Jhooper : If someone is acting so intoxicated that they prompt anyone to want to do a breathalyzer on them, they're probably too drunk to board the plane. It's
46 Hywel : Don't forget, it's more 'socially acceptable' for a businessman to get drunk and cause problems on an aircraft. Now if a single mum from a council est
47 ChrisNH : The Captain should have one yellow button that he can push in selective situations when someone tries to open a door at altitude: "ALLOW."
48 Falcon790 : I dont even understand what the fuss is all about.... If I were there I would just watch them work themselves till they faint. Then I would lock them
49 Hywel : Because other passengers would get frightened and agitated, and there's a chance more viole nce would ensue. The rowdy passengers need to be taken of
50 Falcon790 : That's when you stick'em in the bathroom and lock'em in... or put them in the carry-on compartments
51 Hywel : Should actually be done, but not quite PC
52 Dazbo5 : Because situations can quickly get out of control. One aggressive passenger can quickly draw others in and you end up with a riot on your hands. Bett
53 LeftWing : :D ...JAA/FAA must work with legal authorities to enforce jail terms and heavy fines for such behaviour.
54 Baexecutive : Nah just prefer not to be exposed to the likes of this type of thing by travelling economy. Right on Likewise you can think whatever you want. Like I
55 Andaman :
56 AirNZ : However, to be equally blunt, and in complete fairness, why do you expect the "vast majority of the public" should know anything about aviation matte
57 Daleaholic : Have a word with yourself. BA probably gets just as much trouble with celebs and such, Naomi Campbell? Snoop Dogg? BA 777 which couldn't make the run
58 Baexecutive : And what does that have to do with this topic? [quote=Daleaholic,reply=57]The only major differences between BA and XL is the service on board legroo
59 Hywel : Firstly, the incident with the 777 is totally unrelated to this topic! Secondly, are you living in the real world with regards to this statement? BA
60 GT4EZY : I would say it depends where you are travelling. Some of my family members fly on charter atleast once a year but also fly various full service sched
61 Hywel : Of course not. You can't *wholly* stereotype passenger using charter airlines, as I'm sure at least 1/4 are decent, respectful people. However you ca
62 AirNZ : Exactly, and said like the little boy you really are.......now you can go and imagine that you're soooo important LOL!! As I said before, what you th
63 Planesarecool : You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and if you actually took your head out of your arse for five minutes you might learn a
64 Flyglobal : Its not duty free after security, but it is called 'travel value' inside EU27. regards Flyglobal
65 GT4EZY : Although i wouldn't say I drink 24 hours a day on holiday, at the end of August I will be going on my yearly trip to Magaluf. I'll get p*ssed whilst
66 Post contains images Olympus69 : I partly agree, but a better solution would be to have a small airlock that you would put the passenger in and tell him or her to push the red button
67 Baexecutive : Who rattled your cage? LOL Judging by your outburst you favour that type of holiday, which is great. Each to their own I suppose
68 Hywel : Agreed... each to their own
69 Post contains links UKCO : Here's a video of the arrest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7527873.stm
70 Dazbo5 : Sometimes some of the posters on this site come out with some strange stuff. I'm also one of those people who use charters regularly and find some of
71 Planesarecool : Which type of holiday would that be then? Fun, cheap and often alcohol fuelled holidays to Corfu and Majorca? Or 4-5 star All Inclusive holidays to C
72 Hywel : That's funny. I'm 20 but I have my own flat, I worked hard to get a well-paid job without going through university, and so when I pay £860 for busin
73 Planesarecool : Jealous? Most 20 year olds I know spend around £200 to go on holiday with mates to places like Greece and Spain, whether it be to drink, play golf o
74 GT4EZY : University education seldom has anything to do with it. I went to Uni but i have chosen, for the time being atleast, to stick with flying. Many of my
75 Baexecutive : Hmmm not two words I would put in the same sentence sorry. I would rather drag a pin over my eyes than spend two weeks in some 'hotel' in spain, but
76 Planesarecool : Correct, but you're no more 'superior' for it, despite what you may think. Interesting how in the past day or so, you've changed your profile under "
77 Hywel : Both actually. Part-time student with the Open University and full-time sales executive selling into Qatar and Saudi Arabia. I'm trying to change it
78 Dazbo5 : I don't often post like this but are you two on an ego trip or what? Your bickering is unhelpful, quite childish and of no relevance to this topic. Da
79 Baexecutive : here here
80 Gkirk : He's talking about you and Hywell
81 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : Another thread turned into a pi$$ing contest; ironic that whilst castigating the behaviour of these two women, some posters think it fine to post disp
82 Aviation : Sorry if anyone has already said this, as its a long thread to read through completely. But anyway, what do you think the amount of this charge would
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