B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6436 times:
I am sure that if the customer can charter a private jet they can afford the extra cost of flying into LHR. I am not familiar with flying into London, but I am sure it is much like NYC where there are multiple large commercial airports, and additional secondary commercial and private/corporate airports. Chances are it is a matter of convenience for the passenger. I work at JFK and quite a few private jets come in and go out on a regular basis even though there are plently of other airports to fly to in the NYC area.
As for where they park, there should be an FBO or General Aviation terminal where they go.
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I'm not sure how LHR works, but JFK is run by the NY/NJ Port Authority on a cost basis. That is, you get charged for the costs you impose, not by the value of the slot. This makes it cheaper and thus more attractive to use these airports.
[Edited 2008-07-26 12:24:12]
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Sfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6407 times:
Quoting Mcr (Reply 2): It's Saturday afternoon. LCY is closed, so if they can't land at an airport that's actually *in* London I guess they have to slum it and make do with the next best thing.
Ha ha, I hear ya!
Although I gotta say I do count LHR as a "London" airport. Anything inside the M25 is London as far as I'm concerned....it's like a little border control, if you can handle the M25 you can come into London....
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1): As for where they park, there should be an FBO or General Aviation terminal where they go.
Nope...depending on who they are, they either park at the Royal Suite, or over by the bmi hanger, on stands 701/702 or in that general vicinity. There is only one FBO at LHR - there used to be Signature Aviation, Hunting Aviation and Harrods Aviation, now there is only 'Signature Aviation', at Aviation House, by Terminal 4.
LHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6336 times:
For getting into Central London, if you're the sort of person who's going to have a chauffeur waiting, LHR is considerably more convenient than LTN or STN, and with ramp space at LCY at such a premium, it does continue to attract the very top end of the "rich and famous bizjet" market. However the amount of bizjets has of course gone down over the years and it could be argued that to squeeze maximum possible efficiency out of LHR, bizjets should be alienated completely. As it is, it earns BAA a massive amount of money and a fair number of the private jets coming into LHR are often carrying world leaders who, it could be argued, deserve the nearest and most convenient airport to Central London (LHR is also best equipped to handle VIP visits).
Nowadays the majority of bizjet traffic has headed to LTN, STN and, more and more often Farnborough and Biggin Hill.
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 7): they either park at the Royal Suite, or over by the bmi hanger, on stands 701/702 or in that general vicinity
Sometimes in the cargo cul-de-sac as well.
[Edited 2008-07-26 12:45:29]
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Sfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6333 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 7): Nope...depending on who they are, they either park at the Royal Suite, or over by the bmi hanger, on stands 701/702 or in that general vicinity.
So I'm guessing that people who can use the Royal Suite do not need to pass through immigration or customs but what about the other 'rich people'. Do they get bussed to one of the main terminals to clear immigration or is there a separate building for that?
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6196 times:
Very few bizjets actually use LHR - only 2-3 per day and generally only at "light" times 1400-1600 and late at night.
London is not that easy to operate into for bizjet operators as most airflields have some form of movement restrictions whether it be slot controls, limits on annual movements and/or restrictions at the weekend .. LHR, LTN, LGW, STN, LCY, Northolt, Farnborough all come into this category.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
Well since we're talking about private jets and LHR I should tell you to look out for Qatar Amiri Flight's Global Express. It will be at LHR on Friday PM to pick up a delegation that will be headed off to Doha for the weekend and on to Beijing for the Olympics.
I'm told by my source that LHR is popular with QR Amiri Flight as landing at LHR allows quick (subjective if you ask me) access to London and for its proximity to Berkshire and Hampshire where a number of the Qatari elite own properties. They also have a keen interest in the Ascot racecourse which is of course in Berkshire.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5825 times:
Quoting Sfuk (Reply 9): So I'm guessing that people who can use the Royal Suite do not need to pass through immigration or customs but what about the other 'rich people'. Do they get bussed to one of the main terminals to clear immigration or is there a separate building for that?
Thats what I always wondered. Anyone know the answer? What if, say, David Beckham chartered a private jet into LHR.....would he have to go through security and immigration etc?
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 14): Its all a far cry from years ago when LHR used to have the large Fields hanger which normally used to house between 15-25 biz inside! Those were the good old days at LHR!
Yes - back in those days I reckon Shell, just by themselves, had more HS125 movements a day than there are total bizjet movements today. I remember cycling round to the Fields hanger to see the aircraft parked by the fence and visible to all.
Ned Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5746 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 15): Thats what I always wondered. Anyone know the answer? What if, say, David Beckham chartered a private jet into LHR.....would he have to go through security and immigration etc?
The same rules apply to the rich & famous as they would for anyone else arriving from outside the UK. The only difference is the process is almost seamless for VIP's.
C680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
Quoting Sfuk (Reply 9): Do they get bussed to one of the main terminals
Quoting GCT64 (Reply 11): London is not that easy to operate into for bizjet operators as most airflields have some form of movement restrictions
Agreed - thats why most operators *hate* going into LHR. STN is the best (easiest) as you can get the car up to the plane, restrictions are not as bad as the others, and Universal has a good operation there.
Before people get their panties in a wad about the whole "car up to the plane" thing, please remember that these folks actually OWN the plane, so saying they should go to a terminal or a jetway is a little like saying you should go to a bus stop before you get in your car. The GA ops are on the other side of the runway at STN, and security checks each vehicle very carefully before allowing it on the field.
Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 17): The only difference is the process is almost seamless for VIP's.
Not always at LHR. I've seen private paxs stuck in immigration lines behind the AI flight from New Delhi before - and you haven't lived until you've seen 400 Indians trying to que at Heathrow.
ExecJet From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5654 times:
The number of private aircraft using LHR varies quite immensely from day to day - it can be between zero and around 15 ranging in size from small citations right up to widebodies. In addition to this, there are ambulance flights which will often use PA34/PA31 aircraft and quite a few helicopter movements. Naturally everything depends on the amount of available slots on any given day.
To clarify: passengers using private jets are subject to the same rules for immigration and customs as passengers travelling on airlines through the main terminals, and the rules for security are all laid down by the Department for Transport. The main difference is that they do not pass through the terminals. Under no circumstances would a passenger who has travelled in on a private jet be stuck in a queue in a terminal as has been mentioned above, there are facilities available for processing these passengers elsewhere.
LHR isn't the most popular choice for most operators and pilots - long taxi times, holding delays, etc. However, quite a number of passengers still favour the airport, both because of its proximity to central London and the ability to connect to commercial flights to virtually anywhere in the world.
Any views expressed are my own, not those of my employer
Candid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
Quoting ExecJet (Reply 19): However, quite a number of passengers still favour the airport, both because of its proximity to central London and the ability to connect to commercial flights to virtually anywhere in the world.
This is generally the only reason why I would ever agree that a private flight should operate to LHR. However late evening and increasingly often at weekends there are no other suitable airports in West London that are open hence some demand for LHR.
Farnborough is far and away the most popular choice for that side of town, but it is very expensive and contrary to popular belief some clients are price conscious. FAB's main problem is that it varies from very difficult to impossible to get slots at weekends. Northolt is close to LHR but has a short runway and again is a no no out of hours.
Luton and Stansted are the "big two" for private charter out of the mainstream London airports but STN can also be tricky for slots at certain times. To operate from LCY you need special crew training, the airport is congested and operationally difficult. Hence most private flights from there are regular operators (particularly NetJets) and higher performance bizjets.
That leaves my favourite London airport - Biggin Hill. As long as you don't need to depart very early in the morning or after 9pm (when it is shut) this is the best London airport for private flights. Long runway, no slot issues, excellent service.
Hope that is an interesting overview from someone who sells these flights every day!
Absolutely, the pros & cons of LHR vis a vis Northolt, Farnborough, Biggin and LCY are very different at 2200 on a Saturday night (when a lot of the other airfields are unavailable) than 0900 on a Friday.