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Star Alliance Becoming Too Much?  
User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 12048 times:

With Star Alliance having the biggest membership of any other alliance i was just wandering if more airlines will join ( CO inclusive ) and when does an " alliance " become too much? By this i mean will Star Alliance become too full of member airlines?


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User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11668 times:

I think it is already there. Too many two-bit airlines are members. With Continental on board I hope they ditch UA.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11657 times:
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Lufthansa, SWISS, SAS and Austrian in Europe. Thai, SIA, Air China, ASiana and ANA. I can appreciate Air New Zealand and SAA, as they contribute something from distant points in the world. But USairways, United and Continental, are 3 really necesary in the USA ? NO way. Air India would be a plus, but does Turkish give anything to Star.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11655 times:



Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 1):
Too many two-bit airlines are members. With Continental on board I hope they ditch UA.

Considering CO and UA are going into a strategic partnership (and that UA is among the founding members of *A) is ut unlikely for them to leave *A. After all, it's them who "dragged" CO into *A


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11593 times:

I may be wrong, but if any US domestic airline member of Star Alliance is to be cut I would guess it would be US Airways. With CO coming on, I don't know if they were be strategically necessary anymore. Granted, no other member airline provides as much coverage here in the southeast US as they do, but I believe that between CO and UA the US is pretty well covered. I would miss their convenience, but I certainly wouldn't miss their service.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11559 times:

For being a 18 years member of the Mileage Plus program and a Million + Miles flyer with them, United is one of the Star Alliance original members. They are certainly not at their best at this point in time but I do not see why they should get kicked out. There is simply no reason for it.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
United and Continental, are 3 really necesary in the USA ? NO way.




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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11553 times:

There's literally no such thing as "too much" with respect to the number of alliance members, so long as the alliance maintains a reasonable level of minimum expectations amongst its members. Remember, a greater number of members means greater potential for the exploration of cost and revenue synergies.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11527 times:



Quoting Caetravlr (Reply 4):
Granted, no other member airline provides as much coverage here in the southeast US as they do,

Amongst those 3 (CO, UA, US), no one covers the entire East coast like US does, especially the highly important "NE corridor" between BOS-LGA-DCA. For good or for worse that is the reason they are in *A. The US East Coast from Key West to Bar Harbor, is just too big and too rich of a market to ignore.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

As a customer I like to have as much members in Star as possible. As long as the the service levels don't deteriorate between the members I am fine with new additions.

In fact Star still has large gaps in the system: Russia, India, South America (Brazil), Central America, Australia......


User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 918 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

Has an alliance ever told a member airline, "Get out of our alliance, we think you are a crappy airline"?


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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11212 times:



Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 9):
Has an alliance ever told a member airline, "Get out of our alliance, we think you are a crappy airline"?

When Varig went bankrupt and slashed services, their membership was "suspended".



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11155 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Turkish give anything to Star.

Having flown them myself when they joined Star the service levels meet the rest of the group and certainly out shine quite a few anchor members. The route network has opened up alot of destinations and TK are one of the fastest growing airlines. TK is a major asset to Star more so than some of the ailing ones currently in the alliance. Air India will also be a good choice but I have my doubts about MS.

Im eagerly awaiting CO into the alliance as for me it will give a direct non stop service to NYC from Ireland. I still hope that UA remain as I have always had good experiences with them and like their product. US Airways should be shown the door as they bring the Alliance down.

The top 3 members IMHO are LX NZ SQ


User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11139 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
US Airways should be shown the door as they bring the Alliance down.



Quoting Caetravlr (Reply 4):
I may be wrong, but if any US domestic airline member of Star Alliance is to be cut I would guess it would be US Airways.

Um, this isn't going to happen. From the state of the airline (the US quarterly results presentation for the employees) US has signed another 5 year deal with Star Alliance


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10450 times:



Quoting USA9195 (Reply 12):

To be clear, I wasn't making a prediction, just guessing what would happen IF any of the US legacy members were to leave the alliance, voluntarily or not. As was stated earlier, their east coast coverage cannot be beat and that in and of itself is an asset to the Star Alliance. Do I wish that some of their aircraft and their service would be upgraded? Of course. Do I rely on their east coast coverage on a regular basis to get my mileage with UA? Yes.


I think that UA, CO, and US will coexist happily in the alliance for a while. However, as we have seen ANYTHING can happen in this business.



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Star is already a cluster. But what's most annoying is arrival displays that list the same flight a dozen times, because everyone's codesharing on it - whether they need to or not.

User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9815 times:

Having 3 members from the USA might not be a bad idea right now. Nobody knows which airlines will survive this current financial crisis, but I'd venture to say that some major US carriers might not make it. If, on the other hand, Star were to take the approach of OneWorld, and only admit one member from the US, then they're left with nobody in the unfortunate event that AA were not to survive. It's not the worst idea at this time to have more than one member from a major market such as the US.


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9175 times:

The only issue that I see on Star is very little coverage of Latin America... not sure what they think about it or if any plans are coming...


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3993 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8886 times:



Quoting JoFMO (Reply 8):
In fact Star still has large gaps in the system: Russia, India, South America (Brazil), Central America, Australia......

Depends on what you mean by large gap...


I beleave that the main cities of Australia and Russia is covered

Air New Zealand flies to the main cities of Australia does'nt it ?

and SAS to the main cities of Russia.


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8811 times:



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 16):
The only issue that I see on Star is very little coverage of Latin America... not sure what they think about it or if any plans are coming...

Wasn't it discussed on the forum a while ago that TAM could might join the alliance, have anyone heard anything more from this?



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User currently offlineYamatthey From Switzerland, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8698 times:

Definitely yes, Star becomes too heavy to be a good, strong and efficient alliance (for members, not for frequent flyers).
In the near future; Continental, Air India, Qatar and TAM will join Star Alliance.

In Europe:
Lufthansa, BMI, TAP, Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Spanair, Turkish Airlines, Scandinavian Airlines

In North America:
United, USAirways, Air Canada, Continental*

In South America:
TAM*

Middle East:
Egyptair, Qatar*

In Asia:
Singapore Airlines, Thai Airways, Air China, Shanghai Airlines, ANA, Asiana Airlines, Air India*.

In Oceania:
Air New Zealand

In Africa:
South African Airways

Plus 3 regional members in Europa.

* future members


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3993 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

From Wikipedia ( Take the info with a pinch of salt... Sad


Future members

* Air India was invited to join Star Alliance on December 13, 2007, and is scheduled to be a full member by mid 2009. The combined entity has also confirmed that it has gained membership within Star Alliance and will expand its own network to be one of Asia's largest carriers. The formal announcement was made at the annual Star Alliance meeting on 13 December 2007. Air India is set to become a full member of Star Alliance by 2009.
- Air India Express
- Air India Regional (ex-Alliance Air)
- Indian Airlines (being merged with Air India)

* Continental Airlines On June 19, 2008 Continental Airlines and United Airlines signed an agreement which will lead to Continental's exit from SkyTeam and entry into Star Alliance as well as, pending government approval, an antitrust immunized alliance between Continental Airlines, United Airlines, Lufthansa, Air Canada and further Star Alliance member airlines
- Continental Connection
- Continental Express
- Continental Micronesia

Potential members


* Aerolineas Argentinas the airline is observed and studied to make its entry into the alliance. Aerolineas Argentinas may join the Star Alliance in 2010.

* AiRUnion On November 16, 2007 a Memorandum of Understanding was signed between Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa and AiRUnion which might lead to AiRUnions entrance into the alliance. Both Austrian Airlines and Lufthansa will support AiRUnion's efforts.

* TAM Airlines (TAM Linhas Aéreas) – the airline is currently partnered with United Airlines, Lufthansa and TAP Portugal.[10]In addition to these partnerships TAM recently sign MOUs with Air Canada and Swiss International Air Lines in order to implement code share and frequent traveller agreements. Talks are on with TAM Brazil to replace Varig and restore Star Alliance to Latin America.

* Brussels Airlines announced it is officially in talks with Lufthansa in order to enter Star Alliance.



Please read sources on the Wikipedia article itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Alliance


User currently offlineJohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

What you have to remember about there being 3 US members, is that the US is a BIG country. No one complains about there being a bunch of European airlines being in close proximity geographically.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3875 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8377 times:
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Quoting Mortyman (Reply 20):
Brussels Airlines announced it is officially in talks with Lufthansa in order to enter Star Alliance.

I'm sorry but...they have as much chance of joining One World. They should join SA)">OW instead of Star. Why? Because they already code share with a lot of SA)">OW airlines: SA)">AA, BA, AY, MA and IB.
SN and SA)">AA are working well together, they suit each other.
SSA)">AA should have joined SA)">OW instead of Star because they already had code shares with SA)">AA on TATL routes, SA)">OW would have had a strong presence in Africa. But...they went to Star because they had already code shares with LH. Now Star has strong presence in Africa because SA is there, and they are taking MS. And I believe that Ethiopian also is targeting Star as a future alliance.
One World has no member in Africa, expect maybe Comair in South Africa, but that's part of BA. If SN joins SA)">OW then SA)">OW will have strong presence in Africa, of course, because Sabena was always strong in Africa.
Sky Team has Kenya Air in Africa, although I'm not sure Kenya is a full member of Sky Team, but I know they work with KLM.

Two reasons why I think SN must to go to One World:-
1 - Codeshare with SA)">AA and all SA)">OW members in Europe.
2 - SN would bring to SA)">OW a strong presence in the African continent.

And third reason, the whole discussion about this topic: Star is growing too big.
Take a look at this, do you all remember the balloons you used to play with at birthday parties when you were kids? Take one, and start to blow some air in it. It's going to grow, OK. But, if you keep blowing air in it, sooner or later, it's going to explode because the inside pressure keeps growing and the balloon cannot sustain it anymore. Right? It's the same for the Star Alliance, they may not work efficiently anymore if they start welcoming too many members, like Yamatthey says.

Ben Soriano

[Edited 2008-07-27 15:10:33]

[Edited 2008-07-27 15:12:27]


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User currently offlineAmciver From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8276 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
Air New Zealand flies to the main cities of Australia does'nt it ?

As do TG, SQ, UA etc


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8160 times:



Quoting Yamatthey (Reply 19):
Definitely yes, Star becomes too heavy to be a good, strong and efficient alliance

How do you figure this?



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25 Chinook747 : and let's not forget AC from YVR-SYD on one of their new 777's
26 Bjornstrom : Do you have any source for this statement?
27 DC8FanJet : I don't think so. UA is a founding member. Things aren't great for ANY airline right now, but UA will be around, and will remain in Star Alliance.
28 Econojetter : Global alliance like a balloon? I don't think this analogy works. I really don't see how the alliance would fail catastrophically at some point. Even
29 Yamatthey : Soon to be an alliance with 25 members or more will be a big challenge. How can you coordinate your flight, split the market and work together? 3 memb
30 AznMadSci : Also, it's been mentioned that CM has expressed their intent to jump ship from SkyTeam to join CO in Star. Also, CM has a connection to AeroRepublica
31 DavidByrne : I think there's a bit of naivety here from those seeking that certain airlines should be "kicked out" of the alliance. First, there are contractual re
32 MrBrightSide : Since when is having more - less? More options means more accounts. Business accounts. When it comes to TK, watch it. They're indeed one of fastest g
33 RICARIZA : Also no coverage in Central America. I doubt it, AR has many many many financial and union problems... Only Caracas which was very recently added. I
34 Avek00 : First, mere alliance membership does NOT allow airlines to do what you're talking about. ATI has to be sought in EVERY instance where carriers want t
35 Jamincan : As has been pointed out above, if a region becomes saturated, an airline has a choice to step out of the alliance; however, aside from Europe, I don't
36 QANTAS077 : as the saying goes...less is more, Star is beyond ridiculous now, they seem to think that having a carrier from every corner of the globe and the next
37 United787 : Well, with TACA close to UA and COPA close to CO, I would imagine that one of these will joing Star eventually! Actually, if you consider CO's covera
38 QANTAS077 : not much good if your on a RTW fare and you want to include South America...the price usually escelates purely because there are no star carriers wit
39 DavidByrne : I just don't understand why people are so exercised about this. So what if they're the largest? And isn't it an advantage if they've attracted carrie
40 MrBrightSide : Absolutely. Oh my, I actually have a choice if I want to fly with. Did my try with Kangaroo route with BA and QF, no thank you. SQ or LH/UA on Europe
41 1821 : Personally i would much prefer TAM to join *A so it can represent my " Tres Hombres " in South America and while i don't have anything against Air Ind
42 TransIsland : I don't follow all this US bashing in *A threads... First of all, there are more *A members per pax in Europe than in the U.S. Secondly, while I've ne
43 777ER : NZ fly to SYD, OOL, BNE, CNS, DRW, PER, ADL and MEL from AKL, HLZ, WLG, CHC and DUD Yes but NZ provides WAY better australian connections and more de
44 Pzurita1 : Not to mention LH also
45 United1 : UA CO LH & AC are forming a joint venture across the Atlantic where they split all revenue and profits so it really makes no difference if somone cho
46 Abrelosojos : = TAM should be announced by end of this year, with 2010 joining. Latin America was not as important for Star as filling in some of the other gaps. I
47 UAL777UK : Exactly! I fail to understand some peoples comments on here that Star is getting too big. They offer a vast choice to travellers and if other allianc
48 SQ452 : Precisely, lets just hope they get rid of the shame of the alliance, US Airways (and yes I saw the post that US signed on for 5 more years with Star
49 Anax : excuse my ignorance , but what exactly has TK to do with Europe?
50 Kiwiandrew : Your ignorance is excused , but you could easily cure it by looking at a map - Istanbul which is TKs main hub is quite definitely on the European lan
51 OA260 : Whilst the majority of the country and culture is not European so he is 75% right. Its actually the Eastern feel and non European culture that makes
52 Abrelosojos : = A Greek wanting to know whether Turkey is in Europe. LOL. Let's focus on aviation here. TK is one of the smartest moves for Star. It is probably th
53 JAL : I agree that Star in certain region is getting a bit crowded!
54 JoFMO : We should not get fooled by the many brands of Star in Europe. In essence there are only 2 European carriers plus 2 niche players that will soon eith
55 Abrelosojos : = You forgot LO in the LH equation and BM is BD right? Also, I hardly consider SK an European player ... LX (although part of LH) is a far more impor
56 JoFMO : SK is the only other independent Star player in Europe beside LH. LX is already in LH's basket. LH has a call option for BD and said they will take i
57 Abrelosojos : = Jaja. Actually, more like 1 ... given SK as an independent airline will not survive without drastic overhaul. And, JK has fallen from being Spain's
58 Avek00 : Why? Money talks.
59 BT001 : SAS flies to LED and SVO only, can we call it covering Russia? As mentioned LH with 9 and OS with 5 Russian destinations do the job.
60 TK787 : TK flies to ROV, LED, SVO, KZN, SVX, UFA and KUF in Russia. IST-SVO 3x daily AYT-SVO daily TK also flies to DOK, DNK, SIP, ODS, KBP and LWO in Ukrain
61 Post contains links OA260 : Yes lets .... ____________________________ Turkish Airlines have a very good route map here . Its one of the best I have seen . http://www.thy.com/en
62 Skyhigh : How does SQ and TG being in the same alliance benefit TG? SQ duplicate many if not most of TG's routes and probably takes many of its passengers in th
63 JAL : I'm kinda surprise to see TG still in Star, won't OneWorld or Skyteam be a better option for them?
64 MarcinGDN : the same situation for LO as TG. from my city (GDN) LO was feeding hubs MUC (once daily) and FRA (twice daily) on Embraer 145/E70 to MUC and E75 to FR
65 Nzrich : True but every alliance cant have domestic flights in every country .. Australia is quite well covered considering no SA airline is based in Australi
66 Jamincan : I'm not sure I see why those customers wouldn't use SQ even if TG were in a separate alliance. Perhaps moving over is a bit easier, but the opposite
67 MillwallSean : To Abrelosojos: Its great to call SAS also rans but they are infact Europe's fourth largest airline group among the legacies. That in itself is no min
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