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KLM 744 At IAD On July 26  
User currently offlineBN727flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

[I did a search for this topic but found nothing. apologies if I missed something.]

I saw a KLM 744 on final for 19C at IAD yesterday (July 26). When I got homre I looked it up in flightaware, and, sure enough, there it was:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM651/history/20080726/1141Z/EHAM/KIAD

...a substitution from the usual 332 from AMS.

A few questions for all you a.netters out there:
1. Does anyone know the reason for this substitution?
2. Who services KLM at IAD, and are they set up to service a KLM 744?
3. When, if ever, was the last time KLM brought a 744 into IAD? (This isn't a trick question; I don't think they've ever done it, but some of you know more than I do about such operations.)

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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3410 times:



Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
2. Who services KLM at IAD, and are they set up to service a KLM 744?

I cant answer who does, but the answer is yes, they can service a 744 at IAD.



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
1. Does anyone know the reason for this substitution?

KLM brought a full passenger B744, PH-BFB, to IAD on Saturday, because the previous day's flight had been cancelled, because of technical problems with the A332 fleet. The B744 came in with 411 passengers on board. Cockpit and additional cabin crew for the flight back were flown in from JFK and the inbound IAD crews were positioned to YYZ. More about KLM's longhaul irregularities here.


User currently offlineFlyIguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Working at IAD over the years KLM uses vast amounts of diffrent a/c. I myself have seen 767-300, A330-200, MD-11, 747-400 and 747-400 Combi's...And to answer your question, the Ground crew that works KLM is swissport and I beleive that NWA handles the ticket counter and gate...

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineBN727flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

Thank you all, gentlemen, for your responses. IWC, I read through the list posted on the flyertalk forum. Looks like KLM is having some trouble keeping up with the fleet. What is your assessment? Is their fleet too varied (i.e., too many a/c types)? Or is this a possible maintenance management problem? Or just bad luck?

User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:



Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
1. Does anyone know the reason for this substitution?

Technical problem with the 332 on Friday's flight, so a 744 all pax on Saturday.

Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
Who services KLM at IAD, and are they set up to service a KLM 744?

Swissport handles KLM on the ramp and NWA does the pax side - its easy to handle, however it can't park at B-19 as they normally do with a 332 or 772 and used R-26, which makes it a hassle but only because of the parking location.

Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
When, if ever, was the last time KLM brought a 744 into IAD? (This isn't a trick question; I don't think they've ever done it, but some of you know more than I do about such operations.)

So far this year they've brought in 4 744s - 2 were combi's and 2 all pax with Saturday's flight.


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Also, KLM just canceled AMS-IAD-AMS for Tuesday July 29 - maybe another 744 on Wednesday if anyone wants to get a shot of it - I'll let you know.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2878 times:



Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 4):
Looks like KLM is having some trouble keeping up with the fleet. What is your assessment? Is their fleet too varied (i.e., too many a/c types)? Or is this a possible maintenance management problem? Or just bad luck?

The main cause for these all to frequent irregularities is to be found with the overly optimistic scheduling and very high utilization rates for the widebody equipment.

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 6):
KLM just canceled AMS-IAD-AMS for Tuesday July 29

This cancellation is because of 2 A332s which are currently stuck at outstations due to technical issues. PH-AOA is grounded at DFW after it returned to the gate just before take of on Monday. PH-AOC is sitting at DMM, its intermediate stop on a flight between DOH and AMS, also for technical reasons. As KLM had only one spare A332 on Tuesday, one flight had to be cancelled.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2781 times:



Quoting BN727flyr (Thread starter):
3. When, if ever, was the last time KLM brought a 744 into IAD? (This isn't a trick question; I don't think they've ever done it, but some of you know more than I do about such operations.)



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 5):
So far this year they've brought in 4 744s - 2 were combi's and 2 all pax with Saturday's flight.

I looked up all flights this year and found the following:

KL651/652 was operated by A332 until MArch 29, then by MD11 from March 30 through May 03 and then again by A332 from May 04 onward.

These were the irregularities to this planning:

12JAN flight operated by B74M PH-BFI
11MAR flight cancelled
12MAR flight cancelled
13MAR flight operated by B744 PH-BFB
16APR flight cancelled
22APR flight cancelled
25JUL flight cancelled
26JUL flight operated by B744 PH-BFB
29JUL flight cancelled


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

With the 2 in DFW and DMM, its unfortunate for IAD because the aircraft operate rotating though AMS-IAD-AMS-DMM-AMS-DFW-AMS-IAD-AMS etc with the occasional stop to Iran.

Also, no 744 for IAD tomorrow - back to the 332.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2626 times:



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
With the 2 in DFW and DMM, its unfortunate for IAD because the aircraft operate rotating though AMS-IAD-AMS-DMM-AMS-DFW-AMS-IAD-AMS etc with the occasional stop to Iran.

There is no such pattern at all for A332 rotations. The A332s allow for a lot of flexibility and there is no fixed pattern in their rotational deployment. As for Iran, IKA is served four times weekly with MD11. It is no longer an A332 destination.


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