LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22219 posts, RR: 51 Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
As follow up to previous quarter postings, here were US carriers international route profitability's in the 1st quarter 2008 as reported to the DOT.
Obviously the run up of fuel cost negatively effected every ones performance to a degree.
Atlantic
American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.07
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.17
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.10
Yield per RPM(cents):12.81
Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.60
Operating Expense Per ASM:10.17
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.43
Yield per RPM(cents):13.52
Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.40
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.87
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.47
Yield per RPM(cents):12.31
Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:10.55
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.18
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.63
Yield per RPM(cents):11.20
United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.20
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.50
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.29
Yield per RPM(cents):13.40
US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.22
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.27
Profit/Loss per ASM:-2.04
Yield per RPM(cents):10.43
Latin
American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.64
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.27
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.37
Yield per RPM(cents):15.21
Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:14.98
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.63
Profit/Loss per ASM:+3.35
Yield per RPM(cents):14.98
Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.51
Operating Expense Per ASM:13.14
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.62
Yield per RPM(cents):12.71
United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.74
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.79
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.05
Yield per RPM(cents):12.75
US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:17.00
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.11
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.11
Yield per RPM(cents):13.81
Pacific
American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.73
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.46
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.73
Yield per RPM(cents):11.96
Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:10.84
Operating Expense Per ASM:9.52
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.32
Yield per RPM(cents):12.08
Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:14.25
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.81
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.62
Yield per RPM(cents):12.83
Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.97
Operating Expense Per ASM:13.72
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.76
Yield per RPM(cents):11.09
United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.20
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.45
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.25
Yield per RPM(cents):12.08
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5378 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2333 times:
LALintl do you happen to have the DOT domestic numbers available as well?
Thank you for posting the international numbers....
Caribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2549 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
LAXintl can you give the data for B6 and NK to latin america also thanks.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
United is looking better than most across the Atlantic and Pacific!
Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
What about F9 to to Latin America? For what that's worth, probably not too much. Just curious, becuase I haven't seen any postings on those few routes form DEN. Just hoping to keep F9 afloat.
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5378 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
Quoting Conti764 (Reply 6): How come CO is doing so much better then all the rest?
The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers do so their international routes typically look fantastic while their domestic routes look rather bad. DL&NW do the opposite they allocate more to their domestic networks and less to their international side. UA/AA/US typically allocate based on ASMs if I remember right.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22219 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 2): LALintl do you happen to have the DOT domestic numbers available as well?
Yes however this thread is focused on international performance as there has been so much growth and interest in such flying the last few years by carriers.
Anyhow here is the info.
American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.41
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.47
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.06
Yield per RPM(cents):13.16
Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:16.12
Operating Expense Per ASM:18.56
Profit/Loss per ASM:-2.43
Yield per RPM(cents):12.91
Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:18.48
Operating Expense Per ASM:18.67
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.19
Yield per RPM(cents):13.12
Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.44
Operating Expense Per ASM:16.03
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.04
Yield per RPM(cents):13.32
United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.21
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.21
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.99
Yield per RPM(cents):12.86
US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:16.30
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.31
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.01
Yield per RPM(cents):13.40
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5): What about F9 to to Latin America?
Appears both B6 and F9 do not break down operating statistics by region while NK being privately held does not need to share such specific cost information only general traffic statistics.
In F9s case however its likely safe to say much of its Mexico flying was negative contributor hence why so much of it was cut.
Quoting United1 (Reply 7): The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers
While RASM/CASM numbers might be allocated slightly differently, the yield measure is still pretty good measure of things.
At the end of the day, DOT does provide guidance on reporting including how segment and market data is to be allocated so carriers cant just make it up as they wish either.
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Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8): Appears both B6 and F9 do not break down operating statistics by region while NK being privately held does not need to share such specific cost information only general traffic statistics.
In F9s case however its likely safe to say much of its Mexico flying was negative contributor hence why so much of it was cut.
Damn, I had a feeling that's the deal. As much as at least F9 touts it's Mexico and Costa Rica flights from DEN, I figured it wasn't as great as it should have been. Then again, we really have no direct flights from here to those destination. I thought F9 would fill the gap a lot more quickly and then maybe the numbers would reflect better numbers.
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22219 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
error post ....... pls delete.
[Edited 2008-08-04 07:09:50]
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Jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1471 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers do so their international routes typically look fantastic while their domestic routes look rather bad. DL&NW do the opposite they allocate more to their domestic networks and less to their international side. UA/AA/US typically allocate based on ASMs if I remember right.
Yep. When I saw the thread headline, I thought "Here we go again".
These number are not an accurate reflection of entity performance. Besides the varying methodologies, carriers specifically manipulate how they show the data in order to prevent competitors from gaining too much insight.
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