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US Carriers Intl Route Profitability 01Q08  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25163 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

As follow up to previous quarter postings, here were US carriers international route profitability's in the 1st quarter 2008 as reported to the DOT.

Obviously the run up of fuel cost negatively effected every ones performance to a degree.


Atlantic

American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.07
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.17
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.10
Yield per RPM(cents):12.81

Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.60
Operating Expense Per ASM:10.17
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.43
Yield per RPM(cents):13.52

Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.40
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.87
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.47
Yield per RPM(cents):12.31

Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:10.55
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.18
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.63
Yield per RPM(cents):11.20

United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.20
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.50
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.29
Yield per RPM(cents):13.40

US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.22
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.27
Profit/Loss per ASM:-2.04
Yield per RPM(cents):10.43


Latin

American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.64
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.27
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.37
Yield per RPM(cents):15.21

Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:14.98
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.63
Profit/Loss per ASM:+3.35
Yield per RPM(cents):14.98

Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:12.51
Operating Expense Per ASM:13.14
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.62
Yield per RPM(cents):12.71

United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.74
Operating Expense Per ASM:12.79
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.05
Yield per RPM(cents):12.75

US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:17.00
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.11
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.11
Yield per RPM(cents):13.81


Pacific

American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.73
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.46
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.73
Yield per RPM(cents):11.96

Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:10.84
Operating Expense Per ASM:9.52
Profit/Loss per ASM:+1.32
Yield per RPM(cents):12.08

Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:14.25
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.81
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.62
Yield per RPM(cents):12.83

Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.97
Operating Expense Per ASM:13.72
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.76
Yield per RPM(cents):11.09

United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:11.20
Operating Expense Per ASM:11.45
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.25
Yield per RPM(cents):12.08


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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Look at CO's CASMs, very low compared to the competition.

Looks like the majors are judging the profitability based on system performance (flow value + onboard revenue) vs straight profitability.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

LALintl do you happen to have the DOT domestic numbers available as well?

Thank you for posting the international numbers....



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

LAXintl can you give the data for B6 and NK to latin america also thanks.

[Edited 2008-07-28 11:37:28]


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User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

United is looking better than most across the Atlantic and Pacific!

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

What about F9 to to Latin America? For what that's worth, probably not too much. Just curious, becuase I haven't seen any postings on those few routes form DEN. Just hoping to keep F9 afloat.


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User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

How come CO is doing so much better then all the rest?

User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2976 times:



Quoting Conti764 (Reply 6):
How come CO is doing so much better then all the rest?

The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers do so their international routes typically look fantastic while their domestic routes look rather bad. DL&NW do the opposite they allocate more to their domestic networks and less to their international side. UA/AA/US typically allocate based on ASMs if I remember right.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25163 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2903 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
LALintl do you happen to have the DOT domestic numbers available as well?

Yes however this thread is focused on international performance as there has been so much growth and interest in such flying the last few years by carriers.

Anyhow here is the info.


American
Operating Revenue Per ASM:13.41
Operating Expense Per ASM:14.47
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.06
Yield per RPM(cents):13.16

Continental
Operating Revenue Per ASM:16.12
Operating Expense Per ASM:18.56
Profit/Loss per ASM:-2.43
Yield per RPM(cents):12.91

Delta
Operating Revenue Per ASM:18.48
Operating Expense Per ASM:18.67
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.19
Yield per RPM(cents):13.12

Northwest
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.44
Operating Expense Per ASM:16.03
Profit/Loss per ASM:-0.04
Yield per RPM(cents):13.32

United
Operating Revenue Per ASM:15.21
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.21
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.99
Yield per RPM(cents):12.86

US Airways
Operating Revenue Per ASM:16.30
Operating Expense Per ASM:17.31
Profit/Loss per ASM:-1.01
Yield per RPM(cents):13.40

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 3):
data for B6 and NK



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5):
What about F9 to to Latin America?

Appears both B6 and F9 do not break down operating statistics by region while NK being privately held does not need to share such specific cost information only general traffic statistics.
In F9s case however its likely safe to say much of its Mexico flying was negative contributor hence why so much of it was cut.

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers

While RASM/CASM numbers might be allocated slightly differently, the yield measure is still pretty good measure of things.

At the end of the day, DOT does provide guidance on reporting including how segment and market data is to be allocated so carriers cant just make it up as they wish either.



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2846 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Appears both B6 and F9 do not break down operating statistics by region while NK being privately held does not need to share such specific cost information only general traffic statistics.
In F9s case however its likely safe to say much of its Mexico flying was negative contributor hence why so much of it was cut.

Damn, I had a feeling that's the deal. As much as at least F9 touts it's Mexico and Costa Rica flights from DEN, I figured it wasn't as great as it should have been. Then again, we really have no direct flights from here to those destination. I thought F9 would fill the gap a lot more quickly and then maybe the numbers would reflect better numbers.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25163 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

error post ....... pls delete.

[Edited 2008-08-04 07:09:50]


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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3264 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2330 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 7):

The numbers are reported differently by every carrier, CO allocates its revenue slightly differently then then other carriers do so their international routes typically look fantastic while their domestic routes look rather bad. DL&NW do the opposite they allocate more to their domestic networks and less to their international side. UA/AA/US typically allocate based on ASMs if I remember right.

Yep. When I saw the thread headline, I thought "Here we go again".

These number are not an accurate reflection of entity performance. Besides the varying methodologies, carriers specifically manipulate how they show the data in order to prevent competitors from gaining too much insight.


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