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How Many CO 733 Received Winglets?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

They started putting winglets on and then abruptly announced they were retiring thall of them. So how many 733 got the winglets?

Well at least 3 did.


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I take it, these 3 are still in the fleet. How much did this cost CO? Not a waste I guess, since they would have a higher chance at resale.

[Edited 2008-07-28 16:08:27]


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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2144 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
How much did this cost CO?

Million a pop is what I heard, plus time out of service...Worth it in the long run, which won't be the case for CO. I think the idea behind it was to put them on the newer 733's which would be put into service with another carrier.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Originally, ten were to be wingletted, if I remember right. These were the ten longer-range birds in the fleet, back from the days of 733 transcons... you know, the ones that had TV's in the aisles.
I don't know if they're going to continue that project or not; the 733s will still be around for 17-18 months, some of them, anyway.
I don't really expect them to keep fitting winglets, though. With the additional uplift being delivered (14 737-9ERs in just the last few months), and the simultaneous desire to reduce capacity on an industry-wide level, I suspect CO could park the ENTIRE 733 fleet tomorrow and not shed a tear.
The passengers booked on the flights wouldn't be thrilled, but hey.


User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1999 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
I suspect CO could park the ENTIRE 733 fleet tomorrow and not shed a tear.

I've thought the same about their 735's, but some are rather new. Nice way of putting it, btw...



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1996 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
I think the idea behind it was to put them on the newer 733's which would be put into service with another carrier.

Correct...to make them more attractive to another operator....I've heard (rumor only) that some of the 300's/500's that got winglets were paid for by the lessor, not sure but makes sense in some areas.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
CO could park the ENTIRE 733 fleet tomorrow and not shed a tear.
The passengers booked on the flights wouldn't be thrilled

I'm on a 300 in the morning and would love to see all the 300's and 500's gone tonight. They have done a wonderful service for the "Worst to First" gang but it is time to move them on just as the MD80 fleet a few years back.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1989 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):
.I've heard (rumor only) that some of the 300's/500's that got winglets were paid for by the lessor, not sure but makes sense in some areas.

That's what I heard, the lessors paid for the winglets.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1915 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 3):
I've thought the same about their 735's

Aah, but the 735 fills a niche that the 733 can't. That is, the 73G matches the -300 seat for seat... but the 735 is a nice little plane in between other 737s and ERJ-145s, as Continental has procured nothing in terms of larger regional aircraft, such as the CR7/9 or ERJ-170/190 series of fine aircraft.

I suspect the E195 would make a very nice replacement for the 737-524s at Continental, but money's a bit bleak with fuel where it is at the moment.

Anyhow:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):
I'm on a 300 in the morning and would love to see all the 300's and 500's gone tonight.

Aww, that's a shame. Am I the only one that likes these airplanes?
Their -500s are quite new, some of the last classics built. The -300s are a bit long in the tooth, but still good airplanes. Certain other carriers have flown much older birds, with great success. For example, what makes it profitable for NW to fly a DC-9-50, but not for Continental to fly a 737-300?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1860 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
as Continental has procured nothing in terms of larger regional aircraft, such as the CR7/9 or ERJ-170/190 series of fine aircraft.

CO has 74 seat Q-400s operating from EWR.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
CO has 74 seat Q-400s operating from EWR.

Yeah, but those are props operated by Colgan on a contract basis, so it's not really what I was referring to.
Can't wait to fly on one though... hopefully out of Houston!


User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1749 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Aww, that's a shame. Am I the only one that likes these airplanes?
Their -500s are quite new, some of the last classics built. The -300s are a bit long in the tooth, but still good airplanes. Certain other carriers have flown much older birds, with great success. For example, what makes it profitable for NW to fly a DC-9-50, but not for Continental to fly a 737-300?

As has been mentioned by others, the aircraft are only leased by Continental. I believe the DC-9's of Northwest are owned by the airline and they were paid for years ago.

Therefore the Continental aircraft have greater fixed costs before they even get in the air and start burning variable costs.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1609 times:



Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
As has been mentioned by others, the aircraft are only leased by Continental.

Interesting; didn't realize that. Yeah, that fact changes the picture entirely.
Oh well, bye bye little piglets.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1582 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Aww, that's a shame. Am I the only one that likes these airplanes?
Their -500s are quite new, some of the last classics built. The -300s are a bit long in the tooth, but still good airplanes.

Was actually on one of the newer 300's this morning and as usual she was bright and shinning outside, clean and fresh on the inside but they aren't nearly as a gas sipper as the 700's are which sort of puts them I'd believe on the "getting rid of fast" track.

Now the 500's, sure a great little sports car that carry hardly anything. From what I'm told by far the most inefficient in the CO fleet.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
hopefully out of Houston!

PLEASE...get rid of the SF34's please.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1517 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 11):
but they aren't nearly as a gas sipper as the 700's are


Bear in mind that the 737NG variants weigh in at 6000 lb more than their equally sized classic counterparts, due to redesigns in the wing box, the new wing, and heavier engines.

Consequently, the 700 isn't necessarily going to be tons more fuel efficient on flights than the 300, particularly on short hops like IAH-MSY where you're not taking advantage of the CFM-56-7's great cruise efficiency.


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

At this time, there are 11 737-300s in CO's fleet with winglets.
Ships 322-324, 336-338 and 341-345 are the ones.

JSD



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