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BBC: BA And IB Discuss Merger  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

Just coming across their site.... no further info


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13723 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7530819.stm
A little more information but nothing more as yet.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13710 times:

So sort of a AF/KLM scenario I guess?


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13716 times:

Info on BA's Site:
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bapress/public/en_gb

Individual brands would be retained. Sounds like a tie up similar to that of Air France|KLM.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

There's not a lot of fleet overlap at present but I wonder what this might mean for the future? 787s and A380s for IB? A350s for both? Both airlines seem to be fond of RR.  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13656 times:

I just saw this on the BBC TV too, my first reaction was to come straight here hah!

Seems like a good idea to me, both airline's route networks seem to compliment each other well, with BA big in North America and Iberia's extensive route network in South America, there wouldn't be too much overlap.

Obviously they're both in oneworld too.

I'd love to see this merger go ahead.

Shane


User currently offlineEUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13656 times:

Finally some movement!!  Wink

Madrid stock market has blocked IB shares, so all is really imminent!



Who says airports are boring places?!
User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13637 times:

Iberia announced that they already own a 10% of BA as a first step: 3% in shares and 7% in call options (options to buy). We already forecasted this cross ownership some days ago.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...066208&s=cross+ownership#ID4066208 (posts 9 & 12)

[Edited 2008-07-29 04:03:13]

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3393 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13612 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
So sort of a AF/KLM scenario I guess?

That's how I'd imagine it happening too - I wonder if this means talk of a merger with a US carrier is off?

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
There's not a lot of fleet overlap at present but I wonder what this might mean for the future? 787s and A380s for IB? A350s for both? Both airlines seem to be fond of RR

Definitely lots and lots and lots of A318/319/320/321s Big grin

I'd expect that with the size of both fleets it could take many years for any massive allignments of the wides, maybe IB could lend BA some A346s - they'd look sweet in BA colours Big grin


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13615 times:

Great move all round I think. I've done some work on this for a client and you'd be surprised just how much sense it makes when all is said and done. There are some genuinely awesome synergies in place that will come to light if/once it goes ahead that may surprise a few people.

Watch this space.  Smile



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2948 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

Now on the LSE wire:

Regulatory Announcement

Company British Airways PLC
TIDM BAY
Headline Iberia merger talks
Released 11:29 29-Jul-08
Number 1030A11


RNS Number : 1030A
British Airways PLC
29 July 2008

IBERIA MERGER TALKS

British Airways and Iberia are holding talks with a view to an all-share merger between the two companies. The negotiations are supported unanimously by the boards of both companies.




The British Airways and Iberia brands would be retained as part of a combined group.




Iberia's chairman and chief executive, Fernando Conte, said: "A merger would be good news for our customers and enhance our existing relationship. We've worked together for nearly 10 years and a tie-up would build on that success. It would also strengthen the oneworld alliance and further develop Madrid's position as the European gateway to Latin America".




British Airways' chief executive, Willie Walsh, said: "The aviation landscape is changing and airline consolidation is long overdue. The combined balance sheet, anticipated synergies and network fit between the airlines make a merger an attractive proposition, particularly in the current economic environment. We've had a successful relationship with Iberia for a decade and are confident that both companies' shareholders would benefit from the proposed tie-up".

British Airways acquired a nine per cent shareholding in Iberia in 1999 and has recently increased its shareholding to 13.15 per cent. Iberia has announced today that it has recently acquired a 2.99 per cent direct shareholding in British Airways and financial exposure to a further 6.99 per cent through contracts for difference linked to British Airways' share price. The airlines' shareholdings reinforce the mutual interest of both companies in each other.

It is expected that it will take several months to reach agreement on the terms of the merger and to finalise a joint business and integration plan for the combined group.

Both parties are confident of securing regulatory approval. The European Union has already granted British Airways and Iberia approval to co-operate widely.




ends

July 29, 2008 094/LG/08




Notes to Editors

1. The principal shareholders in Iberia (other than British Airways) include Caja Madrid at 22.99 per cent of Iberia shares and El Corte Ingles at 3.37 per cent.

2. It is expected that there will be a single holding company with a unified management structure built upon representation from both companies.

3. The existing two companies would be responsible for the day to day running of their operations.



4. The new holding company is expected to be a member of the FTSE100 and quoted on the Madrid stock exchange.

5. A contract for difference (CFD) is an agreement to exchange the difference in a share’s value between the time a contract is opened and the time it is closed. Holders of CFDs are financially exposed to the share price but do not own the shares and therefore have no voting rights. The contract has no fixed expiry date.

6 It isenvisaged that a new company would acquire both British Airways and Iberia at the same time. Based on the current market capitalisations of British Airways and Iberia, the UK Panel on Takeovers and Mergers has agreed that the current intended transaction is not subject to the UK Takeover Code.




This information is provided by RNS
The company news service from the London Stock Exchange



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13426 times:

Least surprising industry new this year.... I think everybody knew it was coming, just a matter of when. Willie Walsh has hinted it at enough speeches and events this year.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 9):
you'd be surprised just how much sense it makes when all is said and done.

I don;t think anybody would be surprised to be honest. Even the armchair CEOs on here sohuld be able to see that. to be honest as a merger it looks a far better fit than Air France/KLM did at the time, and that seems to have worked out pretty well.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13411 times:

I think this is great news for both BA and IB. Their networks support each other with hardly any overlap and they already havea great relationship with one another. BA have a huge network to North America and IB in South America so they wil compliment each other very well also.

As a BA employee I am pleased that we are moving in the right direction and merging with another company. Personaly I would have liked to see the BA/AA/CO merger but IB are just as important within OW.

The only thing I would like to see though from IB is for them to update their cabins to come into line with BA ( obviously keep their own brand but offer the same level of service BA do)


Lee



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13315 times:

Superb news, but I'd echo those comments of some of you regarding the level of service offered by IB. On top of that surely it's about time they improved their uniform!!!

But as I say superb news and lets hope that it doesn't take so long to get things in order, lets hope that there aren't in union issues along the way!



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13086 times:

Once this happens, and AA-BA alliance immunity passes, oneworld will be in much better shape.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13072 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
as a merger it looks a far better fit than Air France/KLM did at the time, and that seems to have worked out pretty well.

Can you remember it almost became BA/KL? Imagine how different things might be right now, KL in oneworld for example... funny how things can go.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
I don;t think anybody would be surprised to be honest.

Agreed, this looks like a really good deal for both. Who knows, we might even see a joint order for replacement of the 772/a343/a346 fleets. Althought the a346 replacement is a bit further in the future as IB's a346's are quite new.

Quoting 1peter (Reply 13):
the level of service offered by IB

I've flown IB short haul frequently and other than the ever present delays, I never had any issues with onboard service and service on the ground. I have of course heard the complaints about IB's long haul onboard service, but can't comment on that myself.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

If one follow the path set by AF/KL merger, I won't be so positive on standarization issues like fleet, service level, cabins, etc.

I haven't flown KL for many years but if for the comments in this and other forums, the general impression is that KL has become a second tier airline of AirFrance.

If finally comes across I hope IB/BA merger means imrovement for both parties, it will be sad for IB to become BA's second tier after the effort they have put over the last few years on improving the overall flying experience (IMO still far below BA's one).



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User currently offlineKelual From Spain, joined Jul 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13018 times:

Obviously there's a lot of missinformation about IB at present. IB has changed a lot in the las year and a half...

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

Hey guys, from the BA staff intranet:

- A new company to be formed to hold the shares of BA/IB.

- Both to keep their own brands and responsibility of running their own day-to-day ops.

- Holding company to have a combined balance sheet and executive representation from both airlines.

- Type of merger under consideration is an 'all share merger' meaning no airline wll make payment for the other.

- A merger would create the worlds third largest airline in terms of income (more than 16.5B euros) and the fifth largest fleet (450 aircraft).

- It is anticipated merger talks will take several months to conclude.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12958 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 18):
I haven't flown KL for many years but if for the comments in this and other forums, the general impression is that KL has become a second tier airline of AirFrance.

This is not exactly true. First of all, KL contributes a larger part of the profit than AF. KL's CEO Peter Hartman made a point of, ehh.., pointing it out during the presentation of the '07-'08 yearly numbers. Hardly second tier.
Second, KL serves a different market than AF, with much less premium traffic. This is reflected in their fleet. KL has no first class for example. That doesn't make it a second tier airline to AF. It just reflects the different markets both serve.



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User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12894 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 21):
It just reflects the different markets both serve.

Indeed! That's why BA and IB need different products as well.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

A press conference started at 14:00 at the Intercontinental Hotel here in Madrid. Fernando Conte and Willie Walsh will hopefully provide detailed information about this merger.

Saludos



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12859 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 21):
This is not exactly true

It's your opinion against the one I feel from so many people in different internet forums.

Anyway, this thread is not about AF/KL but BA/IB so I wish their merge follows a different path.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12839 times:

As per article on Flight:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...irways-iberia-in-merger-talks.html

Quote:
British Airways, Iberia in merger talks

Oneworld carriers British Airways and Iberia have announced they are holding talks with a view to an all-share merger between the two companies.

In a statement the two airlines say negotiations are supported unanimously by the boards of both companies. They expect talks to take several months. Under the plan the two carrier brands would be retained as part of a combined group.



User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3393 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13325 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 21):
This is not exactly true. First of all, KL contributes a larger part of the profit than AF. KL's CEO Peter Hartman made a point of, ehh.., pointing it out during the presentation of the '07-'08 yearly numbers. Hardly second tier.
Second, KL serves a different market than AF, with much less premium traffic. This is reflected in their fleet. KL has no first class for example. That doesn't make it a second tier airline to AF. It just reflects the different markets both serve.

and KL washes their planes occasionally too!


25 CityofAthens : Indeed; with a normally strong US market and emerging markets in Latin America, this would appear to be a good opportunity for both companies - each a
26 Richardw : Just imagine the cabin crew skill sharing sessions, IB demonstrating the art of walking the full length of a full A321 ignoring all passengers and BA
27 UPPERDECKFAN : I think BA would keep GRU and MEX since they are the highest yield markets in LatAm so I'd say BA would not like to force their premium customers to
28 UAL777UK : No surprises here and it looks to be a perfect fit, i hope it comes off. Cannot say on past experience I rate IB but with BA I am sure they can only p
29 Post contains images Jamesontheroad : That's a shame...
30 CityofAthens : Very good But knowing what Brits and Spanish are like, that would please no one
31 Shuggie : As pointed out by other members in previous threads it would be virtually impossible for a US carrier to merge with an airline outside of the USA due
32 Nighthawk : should that not be IBARIA ?
33 JAL : This should enhance OneWorld's competetiveness, this and the propose tie-up with American will help!
34 DeltaL1011man : It was never on. It is illegal. Is this with DL/NW together?
35 Charliecossie : British Iberian Airways, which would be known as BIA. That should wake up a few of the crinklies. Including me.....
36 Post contains links Zarniwoop : One thing that surprised are the the facts (I don't know how accurate they are) about BA and Iberia on the BBC news website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h
37 Post contains images Andaman : Add Finnair to this OW package and you get BIAF [Edited 2008-07-29 09:31:30]
38 Sketty222 : Im fully aware that its highly improbable that any US airline would be able to merge with an EU one. I was one of the people that contributed to prev
39 JACK02116 : According to the BBC this is the current position:- BA acquired a 9% stake in Iberia in 1999 and recently increased its holding to 13.2%. Iberia rece
40 Yellowtail : I doubt it....KL hasn't stopped serving SXM, IAH, JFK, GRU etc etc because AF does too. If the route is reasonably profitable it will stay. However y
41 Kelual : Iberia announced that they already own a 10% of BA as a first step: 3% in shares and 7% in call options (options to buy). That is correct JACK02116. I
42 LHR27C : Sorry but that's incorrect. BA were certainly the most profitable airline in Europe in 2006, and with their record profits announced earlier this yea
43 Caribillo : Knowing that IB will own the 40% of the mergered Vueling/Clickair, the future Company owner of IB/BA will have almost half of a LCC. Will the new Vuel
44 Bullpitt : Hi all Are you sure of these figures? No offence I'm just very surprised I thought BA carried more paps.
45 Kelual : LHR27C please read my statement carefully, i said that IB has been in positive numbers, that means profits, for the last 12 years continiously. I'm so
46 VV701 : I think it means a very different route structure. For example I think that BA is more of a long haul airline and IB a short haul airline. It seems p
47 VV701 : BA posted pre-tax profits of £883 million (Euros 1,121 million) for 2007-08. I believe IB's net profits were Euros 328 million. The delicate part of
48 Post contains images CityofAthens : I am dreaming of exchange opportunities where I could work on Iberia's flights to LatAm for 6 months, an IB colleague could take my position and fly t
49 LHR27C : If you mean by "IB... has proven to be the most profitable European airline for the past 12 years" that IB has generally over that time period shown
50 R2rho : This airline merger makes all the sense in the world (unlike soo many others that have been attempted). Their routes are 100% complementary, with BA l
51 UPPERDECKFAN : I can buy that they want cheap and on time, I can buy onboard service is below the first two, but no way I can believe onboard service is "last" on p
52 OA260 : Listening to the news tonight it sounds like a done deal.
53 GatoVolador : Yes, but this is only because the operation was "secret" and if you reach a 3% you are obliged to say it to the SEC of both countries. Indeed, they h
54 IAD380 : Too bad IB gave up its BCN hub. For European and Mediterranean destinations, it would be asset for BA-IB. BCN would help BA-IB compete against AF-KL a
55 PM : BA take SN and LH take SK. Easy! No-one. They let it sink. Air One take over as Italy's national airline and get into bed with LH. Malev is oneworld
56 Asturias : oh boy.. This is by far the least interesting future I could have foreseen for Iberia. This is no merger, but the creation of a holding company. This
57 VV701 : I still think that BA is more of a long haul airline while IB is more of a short haul airline. As far as I know the IB long haul fleet comprises 18 A
58 UPPERDECKFAN : As GatoVolador says, it's not a matter of number of aircrafts, it's where you get most of your profits and IB as well as BA do get most of its profit
59 IBERIA747 : Currently there are 21 A343s (EC-KCL/KOU/KSE operated by Gestair) and 12 A346s (EC-JOH was written off). At least 3 more brand new A346s (some people
60 Wolflair : Well, I bet the decided that course of action in order to avoid raising a political issue regarding foreign ownership in the airline industry. Spania
61 BCAL : A merger between BA and IB has, as many posters have already pointed out, been on the cards for a while but are the two airlines really suited to be p
62 Humberside : Im sure there was talk of LH being interested in SN Aegean are already LH partners so will probably end up heading in their direction Aer Lingus will
63 EUROBUS : BA/Iberia - vital statistics Aircraft: 154 -- 109 Destinations: 245 -- 198 Annual passengers (2007/08): 33M -- 32M Daily flights: 760 -- 1.000 Employe
64 CityofAthens : Well, to be fair, the reason for the BA/IB business is to make money more easily - and nothing else.
65 Shamrock_747 : BA's longhaul fleet have a lower capacity than most major airlines, due to significantly larger premium cabins. For example, 747-436 (Hi-J) with less
66 Bullpitt : hi all Figures shown in todays El Mundo IB 32,5M BA 41,96 M which figures are correct? Nevertheless the figures are impressive. by the way I think one
67 Kelual : IB most profitable route is not MAD-BCN, it is indeed very important as all passangers pay full fare, every single one, no discount rates... The money
68 Talaier : We'll see how things work out but I very much doubt that IB's shareholders are going to give in to BA. It's going to be a merger between equals, as ha
69 CityofAthens : I am not sure why some people here are of the opinion that BA somehow considers Iberia a second-rate airline. I can assure you that that is not the op
70 Aisak : That only applies to Puente Aéreo (Air shuttle) service. IB has also other services linking MAD and BCN. IB26xx flights are regular flights with the
71 Talaier : That's exactly what I mentioned in my post: BA's board is well aware of the size and power of IB. That's why a new company is going to be created. IB
72 R2rho : I guess you would have to know in what context this was stated before saying this is true or false. There are different ways of representing profits,
73 Baexecutive : AND? I think this is the best thing to happen to Iberia, BA has owned part of the airline since 1999 therefore have a sound knowledge of the business
74 Talaier : Oh, so IB, which has been flying for over 80 years now has no experience whatsoever in the "business"??? Now that is surprising. There are many thing
75 RTFM : I think that he meant that BA have nearly 10 years of experience of IB as a business, having been working with them since then.....
76 Baexecutive : LHR collapsed....I'm sorry when did that happen? BINGO
77 Talaier : Even though they owned part of it, they kept themselves quite distant from the day-to-day operations. BA was kicked into IB when IB was privatised so
78 Post contains links R2rho : According to several Spanish press reports, it seems that IB went into the offensive and started the process. In may/june, IB secretly bought the 2.99
79 AirNZ : Yes, I'd be inclined to agree with you there. Certainly I haven't seen them actually involved in any of IB's operations whatever.
80 Bullpitt : hi all some people seem to forget that IB now owns over 2% of BA and have options for another 8% (aprox figues) and that Caja Madrid will be the bigge
81 Post contains links Baexecutive : Can you please provide your sources (in English please) for all these 'pearls of wisdom' Thanks Caja Madrid? Where are you getting this from? Anyway,
82 Asturias : If there was a merger, but there isn't a merger. It just so happens that the same people will own both airlines. Will they merge later? Who knows. Th
83 EUROBUS : Sorry, but again British is not the only spoken language. R2rho has mentioned Spanish press and has added a link to a lead to interesting information
84 Baexecutive : Yes but this is an International site and if you read the rules of the forum, all posts must be in English. I agree
85 VV701 : Apparently these reports are either unaware that BA first purchased AA's IB equity stake last year and then bought an additional 28,745,767 IB shares
86 Baexecutive : Sense at last!
87 Aisak : It's sort of a soap opera. BA and AA settled a holding to buy 10% of Iberia. BA owned 90% and AA the other 10% of the holding. I think "British Airwa
88 AirNZ : Why do you expect there to be a source in English....it's from a Spanish newspaper? In case you didn't notice, his post was entirely in English!!!!!!
89 GatoVolador : The source is "El Mundo" (only in Spanish), which is a reliable source quoting some directors of the airline. I'd like to post something in English b
90 Baexecutive : Thanks for that, its like war and peace lol
91 EUROBUS : Gato, that was very very interesting. Much appreciate your time in putting that information together ...in the Royal English! BTW, is your second nam
92 Humberside : Small point but London Stock Exchange rules allow for 30% of a business to be bought before a takeover offer is required, not 25%[Edited 2008-08-01 0
93 GatoVolador : Thank you. This is a limit imposed by the law of the EU but the States can make it more restrictive. In Spain it's a 25% if I'm not mistaken, and in
94 VV701 : It is very difficult to argue with many points you make because there is no evidence in the public domain to support or refute them except what I quo
95 GatoVolador : I think that maybe some journalists mixed things. Caja Madrid bought the stake of BBVA and Logista because both shareholders needed to leave the comp
96 BlueShamu330s : As an observer and not a contributor to this thread, may I say thank you to everyone who has posted, especially the likes of GatoVolador and VV701. It
97 VV701 : I see no "nationalist" idea or action from either Caja Madrid or Iberia apart, as I said before, that Caja Madrid was anxious, primarily for what I s
98 R2rho : This is actually a translation issue: "colapsado" in Spanish can mean physically collapsed as in English (for a building) or it can mean something li
99 VV701 : Yet at that time BA was wise enough to hedge over 60 per cent of its 2008 fuel needs at the equivalent of $86 a barrel. So somebody somewhere in the
100 Talaier : About the "collapsed" issue, as R2rho pointed out, it's me translating incorrectly from Spanish into English. I thought you could speak about an infr
101 CityofAthens : Oh yes. 50% of what is being written might as well be Dutch to me (I never studied Business or Economics, though that should change soon), but it's b
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