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EY's A380 Order For 10 More Frames?  
User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4251 times:

I just read the press release about EK's first delivered A380 here and was a bit flattened by the last sentence:

Quoting Airbus:
To date, total orders and commitments for the A380 stand at 202 aircraft from 17 customers.

That looks to me as if the Etihad order at Farnborough was for 10 more frames rather than for 10 frames including the 4 ordered before as my calculations would give only 198 frames ordered in total. However, if they were not included, 202 looks like the right number  Smile.
Sorry if posted before, but couldn't find anything!


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4235 times:



Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):
That looks to me as if the Etihad order at Farnborough was for 10 more frames rather than for 10 frames including the 4 ordered before as my calculations would give only 198 frames ordered in total.

That's odd, because Leahy himself said that the 4 originally ordered were replaced by this order. So a total for 6 more. Kinda looks like an error in the press release.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3947 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4228 times:

Grupo Marsans has an outstanding commitment for 4 airframes - taking it to 202 orders and commitments.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4230 times:

I don't think so as the direct question was asked during that press conf - and the chap from EY confirmed that the total A380s that they had on order was 10.


HOWEVER............... there are only currently 16 customers identified for the A380 with 198 orders between them - it can't be that Groupo Marsans has actually firmed thier order for 4 can it? I seriously doubt this - maybe this is another new customer for 4 ?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4164 times:

Post 159 in this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...viation/read.main/4059503/#menu151

might support the conclusion that two of us have jumped to here - If it's true Air Plus Comet is going to have a huge fleet!


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4148 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 2):
Grupo Marsans has an outstanding commitment for 4 airframes - taking it to 202 orders and commitments.

DUH!!! Of course... nicely spotted Moo!!!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3947 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4136 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):

HOWEVER............... there are only currently 16 customers identified for the A380 with 198 orders between them - it can't be that Groupo Marsans has actually firmed thier order for 4 can it? I seriously doubt this - maybe this is another new customer for 4 ?

No, the phrase at the end of the press release highlighted in the thread starter says specifically 'total orders and commitments' - Marsans order is a commitment atm, so it all adds up fine.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4122 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 6):
No, the phrase at the end of the press release highlighted in the thread starter says specifically 'total orders and commitments' - Marsans order is a commitment atm, so it all adds up fine.

Boo - in my haste I hadn't read it properly - if JL is still mentioning this order, they must be pretty hopeful of getting it signed at some point in the future.


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4122 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 2):
Grupo Marsans has an outstanding commitment for 4 airframes - taking it to 202 orders and commitments.

You're right, seems like I got enthusiastic a bit too early and overlooked the and commitments. Furthermore, I thought the AR order was gone with all that hazzle around Grupo Marsans and Aerolinas Argentinas. Hopefully that order will get firmed...



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12142 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Hmmm, isn't a MOU (Memo of UNDERSTANDING) simply a deposit on a production slot, while a LOI (Letter of INTENT) includes this and an intent to place the firm order within XX months, or years?

So a LOI is a commitment, an order is firm, and a MOU is simply a reservation?

I don't think JL has any one of these. They may be talking to Airbus, and Boeing to get the price they want for new A-380-800s or B-747-8Is.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 8):
Furthermore, I thought the AR order was gone with all that hazzle around Grupo Marsans and Aerolinas Argentinas.

Correct.

By my numbers, Airbus has firm orders, or committments for 198 A-380s.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Sorry by JL I was referring to John Leahey not Japan Airlines!

As far as Groupo Marsans the link that I posted earlier links to a news report suggesting that despite their disposal of AR they are still looking at keeping their commitment to the big Airbus order - when it gets firmed is anyone's gues though!


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3947 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3792 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
Hmmm, isn't a MOU (Memo of UNDERSTANDING) simply a deposit on a production slot, while a LOI (Letter of INTENT) includes this and an intent to place the firm order within XX months, or years?

So a LOI is a commitment, an order is firm, and a MOU is simply a reservation?

And LoI and MoU can mean anything the parties signing it want it to mean - its a contract-like document, with terms and conditions, and every LoI and MoU is different.

From Wikipedia (I hate myself for doing this, I rarely quote Wikipedia on anything, but hey):

Quote:

A LOI may also be referred to as a memorandum of understanding (MOU), term sheet or discussion sheet. Although the terms refer to different documents, the differences are often formal in nature, reflecting different drafting styles or business customs, not a substantive difference in what these various documents accomplish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_intent

Quote:

In private U.S. law, MoU is a common synonym for a letter of intent (LoI).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoU

Airbus are well within their rights to count either as a commitment.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
By my numbers, Airbus has firm orders, or committments for 198 A-380s.

And by Airbuses numbers, they have 202 firm orders and commitments.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9097 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):
That looks to me as if the Etihad order at Farnborough was for 10 more frames rather than for 10 frames including the 4 ordered before as my calculations would give only 198 frames ordered in total.

No 10 firm total.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
By my numbers, Airbus has firm orders, or committments for 198 A-380s.

Incorrect, 202, "Total: 202 (198 firm orders and 4 commitments) from 17 Customers"

The Airbus list http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...t_file_A380_orders_commitments.pdf



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